Current Events > China continues with its Genocide of the Uighur population

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https://twitter.com/jchengwsj/status/1277474627644620800

Their muslim population is already tiny I think. Isn't China like 90% Han, and the rest mostly Tibetans?

Genocide in any of it's forms is the utmost atrocity.

I'm outraged but I really don't think the US has the right to cast the first stone on this issue considering it's own dabbling in the practice.

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What is China's justification for its limited children policy anyway?

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I wonder how long it will be before a certain someone graces us with their presence and tells us this is necessary?

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Too bad most countries won't dare to criticize China if they want to maintain a business relationship.

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Geiki Ganger posted...

Too bad most countries won't dare to criticize China if they want to maintain a business relationship.

Are you kidding? China is criticized constantly by everyone. What actually happens is nobody puts their money where their mouth is because constituents and corporate interests enjoy cheap manufacturing.

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Doe posted...

Are you kidding? China is criticized constantly by everyone. What actually happens is nobody puts their money where their mouth is because constituents and corporate interests enjoy cheap manufacturing.

China isn't criticized by most people who have the power to actually do anything about it.

It's criticized mostly by random people on the internet who aren't worrying about being fired or that their family will go missing or they're not legally allowed to ride the bus anymore because of something they said about China online.

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Doe posted...

What is China's justification for its limited children policy anyway?

They have something like 1.5 billion people. Imagine five times as many people as America fit into an area around the size of just the continental United States. And then roughly 25% of that landmass is desert. Plus I believe they did away with the one child policy a number of years ago and are now allowed two children. They realized that only allowing one child when Chinese society prizes boys ended up with a whole generation of young men who most of which will never get married from the gender numbers being completely fucked up.

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The_Creep_2020 posted...

I wonder how long it will be before a certain someone graces us with their presence and tells us this is necessary?

I remember when a poster (I think he's banned) tried justifying Ethiopian women being sterilized in Israel, and considering his poor view of Muslims, I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to justify this too.

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boxington posted...

I remember when a poster (I think he's banned) tried justifying Ethiopian women being sterilized in Israel, and considering his poor view of Muslims, I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to justify this too.

That is just repugnant. Absolutely unspeakable.

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oh yea, it was The Admiral

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There are a couple posters here who either directly or indirectly express support for the CCP, so they likely support this too. I think they're just "leftists" (read fascists who wear red) who don't care about any actual leftist policies as long as you have the right decor. Put up some red, a hammer, and a cycle and they'll line up to lick boots.

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I've been posting anti CCP stuff on my Wechat for the past week or so. I'll definitely never be able to enter or fly through China again. I'm definitely going to be exit banned (not just for the posts) which means if I ever enter China again, they'll let me enter but won't let me leave.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

Genocide in any of it's forms is the utmost atrocity.

CE often justifies it when it's japan or america

https://outriserjapan.wordpress.com/2019/12/25/cultural-genocide-and-ryukyuan-people/

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What has happened to me: A testimony of a Uyghur woman https://imgur.com/gallery/5yL0uwx

Anecdotal, but nonetheless horrible
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MuayThai85 posted...

I've been posting anti CCP stuff on my Wechat for the past week or so. I'll definitely never be able to enter or fly through China again. I'm definitely going to be exit banned (not just for the posts) which means if I ever enter China again, they'll let me enter but won't let me leave.

Why would you post that stuff on WeChat? Whenever I want to talk about anything controversial I just tell them to get on VPN and we use LINE.

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ModLogic posted...

CE often justifies it when it's japan or america

https://outriserjapan.wordpress.com/2019/12/25/cultural-genocide-and-ryukyuan-people/

Quite. Well I noticed you trimmed the part of my post where I said the US had no moral ground to stand on.

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teepan95 posted...

What has happened to me: A testimony of a Uyghur woman https://imgur.com/gallery/5yL0uwx

Anecdotal, but nonetheless horrible

Tbh, I believe the story 100%. No doubt in my mind that this stuff happens regularly there.

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ModLogic posted...

CE often justifies it when it's japan or america

https://outriserjapan.wordpress.com/2019/12/25/cultural-genocide-and-ryukyuan-people/

There are people who support genocide in other countries? Or do you mean they say, we can't do anything about an event that happened in the past? Also why some random dude's opinion piece instead of posting actual information on the situation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryukyuan_people#Modern_history

The treatment before and during WWII is deplorable and the locals remember it and have memorials to it. The current position of the government is to promote Ryukyu culture, but much like the situation of indigenous people throughout the world the damage from the past is so extensive it is largely too late.

Your Whataboutism is great and all for trying to distract people, but it doesn't relate to the situation going on in China right now.

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ssjevot posted...

Why would you post that stuff on WeChat? Whenever I want to talk about anything controversial I just tell them to get on VPN and we use LINE.

I left my job on very bad terms. I will never return to China. Because I outed my boss on his illegal working practices, he will file a bogus lawsuit (said so already) and I will be found guilty automatically. Figured I might as well go all out. I have numerous parents of my students as contacts there including multiple cops and an officer in the PLA. This stuff will make my boss look even worse. They'll eventually block my account but I don't care.

I'll be sharing that story of the Uyghur woman next.

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MuayThai85 posted...

teepan95 posted...

What has happened to me: A testimony of a Uyghur woman https://imgur.com/gallery/5yL0uwx

Anecdotal, but nonetheless horrible

Tbh, I believe the story 100%. No doubt in my mind that this stuff happens regularly there.

As do I, but I wanted full disclosure
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ssjevot posted...

There are people who support genocide in other countries? Or do you mean they say, we can't do anything about an event that happened in the past? Also why some random dude's opinion piece instead of posting actual information on the situation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryukyuan_people#Modern_history

The treatment before and during WWII is deplorable and the locals remember it and have memorials to it. The current position of the government is to promote Ryukyu culture, but much like the situation of indigenous people throughout the world the damage from the past is so extensive it is largely too late.

Your Whataboutism is great and all for trying to distract people, but it doesn't relate to the situation going on in China right now.

yea refusing to recognize their minority status so that US bases can continue to operate on their land is made all ok with some memorials erected.

https://minorityrights.org/minorities/ryukyuans-okinawans/

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ModLogic posted...

yea refusing to recognize their minority status so that US bases can continue to operate on their land is made all ok with some memorials erected.

https://minorityrights.org/minorities/ryukyuans-okinawans/

When did this topic become about Japan? China is actively practicing genocide as we speak.

No offense but Japan isn't the only country to shit on indigenous people either.

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ModLogic posted...

yea refusing to recognize their minority status so that US bases can continue to operate on their land is made all ok with some memorials erected.

https://minorityrights.org/minorities/ryukyuans-okinawans/

They have an active independence movement legally allowed. It's really not comparable to the situation in China, and it's irrelevant to talking about it. I'm not here to defend what the Japanese or US did, but since the Okinawan people are currently legally allowed to elect their own government and have an independence movement (sadly currently being funded by the Chinese government, who wants to take over Okinawa) it isn't relevant to the discussion about China. There is no comparing them.

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guess you're right about that. china recognizes uighurs as an ethnic minority whereas japan refuses to acknowledge ryukyuans as a minority.

Coercive and discriminatory measures against the Rykyan cultures and languages have in a sense continued to this day. Educational materials for use in public schools continue to be silent on the topic of the Rykyans as indigenous communities with their own languages, cultures and traditions. The assimilation into mainstream Japanese language and culture has been especially thorough amongst younger generations in Okinawa, though less so in outlying islands.
The culture and traditional lands of Rykyans continue to be threatened by the denial of the right to free, prior and informed consent in policymaking, especially concerning the expansion of US military bases in Okinawa an issue that is perceived as a form of discrimination against the indigenous population.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

Genocide in any of it's forms is the utmost atrocity.

I'm outraged but I really don't think the US has the right to cast the first stone on this issue considering it's own dabbling in the practice.

Uh, what genocide are we up to now?

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Doe posted...

What is China's justification for its limited children policy anyway?

the one child policy has been lifted years ago.
instead of limiting the population, they now moved to aggressive policy to (financially) colonise other countries so the new generation of Chinese will flood those countries instead.

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Guide posted...

Uh, what genocide are we up to now?

Well I'm glad you are able to find light about the subject. People die of this sort of extreme thought everywhere in the world. There is plenty of information available for you too do your own research if you find yourself so inclined.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

Well I'm glad you are able to find light about the subject. People die of this sort of extreme thought everywhere in the world. There is plenty of information available for you too do your own research if you find yourself so inclined.

Yes, that's true of everything. I just want to know, from you, what genocide USA is on right now. Point me in a direction. I am all too aware of our many fuckups, but I don't know what genocide you mean.

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teepan95 posted...

What has happened to me: A testimony of a Uyghur woman https://imgur.com/gallery/5yL0uwx

Anecdotal, but nonetheless horrible

The fact that they harass people even outside the country, not political figures or powerful people but random civilians who are Uyghur, is terrifying.

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Guide posted...

Yes, that's true of everything. I just want to know, from you, what genocide USA is on right now. Point me in a direction. I am all too aware of our many fuckups, but I don't know what genocide you mean.

We are currently putting children in concentration camps, and keep losing 1500 of them at a time.

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ModLogic posted...

guess you're right about that. china recognizes uighurs as an ethnic minority whereas japan refuses to acknowledge ryukyuans as a minority.

Uyghurs are not allowed to practice their own culture, vote, or even discuss independence. They're rounded up and put in camps, sterilized, etc. I have no interest in your English language materials regarding the Ryukyu people because they're not relevant to the current situation and the people of Okinawa get to vote for their own government and set their own policies. There is media both at the government and private level available in their language and active promotion of their culture at both the private and government level.

Because governments did bad things in the past, doesn't mean it's okay for China to do bad things now. That doesn't make any sense. That's why Whataboutism is considered a fallacy. You can't just say "it's okay for this country to do genocide, because other countries have too!". That's not a moral stance any more than saying it's okay for you to murder people because other people have also murdered people.

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ssjevot posted...

Uyghurs are not allowed to practice their own culture, vote, or even discuss independence. They're rounded up and put in camps, sterilized, etc. I have no interest in your English language materials regarding the Ryukyu people because they're not relevant to the current situation and the people of Okinawa get to vote for their own government and set their own policies. There is media both at the government and private level available in their language and active promotion of their culture at both the private and government level.

Because governments did bad things in the past, doesn't mean it's okay for China to do bad things now. That doesn't make any sense. That's why Whataboutism is considered a fallacy. You can't just say "it's okay for this country to do genocide, because other countries have too!". That's not a moral stance any more than saying it's okay for you to murder people because other people have also murdered people.

there's nothing wrong with the link i posted just because its not painting a picture of japan the way you want. Japan's cultural genocide of the ryukuyuans is ongoing, they are invisible becuase people like you trivialze and dimiss them.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/05/27/national/social-issues/okinawan-activist-fights-rights-indigenous-ryukyuans-u-n-forum/


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Trying to derail a topic about an active violent genocide is pretty disgusting

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ModLogic posted...

there's nothing wrong with the link i posted just because its not painting a picture of japan the way you want. Japan's cultural genocide of the ryukuyuans is ongoing, they are invisible becuase people like you trivialze and dimiss them.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/05/27/national/social-issues/okinawan-activist-fights-rights-indigenous-ryukyuans-u-n-forum/

Alright, let's say the genocide happening in Okinawa isn't just as bad as the one in China. It's worse. It the worst genocide happening in the world. So please make a topic about it and let us know in this topic how you feel about the genocides happening in China.

And personally I have nothing but respect for Okinawa and its people, feel sad about their past, and support them in determining whatever they want (even if they voted for independence I would support that, and hope for the best for them dealing with the PRC). For the record I don't like the current Japanese government, so I'm not sure what way you think I want it painted. But anyway, we'll say it's the worst genocide rather than argue about it and you should make a topic to raise awareness, now please let us know how you feel about the one happening in China that this topic is about now.

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Statical_Ork posted...

We are currently putting children in concentration camps, and keep losing 1500 of them at a time.

citation needed of people killing 1500 children at a clip.


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I think people are whatabouting this to test out if you actually care about Uighurs or just hate China lol

lurk posted...

I think people are whatabouting this to test out if you actually care about Uighurs or just hate China lol

Government is not the people. I know Mandarin, most of my future in-laws live there, I was there until I evacuated Wuhan in February. I live in Japan because it's the best place for both me and my fiancee for our safety and freedom. Chinese people didn't get to choose their own government and don't have free access to information that isn't government propaganda, so it's a lot harder to blame the people for the bad things the government does than say the US.

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