Current Events > How did Blizzard fuck up Overwatch so bad?

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DeadSite posted...

Overwatch died because of GOATs and even if the 2/2/2 DPS critique with the "pro players having sway in the meta" comment was true for "killing Overwatch" then why did the reigning MVP quit the game before the year was over?

idk, a bunch of pros left for valorant and then came back within like 2 weeks?

OW didnt die because of GOATS, ranks below master werent even running GOATS all the time while it was meta, I was still getting a bunch of dive and 3 dps comps in diamond back then

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I just played for an hour.
The game is fine.
Probably more balanced than ever, honestly.

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MadDewg posted...

and the role queue wait times.

I have zero wait time when I play. And I truly mean zero. If you select tank and support then you're in a match instantly.

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BeyondWalls posted...

I have zero wait time when I play. And I truly mean zero. If you select tank and support then you're in a match instantly.

No one wants to try other roles though. They would rather quit the game than try another role or wait 10 minutes

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Whats the benefit of playing role queue quick play over arcade classic quick play?

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Maeiv posted...

Whats the benefit of playing role queue quick play over arcade classic quick play?

You get healers and tanks?

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DepreceV2 posted...

You get healers and tanks?

this mostly lol

but really I still get 2/2/2 at least half the time in QP classic. The 3+ dps games can actually be a fun diversion as long as the dps arent all shit

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winning streak makes you play against Grandmasters and puts new players on your team.
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...

winning streak makes you play against Grandmasters and puts new players on your team.

That was removed years ago lol

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Tank is also frequently a thankless job at our ranks. They rely pretty heavily on teamwork to play effectively.

EffectAndCause posted...

I dont get it. I just bought this a month ago and am loving it.

I had it on PS4 got rid of my 4 and got it on Switch. I don't see anything wrong with it. I do end up with people using Widow, Macree or Sombra and are terrible with them majority of the time it's a guaranteed loss.


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EffectAndCause posted...

I dont get it. I just bought this a month ago and am loving it.

The people who hate this game don't actually play it.

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it's still fun to play every now and again but playing it constantly gets tiring and frustrating

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Drug_Smoker posted...

The people who hate this game don't actually play it.

Yes, people who hate games typically don't continue playing it.

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I don't really understand their basis for deciding on balance changes anyway.

A few months back they tested a change to Moira where she could essentially fade out of any situation. Obviously a massive buff to her. But they halted it and immediately nerfed her healing and DPS. And they've kept nerfing her since.

So they first figured she needed a buff, but then immediately did a 180 and decided she needed several nerfs
What's the logic?

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BeyondWalls posted...

I have zero wait time when I play. And I truly mean zero. If you select tank and support then you're in a match instantly.

...which does me all of jack-shit of good since blizzard split the roles into their own seperate placement matches and SR brackets, =/ I am a career diamond+high plat player using a dps hero, mainly pharah, reaper, and soldier 76 (but flexing to support or tank when needed) for the 17 seasons or so before role queue came along, so going with a dps hero at first is what I am used to. I really don't care for having to do placements three times.

Like, I like the ability to flex that classic open queing brings, but there isn't a good way to stop your team going like, 5 dps heroes without a role queue type of system in place.

Actually, I would be fine with the current role queue system if the game doesn't need to take 15 or more damn minutes to put you in a game for picking dps. I can pick a game with a much, much larger community like call of duty and get in games instantly, but overwatch needs to take damn near 20 minutes each time, for picking a certain role? MMR these nuts, something isn't up with the system.

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For me, I had just played enough. I played the game for like 400 hours (without ever improving in skill lol) and eventually I wasn't having as much fun and the annoying shit was twice as annoying. I certainly got my money's worth and had a great time the majority of those 400 hours.

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LanHikari10 posted...

I don't really understand their basis for deciding on balance changes anyway.

A few months back they tested a change to Moira where she could essentially fade out of any situation. Obviously a massive buff to her. But they halted it and immediately nerfed her healing and DPS. And they've kept nerfing her since.

So they first figured she needed a buff, but then immediately did a 180 and decided she needed several nerfs
What's the logic?

It feels like all of the support heroes not named Brigette are fucking useless now; last time I played, gold healing looked like 20k, now youre lucky to hit like 13, and theyre all defenseless. Its stupid. Its the worst possible approach to balancing, where they knock everything down to compensate for the weakest links instead of buffing up the crap.

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Statical_Ork posted...

It feels like all of the support heroes not named Brigette are fucking useless now; last time I played, gold healing looked like 20k, now youre lucky to hit like 13, and theyre all defenseless. Its stupid. Its the worst possible approach to balancing, where they knock everything down to compensate for the weakest links instead of buffing up the crap.

Blizzard just released a patch today nerfing Brigs into the cement

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I wanted to see something with a plotline from Overwatch, the trailers got my attention but as far as I know in-game never capitalized on the world they built.

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Maeiv posted...

Blizzard just released a patch today nerfing Brigs into the cement

Oh for fucks sake

a game where every class sucks isnt fun lol

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Blizzard's obsession with chasing e-sports. The 2-2-2 queue system is terrible for people who just want to jump in a game and have fun. Letting people pick whoever they want and switch out after a death with a 1 character in use per team limit was great for casual play.

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MadDewg posted...

...which does me all of jack-shit of good since blizzard split the roles into their own seperate placement matches and SR brackets, =/ I am a career diamond+high plat player using a dps hero, mainly pharah, reaper, and soldier 76 (but flexing to support or tank when needed) for the 17 seasons or so before role queue came along, so going with a dps hero at first is what I am used to. I really don't care for having to do placements three times.

Like, I like the ability to flex that classic open queing brings, but there isn't a good way to stop your team going like, 5 dps heroes without a role queue type of system in place.

Actually, I would be fine with the current role queue system if the game doesn't need to take 15 or more damn minutes to put you in a game for picking dps. I can pick a game with a much, much larger community like call of duty and get in games instantly, but overwatch needs to take damn near 20 minutes each time, for picking a certain role? MMR these nuts, something isn't up with the system.

dps queues are so long because people want to play dps more than tank/support. This is evident by all the 3-6dps games you end up with outside role queue

and even before role queue, if you picked a tank/healer at the beginning of the match thats basically what you were stuck with, cause the dps were never gonna switch off. Might as well have been queueing just to tank or heal instead of dps

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Maeiv posted...

Blizzard just released a patch today nerfing Brigs into the cement

lmao

This game has really gone downhill.

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It's a game that's as old as TF2 and somehow has less content.
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I mained healer and tank. Problem with those classes is theyre team reliant and most of them arent fun to play, even somewhat for class mains. Then, they keep adding DPS characters to the game. I cant imagine how long DPS queues last.

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Alpha218 posted...

I mained healer and tank. Problem with those classes is theyre team reliant and most of them arent fun to play, even somewhat for class mains. Then, they keep adding DPS characters to the game. I cant imagine how long DPS queues last.

15+ minutes.

And I'd much rather play healer than tank. If your team is ass you can dps a bit with a healer, but if you're main tank you're completely reliant on your team.

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half the characters are dps, but only 1/3 of your team can play as dps. Thats the biggest problem. Role queue shouldnt exist, and it DEFINITELY shouldnt exist when the character roster wasnt designed to have the roles spread evenly between tank/healer/damage. The offense/defense categories were misleading, but they could have just reconfigured them to damage/specialist instead of lumping them all into dps, then creating role queue.

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Honestly, I don't understand why there are two healers. It should be 2 Tanks, 3 DPS, 1 Healer. But I guess that would make characters like Zen utterly pointless.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Honestly, I don't understand why there are two healers. It should be 2 Tanks, 3 DPS, 1 Healer. But I guess that would make characters like Zen utterly pointless.

Try playing healer against three DPS and tell me how that goes.

Also lol at people complaining about brig nerfs, please uninstall.

I think one healer would not work. It definitely makes their job much more stressful, especially with an uncoordinated team thatll be quick to blame the healer.

YellowSUV posted...

The 2-2-2 queue system is terrible for people who just want to jump in a game and have fun.

I disagree. The teams are much more balanced now than in the old days of where it was 6 DPS and every man for himself.

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There used to be a 3 tank meta iirc. 2-2-2 just stifles team diversity

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BeyondWalls posted...

I disagree. The teams are much more balanced now than in the old days of where it was 6 DPS and every man for himself.

Back in my day, we only had one Medic! Maybe a Dispenser. And everyone would spam the E key, or learn the med pack locations.

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is mercy still nerfed to hell and back

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SSJGrimReaper posted...

is mercy nerfed to hell and back

Mercy has been darn near useless since the end of the moth meta
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too many ways to instantly die now. Like seriously fuck gauntlet

And role queueing ruined the game imo. Sure theres quickplay but its not the same

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They had a lot of practice fucking things up with wow

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Mercy has been darn near useless since the end of the moth meta

good

all of the hate for that hero is justified

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Is it just me, or is Bastion still as op as ever?

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Rika_Furude posted...

gauntlet

Hm?

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Overwatch died because of OWL honestly.

squarion posted...

Is it just me, or is Bastion still as op as ever?

Bastion has pretty much been forever broken. In low MMR he is broken good because it takes knowledge and team work to kill him. In high MMR he is broken bad as everyone knows how to easily take out immobile heroes.

The only time he really fit in high level competitive was the long standing bunker comps after GOATs was eliminated. But through shield nerfs that is no longer a thing.

So to answer your question, if you know how to kill Bastion he is incredibly weak.

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squarion posted...

Is it just me, or is Bastion still as op as ever?

The only time Bastion was ever really OP was when they overtuned his damage reduction passive for a couple weeks
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at least thx tot he role queue means less games lost because our team doesnt have a single tank to help push the payload

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squarion posted...

Is it just me, or is Bastion still as op as ever?

Hes been getting buffed this year. For some reason.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Mercy has been darn near useless since the end of the moth meta

I've compared my stats between Mercy and Moira. There's almost zero point in picking Mercy as far as I can tell. In quick play I average like 1,500 boosted damage and that's highly dependent on the team. However with Moira I average well over 2,500 damage, guaranteed. You might be thinking, "oh, a DPS Moira." Well, no. I'm not. In fact, my average healing for Moira was also about 800 points higher. That little fact blew my mind. Because it feels like I'm healing more as Mercy, but nope.

So why pick Mercy at all? You lose damage and you don't heal as much. If you're really far from the spawn then rez'ing teammates can make a difference. But I've even found that highly debatable because it's super easy to kick Mercy out of the Rez process just by bumping her (and even unsuccessful rezs trigger the cooldown timer.) I've also noticed that most people died too far toward the enemy to be successfully rez'd and the person you do rez is usually unprepared for it and dies soon after anyway. The most successful rezs seem to occur when you're already beating the other team back and they just score a lucky kill.

In short, Mercy is never going to drag a losing team out of the shit.

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ApherosyLove posted...

Hm?

Literally just completely invincible and can basically teleport and 1hko any non-tank and even weaker tanks like zarya

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Rika_Furude posted...

Literally just completely invincible and can basically teleport and 1hko any non-tank and even weaker tanks like zarya

I'm more confused as to why you're calling Doomfist "gauntlet."

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