Current Events > "Black people kill other black people at a much high rate

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than cops do"

So that makes it okay for people who should be protecting and serving to kill black people?

Do you guys on the right ever think?

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We are saying that, according to statistics, only 9 unarmed black people were killed by cops last year (Or 13 if you include some others who have questionable weapons). 48+ cops were killed last year, and I dont know the number, but WAY more than 9 white people were killed by cops last year.

Our argument is, why the protests only when it fits a narrative? Meanwhile, Chicago is breaking records every weekend with black on black crime.

Statistics man, they dont lie, nor follow agendas. Thats the rights argument.

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puppy posted...

*fart noise*

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...and that right there is my point, statistics either bore people, or it isnt emotional enough.

Protests need emotions to sustain, and so the cycle of lies continue. Meanwhile, this spike of Covid certainly isnt from the protests. Those morons at the beach, however...

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puppy posted...

We are saying that, according to statistics, only 9 unarmed black people were killed by cops last year (Or 13 if you include some others who have questionable weapons). 48+ cops were killed last year, and I dont know the number, but WAY more than 9 white people were killed by cops last year.

Our argument is, why the protests only when it fits a narrative? Meanwhile, Chicago is breaking records every weekend with black on black crime.

Statistics man, they dont lie, nor follow agendas. Thats the rights argument.

You bringing up "statistics" is just like saying it's okay for police to kill because black people do it at a higher rate.

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puppy posted...

*fart noises intensify*

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The difference is in the former, the killer will be arrested, tried, and punished.

In the latter, the killer will be given a paid vacation.
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puppy posted...

We are saying that, according to statistics, only 9 unarmed black people were killed by cops last year (Or 13 if you include some others who have questionable weapons). 48+ cops were killed last year, and I dont know the number, but WAY more than 9 white people were killed by cops last year.

Our argument is, why the protests only when it fits a narrative? Meanwhile, Chicago is breaking records every weekend with black on black crime.

Statistics man, they dont lie, nor follow agendas. Thats the rights argument.

Because one is state sanctioned murder and the other is not. Quit fucking dog whistling.

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The black on black crime non argument boils down to: you guys kill each other all the time so why can't we kill you too? Same BS as using the N word really.

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the protests aren't just about black people dying from the police, but also police brutality, which has been a deep-seated issue in black communities since before the abolishment of slavery

people are pissed because what happened to Floyd, Garner, etc. have been happening for generations, and are trying to elicit some kinda change.

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Explain to me what statistic justifies a police officer drop kicking an innocent person or kneeling on their neck until they die even though they arent resisting

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I love the argument of "Why aren't they protesting black-on-black crime!" as if that hasn't been a central issue community leaders in black neighborhoods haven't been dealing with for years.

Even then, people would still have the opinion of those protests as they do about BLM protests. "If they get in my way, I'm running them down!" or use it as further proof that black people are somehow more violent since white-on-white violence doesn't need to be protested.

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What does the right have to say about white on white murder/rape etc?

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puppy posted...

We are saying that, according to statistics, only 9 unarmed black people were killed by cops last year (Or 13 if you include some others who have questionable weapons). 48+ cops were killed last year, and I dont know the number, but WAY more than 9 white people were killed by cops last year.

Our argument is, why the protests only when it fits a narrative? Meanwhile, Chicago is breaking records every weekend with black on black crime.

Statistics man, they dont lie, nor follow agendas. Thats the rights argument.

The reason for the protests is that black people make up a disproportionately high amount of the police shootings despite only being 13% of the population.

As well as having worse conditions, outcomes, and responses in every area of the criminal justice system. Longer sentences for the same crime, more cops in predominately black communities, lack of resources when seeking representation/bail/etc., worse treatment in prisons, harsher punishments in school, and a lot more.

AsianFury2020 posted...

What does the right have to say about white on white murder/rape etc?

A good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun.

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All good fucking points in this topic, but the right still spouts their racist rhetoric.

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I feel like the fact that police are trained and given authority by the govt to do this while random black people aren't adds an important subtext to the conversation

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puppy posted...

We are saying that, according to statistics, only 9 unarmed black people were killed by cops last year (Or 13 if you include some others who have questionable weapons). 48+ cops were killed last year, and I dont know the number, but WAY more than 9 white people were killed by cops last year.

Our argument is, why the protests only when it fits a narrative? Meanwhile, Chicago is breaking records every weekend with black on black crime.

Statistics man, they dont lie, nor follow agendas. Thats the rights argument.

What narrative are you talking about, though? Cops should be held to a higher standard, right? Like, what are you comparing the stats to, exactly?

And for that matter, what is the context for the stats you bring up? For example, how come you don't bring up that unarmed black people are far more likely to be shot to death than unarmed white people?

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Well.. yea. 2 wrongs make a right, and 3 rights make a left.

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puppy posted...

We are saying that, according to statistics, only 9 unarmed black people were killed by cops last year (Or 13 if you include some others who have questionable weapons). 48+ cops were killed last year, and I dont know the number, but WAY more than 9 white people were killed by cops last year.

Our argument is, why the protests only when it fits a narrative? Meanwhile, Chicago is breaking records every weekend with black on black crime.

Statistics man, they dont lie, nor follow agendas. Thats the rights argument.

So you want those white people to keep being killed by cops too? Is that the argument? The cops are doing just fine since they're killing white people too?

Unless you're not against the defunding of the police. I'll take it back if that's the case.

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Looks like puppy has a guppy sized brain.
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It should've just been about police/criminal justice reform, when they said black lives it left more holes than Swiss cheese

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

So you want those white people to keep being killed by cops too? Is that the argument? The cops are doing just fine since they're killing white people too?

Unless you're not against the defunding of the police. I'll take it back if that's the case.

The right just doesn't get it. Cops get away with assaulting and harassing white people too. If we hold them accountable that stops too.

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Well, I tried. Emotions are just too damn high in this country for logic to come home and have some dinner.

Formulating an opinion using statistics is racist, according to most here. If thats the case, then why take statistics at all? Usually people write down statistics to see what is happening, and change things with those statistics.

Have black people been mistreated over the years? Yes, but again, it was emotion that poured millions out on to the street during a pandemic, not logic.

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DarkProto05 posted...

You bringing up "statistics" is just like saying it's okay for police to kill because black people do it at a higher rate.

I think the point is that there are statistically larger issues with violence in this country than unarmed black men being killed by the police. No one is saying any of it is "okay"

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ThanksUglyGod posted...

The reason for the protests is that black people make up a disproportionately high amount of the police shootings despite only being 13% of the population.

As well as having worse conditions, outcomes, and responses in every area of the criminal justice system. Longer sentences for the same crime, more cops in predominately black communities, lack of resources when seeking representation/bail/etc., worse treatment in prisons, harsher punishments in school, and a lot more.

As I have stated before, population can't be used. You have to use interactions with police because there are people of all races that never interact with police.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I think the point is that there are statistically larger issues with violence in this country than unarmed black men being killed by the police. No one is saying any of it is "okay"

The people who bring up said statistics rarely ever want to acknowledge reasons for why those statistics are what they are, though. They only bring up these statistics to try to deflect from other issues.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I think the point is that there are statistically larger issues with violence in this country than unarmed black men being killed by the police. No one is saying any of it is "okay"

Thank you. Logic has saved the day, I just missed that point.

Anyways, I apologize to anyone who was offended, I really just meant to say that statistics just arent with protestors. Maybe Im wrong though...

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puppy posted...

Well, I tried. Emotions are just too damn high in this country for logic to come home and have some dinner.

There's nothing emotional in the expectation that police should be held accountable for their actions

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

There's nothing emotional in the expectation that police should be held accountable for their actions

I agree, they, along with politicians, judges, etc. The criminal justice system needs some changes. But to march millions during a pandemic? No accountability, and the media just ignored it, until the protests ended and they could blame Joe Businessowner or Karen McSupermarket again.

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puppy posted...

Well, I tried. Emotions are just too damn high in this country for logic to come home and have some dinner.

Formulating an opinion using statistics is racist, according to most here. If thats the case, then why take statistics at all? Usually people write down statistics to see what is happening, and change things with those statistics.

Have black people been mistreated over the years? Yes, but again, it was emotion that poured millions out on to the street during a pandemic, not logic.

I don't understand. Black people have been targeted by the state for 400 years, and now we have the statistics to back it up. Of course people are going to get emotional.

>Black people use and sell drugs less than white people
>4x more likely to be stopped

loOk At Da sTaTs GuYS

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So the poor need to keep being killed by the cops, the same cops that help create an environment where people have their backs against the wall 24/7? You basically are supporting people being herded and executed.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I think the point is that there are statistically larger issues with violence in this country than unarmed black men being killed by the police. No one is saying any of it is "okay"

You're missing the point.

People are protesting that cops get away with murder. Those gangsters in Chicago don't get acquitted of murder. There is no need for a picket sign that says "jail those black guys for murdering" because they get what they deserve.

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DarkProto05 posted...

You're missing the point.

People are protesting that cops get away with murder. Those gangsters in Chicago don't get acquitted of murder. There is no need for a picket sign that says "jail those black guys for murdering" because they get what they deserve.

This assumes they even get caught. What shirts did Max B and Jim Jones wear 15 years ago? What did Project Pat ask other black people to do?

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Clearly murder is only bad when cops do it

thrashmetal14 posted...

Clearly murder is only bad when cops do it

Show me where in the topic anyone said that.

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thrashmetal14 posted...

Clearly murder is only bad when cops do it

It's actually only okay when cops do it. Everyone else who murders gets what they deserve.

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CableZL posted...

The people who bring up said statistics rarely ever want to acknowledge reasons for why those statistics are what they are, though. They only bring up these statistics to try to deflect from other issues.

Sure, but plenty of people on the left would rather put their head in the sand and not have that discussion either.

Which to me, is the biggest problem we currently have with the discussion of what it means to be black in America today. Large segments from both sides are unwilling to have an honest conversation about a lot of issues in black american communities, including interactions with law enforcement.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Large segments from both sides are unwilling to have an honest conversation about a lot of issues in black american communities, including interactions with law enforcement

What do you think the issues with the interactions are?


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puppy posted...

We are saying that, according to statistics, only 9 unarmed black people were killed by cops last year (Or 13 if you include some others who have questionable weapons). 48+ cops were killed last year, and I dont know the number, but WAY more than 9 white people were killed by cops last year.

Our argument is, why the protests only when it fits a narrative? Meanwhile, Chicago is breaking records every weekend with black on black crime.

Statistics man, they dont lie, nor follow agendas. Thats the rights argument.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Sure, but plenty of people on the left would rather put their head in the sand and not have that discussion either.

I bring it up in basically every topic about this on this board

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DarkProto05 posted...

You're missing the point.

People are protesting that cops get away with murder. Those gangsters in Chicago don't get acquitted of murder. There is no need for a picket sign that says "jail those black guys for murdering" because they get what they deserve.

I don't think anyone whose opinion is worth much doesn't think cops who kill someone with excessive force should face consequences for that.

Take george floyd for example, I've seen absolutely no one stand up for that cop outside of faceless users on the internet.

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I'm all for the idea of BLM but you better believe all the white liberals won't be headed to the neighborhoods where blacks are dying daily to help.

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I wonder what some people believe others should do when the same bullshit continues to happen.

oh, it's statistically more probable for me to fall into an open sewer than be the victim of police brutality? thank you for the perspective!

Solid Snake07 posted...

Sure, but plenty of people on the left would rather put their head in the sand and not have that discussion either.

Which to me, is the biggest problem we currently have with the discussion of what it means to be black in America today. Large segments from both sides are unwilling to have an honest conversation about a lot of issues in black american communities, including interactions with law enforcement.

I'm tired of this "both sides" rhetoric.

so black people have a responsibility to have an open dialogue with law enforcement for brutalizing them throughout the history of this country?

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im not 13 posted...

What do you think the issues with the interactions are?

Poverty, crime, and issues with police are all interconnected.

Black people in this country are poorer. Poorer neighborhoods have higher crime. Neighborhoods with higher crime have higher rates of interactions with law enforcement. None of these things are happening in a vacuum.

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WSM Piru posted...

The black on black crime non argument boils down to: you guys kill each other all the time so why can't we kill you too? Same BS as using the N word really.

The argument is more that there's a disproportionate amount of news coverage and overall faux outrage over it than what the actual events should warrant. Where's the protest marches when a white person is killed by a black cop? Or when a black cop is killed by a latinx person?

Where are the cries for reform and refunding the police when a white cop kills a white person? There isn't any, because it isn't sensationalist enough and you can't harp on timeless griefs like "racism" for it. Not to say there aren't racist cops out there of course, but I can guarantee there's more people of any race or nationality that hate cops more than there are racist cops.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Sure, but plenty of people on the left would rather put their head in the sand and not have that discussion either.

Which to me, is the biggest problem we currently have with the discussion of what it means to be black in America today. Large segments from both sides are unwilling to have an honest conversation about a lot of issues in black american communities, including interactions with law enforcement.

Historically, black people trying to bring up the underlying issues causing these statistics has been met with an outright refusal to listen, deflection, and/or gaslighting.

Every race is much more likely to commit crimes against people of the same race.

Three of the biggest root issues of crime are poverty, desperation, and greed. Then there's the fact that people are most likely to commit crimes against people around them.

If one took an honest look at the history of the United States, one would understand that there are generational problems caused by slavery, the Jim Crow era, segregation, red lining, genocidal incidents like the Tulsa race massacre, Rosewood, etc. that have kept the black community disproportionately poorer than other communities.

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