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After playing those games synthesis seems like the only proper way to end out the story when the story is all about coming together and how organics and synthetics and neither is bad or wrong. Plus learning the reapers are simply indoctrinated themselves. I cant murder them and my allies. Also edis entire story has her trying to be more like the humans so synthesis is perfect. Also it makes talis life better and shes the best friend.

i did a replay recently so Im curious what people here think. I think most people do destroy but feel like destroy is kind of dumb

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It feels like the happiest of the endings to me. Anything else felt like hypocrisy for a Paragon, bringing peace to the galaxy and understanding between organic and synthetic life only to enslave or destroy.

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That still makes no sense when nothing is preventing you from creating more A.I and other machines.


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apocalyptic_4 posted...

That still makes no sense when nothing is preventing you from creating more A.I and other machines.

Potentially continuing the cycle of misunderstanding, fear and hatred.

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apocalyptic_4 posted...

That still makes no sense when nothing is preventing you from creating more A.I and other machines.

Its still a risk. Shepard asks if there will be peace and catalyst tells him the cycle will end

that isnt a promise or a yes

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Synthesis felt like such a cop out to me.

I usually picked the destroy option when you have enough assets. I think Bioware confirmed that Shepard is still alive in that case and i want him to be reunited with his Quarian love.

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Synthesis and the refusal endings are the worst choices, and synthesis is just letting the reapers win.

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Synthesis was just... too fucking weird and out of the left field. Like, all those mutated husks just suddenly becoming sentient... are they just gonna live amongst the rest of galactic society now? Lol ok then.

Destroy honestly feels like the only "realistic" ending.

Also you really should have put spoilers in the title.

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jackgunney posted...

Synthesis felt like such a cop out to me.

I usually picked the destroy option when you have enough assets. I think Bioware confirmed that Shepard is still alive in that case and i want him to be reunited with his Quarian love.

But synthesis makes her life better? But honestly shepard living is a cop out to me. Youre up there doing these crazy things, he should die its just better.

Sictis posted...

Synthesis was just... too fucking weird and out of the left field. Like, all those mutated husks just suddenly becoming sentient... are they just gonna live amongst the rest of galactic society now? Lol ok then.

maybe. Honestly I bet that there would be some racism against them.

Destroy honestly feels like the only "realistic" ending.

Also you really should have put spoilers in the title.

imaginr a world post destroy

synthetics are remade and its the same shit

post synthesis?

we know there wont be peace forever so its exciting and new

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I should have but Im not worried because I did talk directly about the ending so nobody will not expect ending discussion

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The Synthesis ending was morally reprehensible, and it's shocking that it's held up as the "good" ending.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

The Synthesis ending was morally reprehensible, and it's shocking that it's held up as the "good" ending.

"I finally brought peace and understanding to the Quarians and Geth, and recognized their sentience so they can have a fresh start on their homeworld...time to kill them all."

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I don't think there really is a good ending.

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

The Synthesis ending was morally reprehensible, and it's shocking that it's held up as the "good" ending.

You dont change anyones personality so who cares

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

The Synthesis ending was morally reprehensible, and it's shocking that it's held up as the "good" ending.

I could not agree more.

All the endings are complete shit.

People who dont like synthesis cant even back it up like people who can are doing. Wow how sad

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Indoctrination theory (seems true to me but if it ain't idc) suggests that's a bad ending

So to me destroying them was the good ending

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Control is the only ending that isn't horrifyingly unethical.

Screw killing the Geth. The Geth are bros.
And how the eff are you gonna change all life in the galaxy with nobody's consent?

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

The Synthesis ending was morally reprehensible, and it's shocking that it's held up as the "good" ending.

It really only the good ending for quarians and geth.

Which is why I think it's on okay ending for Talimancers. Kinda like a parting gift to her. >__>

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Smackems posted...

Indoctrination theory (seems true to me but if it ain't idc) suggests that's a bad ending

So to me destroying them was the good ending

that theory is dumb as fuck. Yes Shepard is fighting indoctrination
no the ending isnt all faked

aside from devs saying this before, its got nothing going for it except claiming Saren wants to synthesis but he doesnt because Saren accepts being a slave and Shepard doesnt

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Indoctrination theory still the best ending

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SpaghettiCookie posted...

that theory is dumb as fuck. Yes Shepard is fighting indoctrination
no the ending isnt all faked

aside from devs saying this before, its got nothing going for it except claiming Saren wants to synthesis but he doesnt because Saren accepts being a slave and Shepard doesnt

K. There's plenty of evidence of it out there if people wanna look into it. That's the best ending to me so I'll just stick with it, you do you

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Control is a bad ending as it essentially says "The Illusive Man was right" making the conflict with him pointless.

Synthesis is a bad ending as it essentially says "Saren was right" making the conflict with him pointless.

Which makes Destroy the only reasonable ending. Finish your mission.

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Its only upsetting because it makes no sense since we know the catalyst isnt lying and its really just people trying to justify genocide

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Mentioning this theory (which makes the ending so much fuckin cooler than what we got if you take it at face value) really gets panties in a bunch

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Control is a bad ending as it essentially says "The Illusive Man was right" making the conflict with him pointless.

Synthesis is a bad ending as it essentially says "Saren was right" making the conflict with him pointless.

why do destroy/murder fans say this? Saren was a willing slave who gave himself up to be a slave.
shelard doesnt accept those terms and kills the catalyst along with himself, but sets everyone free.

Saren put Reapers in charge and allowed them to continue the cycle as they wish, with Turians as Keepers (organic slaves)

shepard our everyone as equals, and has no cycle and no control. The cycle is ended and catalyst cant promise peace, Shepard cant either, because neither is the leader anymore everyone is free. Free to make mistakes and start wars as well.
thats the opposite of Saren.

Which makes Destroy the only reasonable ending. Finish your mission.

mission = end the cycle

destroy doesnt as AI is going to be remade when humanity dies out

synthesis ends the cycle once and for all. It doesnt end all war, but the cycle is over.

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Control is a bad ending as it essentially says "The Illusive Man was right" making the conflict with him pointless.

He was right either way. Glowy Kid confirms, when they're talking about the Control ending.

Shepard: So the Illusive Man was right afterall.
Glowy Kid: Yes, but he could never have taken control, because we controlled him.

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Control is only a bad ending if you think shepherds life outweighs the rest of the galaxy or your shepherd is a bad guy.

DuranOfForcena posted...

it doesn't make anything cooler. it turns the already shitty endings into a straight-up non ending. "it was all a dream" is about the stupidest kind of ending that exists in any storytelling medium, period.

I disagree

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I don't feel like forcing the entire galaxy to being entirely different beings than they were without any say is even remotely reasonable enough to be a choice to consider.

It's also the ending that is most so just straight up magic with no sensible explanation of advanced technology possible.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

I don't feel like forcing the entire galaxy to being entirely different beings than they were without any say is even remotely reasonable enough to be a choice to consider.

they arent any different in any real way

same people same culture same personality

It's also the ending that is most so just straight up magic with no sensible explanation of advanced technology possible.

nanobots. Reapers do crazier shit


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SpaghettiCookie posted...

they arent any different in any real way

same people same culture same personality

You dont know that.
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Shepherd dies overlooking earth with Anderson, the end.

Change my mind.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

You dont know that.

Seeing as the catalyst cant promise peace we know we dont have control over them which tells us in universe that personality will be intact

seeing as the extended cut shows is the people crying and mourning and cheering in the same ways we know they are themselves out of universe

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Funkydog posted...

Shepherd dies overlooking earth with Anderson, the end.

Change my mind.

I choose synthesis but the Citadel funny dlc takes place right after Shepard jumps into the beam, when the beam first Hits and begins killing him he goes into a state of shock, and as hes dying he dreams up a crazy, hilarious, fun scenario with his best friends.

at the end, everyone returns to the Normandy. He overlooks the citadel, only to fade into nothing as the synthesis waves are released and the galaxy is saved.

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Where did the nanobots come from

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SpaghettiCookie posted...

Seeing as the catalyst cant promise peace we know we dont have control over them which tells us in universe that personality will be intact

seeing as the extended cut shows is the people crying and mourning and cheering in the same ways we know they are themselves out of universe

Your examples of things that happens do not lead directly to your conclusion without your own assumptions added in.
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SpaghettiCookie posted...

I choose synthesis but the Citadel funny dlc takes place right after Shepard jumps into the beam, when the beam first Hits and begins killing him he goes into a state of shock, and as hes dying he dreams up a crazy, hilarious, fun scenario with his best friends.

at the end, everyone returns to the Normandy. He overlooks the citadel, only to fade into nothing as the synthesis waves are released and the galaxy is saved.

What makes you better than the reapers forcing their way of "saving people" on everyone then?

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RetsuZaiZen posted...

Where did the nanobots come from

Ask Mordin. He did the same thing with gen phage.

DeadBankerDream posted...

Your examples of things that happens do not lead directly to your conclusion without your own assumptions added in.

how does shooting a tank of explosive liquid kill reapers? All endings require faith.

Funkydog posted...

What makes you better than the reapers forcing their way of "saving people" on everyone then?

Mine isnt forced people put me in the spot to be able to do this and asked me to represent them
up there

but also reapers end lifes to preserve dna. I save lives and let them continue to live.

also your quarrel is with catalyst. Catalyst is the one forcing stuff on people. Catalyst controls reapers since they are first made. They are just slaves.

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SpaghettiCookie posted...

Mine isnt forced people put me in the spot to be able to do this and asked me to represent them
up there

but also reapers end lifes to preserve dna. I save lives and let them continue to live.

also your quarrel is with catalyst. Catalyst is the one forcing stuff on people. Catalyst controls reapers since they are first made. They are just slaves.

Yes you are forcing this on people. People are expecting you to kill/deal with the reapers. Not "change them entirely" so the reapers no longer go on their genocidal march. It isn't a thought in anyone's mind as a solution to the problem, so to claim you have permission to do it because you are leading the charge to end the reaper threat isn't good.

And sure, the issue is with the catalyst as well, but also the one actually performing the act.

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Funkydog posted...

Yes you are forcing this on people. People are expecting you to kill/deal with the reapers. Not "change them entirely" so the reapers no longer go on their genocidal march. It isn't a thought in anyone's mind as a solution to the problem, so to claim you have permission to do it because you are leading the charge to end the reaper threat isn't good.

people asked me to end the cycle. Thats what synthesis does once and for all

and it doesnt change people. They are the same before and after.

And sure, the issue is with the catalyst as well, but also the one actually performing the act.

they dont have free will or any options, given choice they wouldnt do it.

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Mordin never turned synthetics into organics and vice versa.....

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He spread shit through the air that altered dna to cure an incurable disease though.

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SpaghettiCookie posted...

and it doesnt change people. They are the same before and after.

So it does nothing and the reapers will continue doing their thing?

SpaghettiCookie posted...

they dont have free will or any options, given choice they wouldnt do it.

Doesn't change that it's happening and you're deciding to change people in a way no one ever imagined or consented to.

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I remember being mad being I picked Synthesis because I had no idea it was a multiple choice thing. I just went for the portal in the middle of the room. I wanted the destroy ending.

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Funkydog posted...

Shepherd dies overlooking earth with Anderson, the end.

Change my mind.

This would have been for the best. Instead of the incredibly shitty writing with Deus Ex Machina Star Brat scene, just cut straight to credits or ending slides.