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Zodd3224
06/15/20 12:03:50 AM
#51:


Solid Snake07 posted...
He clearly turns to point the taser at the officer while he's running and maybe even fired it, which sadly cost him his life.

You can sit here and play Monday morning quarterback all you want and say it wasn't a lethal threat but all of this goes by in the blink of an eye when you're involved. This man was drunk, had already not only fought officers but wrestled a weapon away from them, then turned to aim that weapon at them while fleeing.

I agree that it's sad this man had to die over a god damn dui, but there's no gross misconduct here. It's a tragic series of events that shouldnt have escalated to the point that it did.

He was literally still running away from them as the cop was shooting at him. There is no justification for shots being fired at a fleeing subject unless he is firing a gun at you while he is running. If the taser is that much of a threat to you call in backup and if he gets away you pick him up in the morning and charge him with DUI and assaulting police officers. But you dont shoot him, thats insanity.

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Solid Snake07
06/15/20 12:23:16 AM
#52:


Zodd3224 posted...
He was literally still running away from them as the cop was shooting at him. There is no justification for shots being fired at a fleeing subject unless he is firing a gun at you while he is running. If the taser is that much of a threat to you call in backup and if he gets away you pick him up in the morning and charge him with DUI and assaulting police officers. But you dont shoot him, thats insanity.


You are critisizing a life and death split second decision from behind a keyboard after pondering what happened in retrospection for atleast, I would assume, a few minutes of thought before coming to a conclusion.

You can make an arguement that he made the wrong decision. Im not saying you're wrong. Hell, he might even think he made the wrong decision. You're not taking into account the perspective of having to make that call on the spot so fast that it's more instinct than judgement.

They got to that point because this escalated WAAAY further than it should have. And while I don't want to speak ill of a dead man, this guy 100% was the one who escalated it to that point. These cops were pretty professional and polite to him the entire half hour leading up to placing him under arrest and the incident that followed. He instantly flipped the swich that lead to what happened when they tried to cuff him. That doesn't mean he deserved to die, but it does mean he held a majority of the blame for how events transpired.

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troll_swag
06/15/20 12:25:05 AM
#53:


Solid Snake07 posted...
You are critisizing a life and death split second decision from behind a keyboard after pondering what happened in retrospection for atleast, I would assume, a few minutes of thought before coming to a conclusion.

You can make an arguement that he made the wrong decision. Im not saying you're wrong. Hell, he might even think he made the wrong decision. You're not taking into account the perspective of having to make that call on the spot so fast that it's more instinct than judgement.

They got to that point because this escalated WAAAY further than it should have. And while I don't want to speak ill of a dead man, this guy 100% was the one who escalated it to that point. These cops were pretty professional and polite to him the entire half hour leading up to placing him under arrest and the incident that followed. He instantly flipped the swich that lead to what happened when they tried to cuff him. That doesn't mean he deserved to die, but it does mean he held a majority of the blame for how events transpired.
No ones life was in danger tho

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Zodd3224
06/15/20 12:28:11 AM
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Who is to blame is irrelevant. You don't shoot you gun at a subject that is trying to flee that isnt shooting at you. There is no split decision that has to be made. They searched him. They knew he had no weapons other than the taser he got from one of them. He was running away. Your brain at that point should be saying either "let him go and call backup or my partner and I chase him down together" but at no point should the officers gun ever come into the equation at that point. He isn't fit to be a cop and a life was lost because of it. Say what you want about the criminal, he didn't deserve to be shot for a DUI, resisting arrest, and attempting to flee.

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Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:29:35 AM
#55:


zinezinzadan posted...
I dont understand why the officer was fired. In their employee contract it clearly states that you are allowed to neutralize a threat at all costs if you are being attacked. The officers were being attacked, on camera, with video evidence.... This is the grey area where I, a BLM supporter, start to lose respect for some individuals when I read the comments on social media.

A couple of posts from the other topic:

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
A good comparison:

I remember when people were mocking that 15 second clip of the UK polie backing away from a dude with a knife and everyone laughed at them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmTNZfR4dNw

Hell look at the comments, people are still angry and laughing that the police didn't shoot him.

Note that the footage cuts at 15 seconds because moments later the police then arrested him and no one was hurt. That man is still alive in prison.

The idea of "The man is potentially dangerous therefore it's okay to kill him" is following the letter rather than the spirit of the law.

Police have the authority to kill people if they need too. It's not supposed to be a blanket statement of "Oh boy, now you get to get away with doing it if you want too!" it's not a privliege, it's a protection.

That's why people are upset. You're going "But the letter of the law says the police are allowed to kill him. Therefore it's okay that they killed him. They would have looked silly if they didn't kill him and then just arrested him or something." and that upsets people because you've lost the point of what any of this is supposed to be.


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country

Specifically we'll be looking at deaths per 10 million people, so we can get a feel for the company that the US shares

As a baseline, in the US, cops kill 46.6 per 10 million (2019). How do the countries with similar numbers compare?

Democratic Republic of the Congo: 47.8 (2018)
Iraq: 45.1 (2019)
Nigeria: 44.0 (2018)
Kenya: 43.5 (2018)

Well that's weird, those aren't typically the countries you see associated with America. Let's check in on our brothers and sisters in Europe

Germany: 1.3 (2018)
France: 3.8 (2018)
U.K.: 0.5 (2018)

Hmm.

Their "luck" seems to be paying off. It seems like Every first world country except America is "lucky" and countries facing unrest, civil wars, terrorism and an unstable governments are "unlucky."

Unlucky England has a knife crime problem and yet almost 1% of the amount of police killings the US has.

Also says it all that you can't justify why. Just saying "They are dumb"

Hell you didn't respond to anything else I said either

The question becomes what do you WANT?

Do you want the police to uphold the law at all costs no matter what. Regardless of the what the law is or the circumstances or the consequences.

Or do you want the police to try to make society a better and safer place by protecting and serving the people.

Because you are right. Legally the cops are allowed to kill any perp who has a weapon no matter the circumstances. The law has to be written that way to protect cops. But it's not in the interests of society for police to use that protection as a priviledge to just kill anyone they are allowed too. They should have some skill and training to handle situations with least amount of bloodshed and death as possible.


Whether or not the actions are legal are not always the point. A cop can kill anyone who has a weapon, that doesn't mean that they SHOULD. That's a law for desperation, not an excuse.

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Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:31:09 AM
#56:


Solid Snake07 posted...


You are critisizing a life and death split second decision from behind a keyboard after pondering what happened in retrospection for atleast, I would assume, a few minutes of thought before coming to a conclusion.

You can make an arguement that he made the wrong decision. Im not saying you're wrong. Hell, he might even think he made the wrong decision. You're not taking into account the perspective of having to make that call on the spot so fast that it's more instinct than judgement.

They got to that point because this escalated WAAAY further than it should have. And while I don't want to speak ill of a dead man, this guy 100% was the one who escalated it to that point. These cops were pretty professional and polite to him the entire half hour leading up to placing him under arrest and the incident that followed. He instantly flipped the swich that lead to what happened when they tried to cuff him. That doesn't mean he deserved to die, but it does mean he held a majority of the blame for how events transpired.

This is flat out false, there a number of screw ups the cops made along the way that resulted in this. Saying the perp 100% escalated it just encourages more bad cops.

Basic descalation concepts were ignored.

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Solid Snake07
06/15/20 12:33:31 AM
#57:


This isn't about him "deserving to be shot". It's about him 100% being at fault for the series of events that transpired in a matter of seconds that lead to him being shot.

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Zodd3224
06/15/20 12:35:32 AM
#58:


Solid Snake07 posted...
This isn't about him "deserving to be shot". It's about him 100% being at fault for the series of events that transpired in a matter of seconds that lead to him being shot.

I really hope this is shitposting.

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Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:37:59 AM
#59:


Solid Snake07 posted...
This isn't about him "deserving to be shot". It's about him 100% being at fault for the series of events that transpired in a matter of seconds that lead to him being shot.

That's poor logic though.

The police didn't have to shoot him and screwed up repeatedly.

Yeah he was a criminal, no one is denying that but going "Well he caused the series of events for police to screw up over and over and over and over an then not know how to handle themselves. Therefore it's not the cops' fault they are incompotent" is insane.

Yes in almost every case of police fuck ups the perp caused the situation in which the police messed up.


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Solid Snake07
06/15/20 12:41:22 AM
#60:


Zodd3224 posted...
I really hope this is shitposting.


No, it's not. But if you want act like an immature asshole about it I'm just gonna let it rest, I've said my piece.

It sucks that something trivial had to turn out this way. But there was no gross misconduct here.

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Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:42:29 AM
#61:


Solid Snake07 posted...


No, it's not. But if you want act like an immature a****** about it I'm just gonna let it rest, I've said my piece.

Your piece is poorly thought out and has no logic or reason behind it. It also encourages bad policing and death



It sucks that something trivial had to turn out this way. But there was no gross misconduct here.

Actually there was plenty. but sad to see you don't think shooting people in the back and not knowing how to do your job is misconduct.

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zinezinzadan
06/15/20 12:50:33 AM
#62:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Your piece is poorly thought out and has no logic or reason behind it. It also encourages bad policing and death

Actually there was plenty. but sad to see you don't think shooting people in the back and not knowing how to do your job is misconduct.

At this point I can tell youre just trolling. I dont know why its so difficult for you to understand that the suspect was in the wrong here.

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Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 1:01:30 AM
#63:


No one is denying that the suspect was in the wrong.

Being "in the wrong" shouldn't result in a death sentence and the cops fucked up repeatedly for reasons you keep intentionally ignoring.

That's why he was fired and that's why people are upset.

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troll_swag
06/15/20 1:06:13 AM
#64:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
No one is denying that the suspect was in the wrong.

Being "in the wrong" shouldn't result in a death sentence and the cops fucked up repeatedly for reasons you keep intentionally ignoring.

That's why he was fired and that's why people are upset.
Dont bother. They believe that criticizing the police is kin to trying to absolve the criminal. Theyre lack the critical thinking skills to realize that you can criticize both parties while still remaining objective.

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Wasssup Now
06/15/20 1:21:36 AM
#65:


Zero_Destroyer posted...
Is a tazer a lethal weapon?

Pretty sure in court it falls into can cause serious bodily harm etc. This guy made a really bad decision. I don't agree with the cop killing him but he was going to spend most if not all his life in prison for this
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zinezinzadan
06/15/20 1:27:29 AM
#66:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
No one is denying that the suspect was in the wrong.

Being "in the wrong" shouldn't result in a death sentence and the cops fucked up repeatedly for reasons you keep intentionally ignoring.

That's why he was fired and that's why people are upset.

Im not ignoring; thats just where we disagree... The officer doesnt know if the suspect will come back running for him... When the police see violent behavior, they feel that an individual is a threat to the community. Theyre probably scared that the suspect will come back and gang up on the cops. Technically they take a risk by letting the suspect go.

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KaZooo
06/15/20 1:34:05 AM
#67:


zinezinzadan posted...
the suspect will come back and gang up on the cops


"bro I just got tazed while drunk and asleep. Let's find those armed cops although I was too drunk and tired to see their badges. We'll triangulate their watch region and analyze their shift patterns. Once that's calculated, let's jump them!"

All while protestors and rioters can readily burn the precinct down.

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Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 1:35:53 AM
#68:


zinezinzadan posted...


Im not ignoring; thats just where we disagree...
"It's okay for cops to be incompetent and brutalize or kill people if they commited a crime" is not something you can just "disagree" on

Decades of this is why people are protesting right now

zinezinzadan posted...
The officer doesnt know if the suspect will come back running for him... When the police see violent behavior, they feel that an individual is a threat to the community. Theyre probably scared that the suspect will come back and gang up on the cops. Technically they take a risk by letting the suspect go.

  1. that's after the cops have already screwed up
  2. "Well he might be a risk potentially in the future so therefore we have to shoot him in the back now" is not acceptable. Hell by that logic we need to kill the cop who got fired because he shoots people in the back and as such might be a risk in the future.
It's not even coherant.

It's not reasonable for police to kill people unless they have no choice. This is redoubled for situations they created due to incompetence

You're arguing in favor of a complete authortatian police state with no accountability, restraint or skills. That's not a good idea or anything most people are going to accept.

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Foppe
06/15/20 1:38:14 AM
#69:


The police uses the taser as a non-lethal alternative.
You must be closer than 10 feet and it is a single-use weapon. Yes, you can reload them but if you grabbed it from a cop then you will only have one shot.
A drunk man that have used a taser and is running away is not a threat.
He is a criminal, yes, but not a threat that needs to be killed.

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Tmaster148
06/15/20 1:47:03 AM
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Murdering a citizen fleeing is fair grounds to be fired. Honestly dude deserves to be charged and sentenced to jail for it.

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zinezinzadan
06/15/20 8:34:28 AM
#71:


Okay well Im glad none of you are cops. Because nobody would ever get arrested. Id be walking amongst criminals and rapists at every corner because no one is ever getting arrested Hell if thats the police force, we might as well not even have one. Im paying tax someone for useless cops? That lets criminals go? Thank god youre not in charge. I would never run from the police, because I dont want to get shot.... I dont know where many people missed this part.

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Billy__Beane
06/15/20 8:46:53 AM
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I am in 100% agreement with @zinezinzadan

Too many people here are basement dwellers who don't understand the intensity of these situations in real-time.
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Zodd3224
06/15/20 9:14:15 AM
#73:


Glad most of these sociopaths aren't cops because every criminal that tried to flee would be dead. Bunch of Judge Dredds out here.

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Annihilated
06/15/20 9:59:57 AM
#74:


Billy__Beane posted...
I am in 100% agreement with @zinezinzadan

Too many people here are basement dwellers who don't understand the intensity of these situations in real-time.

I think it's more that they want all criminals to go free (they even call for abolishing prisons) so criminals can call the shots. You never see these people condemn criminals. Ever. Probably because it's wish fulfillment to them, just think of all the shit they would do if they could get away with it. But yeah, imagine giving these people badges. They'd be the most corrupt cops ever. The cruelty is the point.
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troll_swag
06/15/20 4:42:00 PM
#75:


Annihilated posted...
I think it's more that they want all criminals to go free (they even call for abolishing prisons) so criminals can call the shots. You never see these people condemn criminals. Ever. Probably because it's wish fulfillment to them, just think of all the shit they would do if they could get away with it. But yeah, imagine giving these people badges. They'd be the most corrupt cops ever. The cruelty is the point.
Wtf? Nobody want criminals to go free. We want them arrested and to have due process like the law says they should.

I know this is hard to believe, but criminals have rights too.

I havent seen a single person claiming this man did nothing wrong. No one is excusing him. Criticism of the policemens action is not an attempt to absolve the suspect.

Stop talking out of your ass.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/15/20 4:42:51 PM
#76:


Blue_Inigo posted...
The rules dont say shoot a drunk man in his back when he's running away and not a threat to you

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monkeysRfunny
06/15/20 5:20:54 PM
#78:


He was a threat since he had a police taser which, as people (or just a person) here dont know, has multiple shots.

Not to mention that theyre just looking at the weapon itself and not the consequences of an incapacitated officer. Cops carry other weapons you know.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/15/20 5:24:05 PM
#79:


monkeysRfunny posted...
He was a threat since he had a police taser which, as people (or just a person) here dont know, has multiple shots.

Not to mention that theyre just looking at the weapon itself and not the consequences of an incapacitated officer. Cops carry other weapons you know.


A police taser legally is a nonlethal weapon. You are not justified if you shoot someone in a back who is carrying a nonlethal weapon, especially when you are wearing body armor and are professionally trained to subdue suspects.
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Zodd3224
06/15/20 5:26:49 PM
#80:


monkeysRfunny posted...
He was a threat since he had a police taser which, as people (or just a person) here dont know, has multiple shots.

Not to mention that theyre just looking at the weapon itself and not the consequences of an incapacitated officer. Cops carry other weapons you know.

A person running in the opposite direction as you, taser or not, is not a threat

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2Pacavelli
06/15/20 5:27:34 PM
#81:


He needs to be charged with 1st degree murder. He actively decided to kill that man

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monkeysRfunny
06/15/20 5:37:13 PM
#82:


Zodd3224 posted...
A person running in the opposite direction as you, taser or not, is not a threat
Because people are incapable of turning and shooting apparently.

Also, tasers are LESS lethal weapons. Theyre meant to subdue subjects but can still prove fatal. But once again, the weapon itself isnt even the main thing; its what that guy could do after discharging it.

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troll_swag
06/15/20 5:38:37 PM
#83:


monkeysRfunny posted...
Because people are incapable of turning and shooting apparently.

Also, tasers are LESS lethal weapons. Theyre meant to subdue subjects but can still prove fatal. But once again, the weapon itself isnt even the main thing; its what that guy could do after discharging it.
We know what he did after he discharged it

He got shot in the fucking back

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/15/20 5:39:33 PM
#84:


monkeysRfunny posted...

Because people are incapable of turning and shooting apparently.

Also, tasers are LESS lethal weapons. Theyre meant to subdue subjects but can still prove fatal. But once again, the weapon itself isnt even the main thing; its what that guy could do after discharging it.


So what you're saying is the cop was not justified in pulling his lesser lethal weapon out in the first place, and that in doing so it led to the circumstances that led to Brooks's death? Therefore making it a felony murder?

Thanks for playing.
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Kobe Bryant
06/15/20 5:41:12 PM
#85:


Don't want to get shot?

Don't fucking steal an officer's taser and shoot him with it. It's not hard.

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Tmaster148
06/15/20 5:42:40 PM
#86:


monkeysRfunny posted...
Because people are incapable of turning and shooting apparently.

Also, tasers are LESS lethal weapons. Theyre meant to subdue subjects but can still prove fatal. But once again, the weapon itself isnt even the main thing; its what that guy could do after discharging it.

If an armed person was running away from your home and you shoot them you would be charged because self defense does not cover shooting a person fleeing.

The same must be applied to the police. Not doing so means we give the police the ability to kill anyone they want.

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Kobe Bryant
06/15/20 5:43:23 PM
#87:


A taser won't kill a person, but it will put your ass on the floor. Easy access to the officer's gun, now we have a problem. It was justified

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troll_swag
06/15/20 5:44:04 PM
#88:


Kobe Bryant posted...
A taser won't kill a person, but it will put your ass on the floor. Easy access to the officer's gun, now we have a problem. It was justified
Except he was running away

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/15/20 5:44:29 PM
#89:


Kobe Bryant posted...
Don't want to get shot?

Don't fucking steal an officer's taser and shoot him with it. It's not hard.


Get Kobe's name out of your fucking username.
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ThisGuyAreSick
06/15/20 5:45:43 PM
#90:


Kobe Bryant posted...
A taser won't kill a person, but it will put your ass on the floor. Easy access to the officer's gun, now we have a problem. It was justified


So deal with that when you get there. The dude was running away. The police did not have a crystal ball.

Friendly reminder that Dylann Roof was allowed to surrender even after murdering a church full of black people. He was more of a threat to public safety and potential officer's lives than Brooks ever would have been.
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monkeysRfunny
06/15/20 5:48:00 PM
#91:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...
So what you're saying is the cop was not justified in pulling his lesser lethal weapon out in the first place, and that in doing so it led to the circumstances that led to Brooks's death? Therefore making it a felony murder?

Thanks for playing.
What the fuck is that logic? He was completely justified, as Brooks initiated a fight and stole a taser. You cop haters are always like why couldnt the cops have used a taser before shooting?! Here they did, and it didnt work.

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Kobe Bryant
06/15/20 5:48:21 PM
#92:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...
So deal with that when you get there. The dude was running away. The police did not have a crystal ball.

Friendly reminder that Dylann Roof was allowed to surrender even after murdering a church full of black people. He was more of a threat to public safety and potential officer's lives than Brooks ever would have been.

Nice, you're cherry picking now.

Did you know more white people per year get killed by police, yet they statistically commit less crime?

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/15/20 5:49:47 PM
#93:


monkeysRfunny posted...

What the fuck is that logic? He was completely justified, as Brooks initiated a fight and stole a taser. You cop haters are always like why couldnt the cops have used a taser before shooting?! Here they did, and it didnt work.


You want your cake and eat it too.

If anyone's life was in danger because Brooks had a taser, that would mean the cops put Brooks's life in danger by pulling out the taser.

If Brooks's life wasn't in danger after the cops pulled out the taser, then that would mean the cops shot a man in the back for nothing.

Kobe Bryant posted...


Nice, you're cherry picking now.

Did you know more white people per year get killed by police, yet they statistically commit less crime?


Oh my god, you really don't deserve to have that username. It's despicable.

@SBAllen can you remove this man's username it's a fucking shitstain on Kobe's name.
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monkeysRfunny
06/15/20 5:49:50 PM
#94:


Kobe Bryant posted...
A taser won't kill a person, but it will put your ass on the floor. Easy access to the officer's gun, now we have a problem. It was justified
FFS people, THIS. No one has acknowledged the fact that an incapacitated officer wont be able to stop their gun from being taken

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voldothegr8
06/15/20 5:49:54 PM
#95:


Kobe Bryant posted...
A taser won't kill a person, but it will put your ass on the floor. Easy access to the officer's gun, now we have a problem. It was justified

There were multiple cops, if he runs for the downed officers gun then it's justified to light him up. But he was running away.
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ThisGuyAreSick
06/15/20 5:51:16 PM
#96:


monkeysRfunny posted...

FFS people, THIS. No one has acknowledged the fact that an incapacitated officer wont be able to stop their gun from being taken


You want your cake and eat it too.

If anyone's life was in danger because Brooks had a taser, that would mean the cops put Brooks's life in danger by pulling out the taser.

If Brooks's life wasn't in danger after the cops pulled out the taser, then that would mean the cops shot a man in the back for nothing.

Either way the cops committed a felony that led to Brooks's death.
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monkeysRfunny
06/15/20 5:51:30 PM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...
You want your cake and eat it too.

If anyone's life was in danger because Brooks had a taser, that would mean the cops put Brooks's life in danger by pulling out the taser.

If Brooks's life wasn't in danger after the cops pulled out the taser, then that would mean the cops shot a man in the back for nothing.
For the hundredth time, read the parts about the difference between a cop tasing someone and a belligerent drunk doing the same. Cops can arrest a downed man, while a violent criminal can jack weapons


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ThisGuyAreSick
06/15/20 5:52:16 PM
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monkeysRfunny posted...

For the hundredth time, read the parts about the difference between a cop tasing someone and a belligerent drunk doing the same. Cops can arrest a downed man, while a violent criminal can jack weapons



Dylann Roof already had weapons and already murdered a bunch of people. Where was this logic when they pulled him over?
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monkeysRfunny
06/15/20 5:52:52 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
There were multiple cops, if he runs for the downed officers gun then it's justified to light him up. But he was running away.
Because he got shot a second after he shot the cop. Not much time to run after if youre put down

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