Current Events > #AllLivesMatter in response to #BlackLivesMatter is racist

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KillerKhan420 posted...

Don't you just wish you could leave this shit show? No other country in the world deals with this kinda stuff except western countries. What's going to be the solution? The endgame? Reintroducing segregation so that white cops are not in the black side of town ever again?

Police accountability.
Investigaton of all police incidents that involve gunfire or fatalities by an independant branch.
Bodycams avaiable for any police department that wants them
Higher pay for police
More focus on local police recruitment
End of drug laws
End of 3rd strike crime

Dude, in the end nobody's life matters cause we are all worthy of death.

lolwut

Hope you enjoy painting your Warhammer 40k models
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UnfairRepresent posted...

wut?

How am I trolling?

That's such a silly ad hominem.

I agree entirely but the name is divisive. You're going "You don't get it, our cause is correct therefore the slogan doesn't matter!" and that's flawed reasoning.

You've put bullets into the guns of the people you're arguing with. It's basic psychology and sociology.

Why do you think whether you're for or against abortion is called Pro-Life and Pro-Choice? Why do you think invasive government overreach is called The Patriot Act?

How you name things matters. Giving something a name that will confuse your message, then going "No educate yourself we say this but we actually mean something else." is going to dilute the movement. As it did years ago when it began.

Random dudes on facebook and Twitter are not the prepetrators of racist treatment. You're being hyperbolic.

What country have you been living in all your life?
Or perhaps you're just grossly uneducated.

America's longstanding history of racism is no mystery to anyone anywhere. So please, quit with that angle. Its extremely insulting.

The bottomline is, you and other Americans do not have the luxury of, "This topic makes me feel uncomfortable" anymore. The country is burning because people like you simply refuse to listen.


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KINDERFELD posted...

What country have you been living in all your life?
Or perhaps you're just grossly uneducated.

America's longstanding history of racism is no mystery to anyone anywhere. So please, quit with that angle. Its extremely insulting.

What angle? What are you on about? Are you just copy pasting random replies, this has no barring on anything I said.

I never denied America's racist history or claimed It was a mystery. You're wildly strawmanning

The bottomline is, you and other Americans do not have the luxury of, "This topic makes me feel uncomfortable" anymore. The country is burning because people like you simply refuse to listen.

Da fuck are you on about?

I'm on your side and youre screaming at me about how you're not divisive.

That says it all
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UnfairRepresent posted...

What angle? What are you on about? Are you just copy pasting random replies, this has no barring on anything I said.

I never denied America's racist history or claimed It was a mystery. You're wildly strawmanning

Da fuck are you on about?

I'm on your side and youre screaming at me about how you're not divisive.

That says it all

The #blacklivesmatter is only a name with a confusing message to racists.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Police accountability.
Investigaton of all police incidents that involve gunfire or fatalities by an independant branch.
Bodycams avaiable for any police department that wants them
Higher pay for police
More focus on local police recruitment
End of drug laws
End of 3rd strike crime

lolwut

Hope you enjoy painting your Warhammer 40k models

Good luck with that, that ain't gonna fix anything when it comes to a white cop killing a black suspect. The outrage will be there.

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KINDERFELD posted...

What #blacklivesmatter is only a name with a confusing message to racist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVu_yMEhUfM

Great so you're gonna call anyone who could be on your side in a movement a racist and then wonder why the movement doesn't go anywhere....

Also calling Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Hiliary Clinton racist while you do it so well done on political support from the top dog.
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KillerKhan420 posted...

Good luck with that, that ain't gonna fix anything when it comes to a white cop killing a black suspect. The outrage will be there.

Except it will make it not happen.

Which is kind of the point.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVu_yMEhUfM

Great so you're gonna call anyone who could be on your side in a movement a racist and then wonder why the movement doesn't go anywhere....

Also calling Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Hiliary Clinton racist while you do it so well done on political support from the top dog.

Dialog with characters like you accomplish absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. I pray that you'll someday grown mentally. However, I'll bow out at this point when it comes to you. I have some really cool pc games that are more deserving of my time.

Take care



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KINDERFELD posted...

Dialog with characters like you accomplish absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

"We need to start a conversation"
"okay"
"Dialog with you is pointless! I just want to talk to yes men in my echo chamber."

Uhuh...

Now imagine what happens when you're talking to someone who actually disagrees with your point.
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"black lives matter" means "black lives ALSO matter" not "black lives ONLY matter"

at this point it's just willful ignorance if someone doesn't understand that after all these years. it's been explained over and over ad nauseum

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ThyCorndog posted...

"black lives matter" means "black lives ALSO matter

So why wasn't it called Black Lives Also Matter?

Or Black Lives Matter Too?

Why do you think they call it "Pro-Life" and not "Against Abortion"?

Why do you think when the movement started the very first thing people like Obama and Biden and Clinton said when the movement started was "Acctuwally all lives matter!" and got a ton of brownie points for it?
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Imagine "Racism is bad" being a controversial opinion.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

"We need to start a conversation"
"okay"
"Dialog with you is pointless! I just want to talk to yes men in my echo chamber."

Uhuh...

Now imagine what happens when you're talking to someone who actually disagrees with your point.

You imagine how the ignore and block options on here work.

You aren't here with honest intent and anyone who has read the few but ridiculous things you've posted in here would see this is so.

Folks like you are akin to those looters trying to get the public to believe the peaceful protestors are them.

I urge everyone else to put you on ignore and block.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

So why wasn't it called Black Lives Also Matter?

Or Black Lives Matter Too?

because it's already implicit. imagine if you were running something for education reform, people would say something like "because our children matter", not "because our children matter too". the "too" is unnecessary. it's so fucking obvious and i'm done responding to that point after this, at least in this topic

UnfairRepresent posted...

Why do you think they call it "Pro-Life" and not "Against Abortion"?

idk, marketing? sounds better? also irrelevant

UnfairRepresent posted...

Why do you think when the movement started the very first thing people like Obama and Biden and Clinton said when the movement started was "Acctuwally all lives matter!" and got a ton of brownie points for it?

I don't think anything about it because I don't like neoliberals and corporatists

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I honestly think some of them legitimately don't see what the issue is with saying that all of our lives matter. They don't understand that is something that doesn't need to be said because everyone knows that all lives matter, but they seem to forget that Black Lives do, so they need to be reminded.

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Skype posted...

Imagine "Racism is bad" being a controversial opinion.

The thing is, the guys saying "No, ALL lives matter" would say the same thing to you.

ThyCorndog posted...

dk, marketing? sounds better?

Now you're getting it Charlie.
ThyCorndog posted...

I don't think anything about it

And that's the problem.

The slogan limits the movement and going "But I don't like that and will insult people" doesn't change that

ThyCorndog posted...

because it's already implicit. imagine if you were running something for education reform, people would say something like "because our children matter", not "because our children matter too". the "too" is unnecessary. it's so fucking obvious and i'm done responding to that point after this, at least in this topic

It would be more like "Because our daughters matter"

And then when people go "But what about our sons!??" You go "Yeah they matter too I guess. Go educate yourself on what we really mean"

It's not a pragmatic approach, it's arming your opponent and putting off the uninvolved.
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Im_an_AssHunter posted...

Meh, BLM is bad reasoning because it only applies when a white personal kills a black person, which doesnt happen NEARLY as much as a black person killing another black person.

Thats why its so fucking hypocritical and why ALM is needed.

Every racist's take on BLM ever.

There is probably a nuanced discussion to be had about it, but I don't think either side would ever be up to it.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Now you're getting it Charlie.

I probably got it before you. My name isn't Charlie

UnfairRepresent posted...

And that's the problem.

The slogan limits the movement and going "But I don't like that and will insult people" doesn't change that

It's not a problem for me. I don't give a rat's ass about Obama, Biden or Clinton. Whatever they've said about the movement is irrelevant. The movement has nothing to do with them and everything to do with systemic racism against black people

UnfairRepresent posted...

It would be more like "Because our daughters matter"

And then when people go "But what about our sons!??" You go "Yeah they matter too I guess. Go educate yourself on what we really mean"

It's not a pragmatic approach, it's arming your opponent and putting off the uninvolved.

You're just saying a bunch of nonsensical shit like most of the time. This is a movement about black people and the way they're treated in this country, especially by police

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Damn. Unfairrep is like the most hardcore of hardcore down the middle centrists ever, huh.

must be hard bro

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ThyCorndog posted...

I probably got it before you. My name isn't Charlie

Sorry Stephan

It's not a problem for me. I don't give a rat's ass about Obama, Biden or Clinton. Whatever they've said about the movement is irrelevant. The movement has nothing to do with them and everything to do with systemic racism against black people

So you want a movement that has nothing to do with the people in power who can actually change things or the population as a whole who can change things?

ok.

You're just saying a bunch of nonsensical shit like most of the time. This is a movement about black people and the way they're treated in this country, especially by police

I never said it wasn't.

Dyinglegacy posted...

Damn. Unfairrep is like the most hardcore of hardcore down the middle centrists ever, huh.

must be hard bro

I don't see how I'm a centrist but okay.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Hmmmm

Imagine picking and choosing words in my post to create an entirely new narrative. You are part of the fucking problem. You are doing exactly what all these #alllivesmatter trolls are doing and trying to change the narrative. And did I stutter? I said go fuck yourself and your passive racism.

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My problem with The Black Lives Matter movement is that it comes from a place of false information. We are killed at a higher rate per capita than white people by police but black people killed by police are more likely to be killed by black police officers. Michigan State did a study last year that shows, and I quote, "If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers, but this is because black officers are drawn from the same population that they police." There results found "that its not racial bias on behalf of white officers relative to black officers when it comes to fatal shootings."

In addition they found, "violent crime rates are the driving force behind fatal shootings, Cesario said. Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot. It is the best predictor we have of fatal police shootings.

The data would seem to agree with that statement. We only account for 13.4% of the US population but we commit 37.4% of violent crimes and 53.3% of murders. We kill white people at twice the rate they kill us and we kill police officers at four times the rate white people kill them. Almost 90% of black people murdered are murdered by other black people. BLM ignores all of this and tries to deflect blame 100% to white people by focusing on the minority of times where white people do murder us.

I agree that racism is a thing, I have seen it and been the victim of it. There are racist white people out there. There are also racist black people out there. Maybe we have more reason to be racist because of our experiences but that isn't going to make anything better. If anything, stereotyping and racism to combat stereotyping and racism is going to create a further divide. We seemingly want to punish all white people for the sins of the incredibly small minority while excusing behavior within our race. Maybe white people do that, too, and maybe it just feels like we do it more because I mostly move in circles of other black people.

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Conflict posted...

Bro, just block him so he can stop shitting up the topic

I don't believe in blocking people. I like to see exactly who they are for the consistent reminder that they are shit people. Mods are modding me in this topic and I don't give two shits. I'm sick and tired.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

My problem with The Black Lives Matter movement is that it comes from a place of false information. We are killed at a higher rate per capita than white people by police but black people killed by police are more likely to be killed by black police officers. Michigan State did a study last year that shows, and I quote, "If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers, but this is because black officers are drawn from the same population that they police." There results found "that its not racial bias on behalf of white officers relative to black officers when it comes to fatal shootings."

In addition they found, "violent crime rates are the driving force behind fatal shootings, Cesario said. Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot. It is the best predictor we have of fatal police shootings.

The data would seem to agree with that statement. We only account for 13.4% of the US population but we commit 37.4% of violent crimes and 53.3% of murders. We kill white people at twice the rate they kill us and we kill police officers at four times the rate white people kill them. Almost 90% of black people murdered are murdered by other black people. BLM ignores all of this and tries to deflect blame 100% to white people by focusing on the minority of times where white people do murder us.

I agree that racism is a thing, I have seen it and been the victim of it. There are racist white people out there. There are also racist black people out there. Maybe we have more reason to be racist because of our experiences but that isn't going to make anything better. If anything, stereotyping and racism to combat stereotyping and racism is going to create a further divide. We seemingly want to punish all white people for the sins of the incredibly small minority while excusing behavior within our race. Maybe white people do that, too, and maybe it just feels like we do it more because I mostly move in circles of other black people.

Disliking and distrusting people who literally enslaved and murdered your people back then and now is not being racist.

There has never been a time in the history of this country where a black police officer killed an unarmed white man the way Floyd and many others were murdered.

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KINDERFELD posted...

Disliking and distrusting people who literally enslaved and murdered your people back then and now is not being racist.

There has never been a time in the history of this country where a black police officer killed an unarmed white man the way Floyd and many others were murdered.

Do you think there only two races? Pretty much every race is racist against each other. Not really a comment on your overall point, but just on the general idea of racism.

abaddon41_80 posted...

My problem with The Black Lives Matter movement is that it comes from a place of false information. We are killed at a higher rate per capita than white people by police but black people killed by police are more likely to be killed by black police officers. Michigan State did a study last year that shows, and I quote, "If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers, but this is because black officers are drawn from the same population that they police." There results found "that its not racial bias on behalf of white officers relative to black officers when it comes to fatal shootings."

In addition they found, "violent crime rates are the driving force behind fatal shootings, Cesario said. Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot. It is the best predictor we have of fatal police shootings.

The data would seem to agree with that statement. We only account for 13.4% of the US population but we commit 37.4% of violent crimes and 53.3% of murders. We kill white people at twice the rate they kill us and we kill police officers at four times the rate white people kill them. Almost 90% of black people murdered are murdered by other black people. BLM ignores all of this and tries to deflect blame 100% to white people by focusing on the minority of times where white people do murder us.

I agree that racism is a thing, I have seen it and been the victim of it. There are racist white people out there. There are also racist black people out there. Maybe we have more reason to be racist because of our experiences but that isn't going to make anything better. If anything, stereotyping and racism to combat stereotyping and racism is going to create a further divide. We seemingly want to punish all white people for the sins of the incredibly small minority while excusing behavior within our race. Maybe white people do that, too, and maybe it just feels like we do it more because I mostly move in circles of other black people.

No, you don't agree with racism. Posting this shit continues to change the narrative. You are part of the problem.

The background behind these statistics are largely rooted in systemic racism. The poverty that was forced upon people of color after the civil war through redlining and continued implicit bias. Guess what continued poverty tends to lead to?! Read up on it. Educate yourself, my friend.

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nemu posted...

Do you think there only two races? Pretty much every race is racist against each other. Not really a comment on your overall point, but just on the general idea of racism.

waaaaaaaaatttt...holy crap all the most uneducated people on this subject are consistently crawling out of the woodwork.

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nemu posted...

Do you think there only two races? Pretty much every race is racist against each other. Not really a comment on your overall point, but just on the general idea of racism.

I'm not talking about your hypotheticals.
I'm talking about a very real history of racism and the fact that many white Americans are still being raised to believe that their color makes them superior.

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"Save the Whales" isn't "Fuck the Fish, Save the Whales"
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abaddon41_80 posted...

My problem with The Black Lives Matter movement is that it comes from a place of false information. We are killed at a higher rate per capita than white people by police but black people killed by police are more likely to be killed by black police officers. Michigan State did a study last year that shows, and I quote, "If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers, but this is because black officers are drawn from the same population that they police." There results found "that its not racial bias on behalf of white officers relative to black officers when it comes to fatal shootings."

In addition they found, "violent crime rates are the driving force behind fatal shootings, Cesario said. Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot. It is the best predictor we have of fatal police shootings.

The data would seem to agree with that statement. We only account for 13.4% of the US population but we commit 37.4% of violent crimes and 53.3% of murders. We kill white people at twice the rate they kill us and we kill police officers at four times the rate white people kill them. Almost 90% of black people murdered are murdered by other black people. BLM ignores all of this and tries to deflect blame 100% to white people by focusing on the minority of times where white people do murder us.

I agree that racism is a thing, I have seen it and been the victim of it. There are racist white people out there. There are also racist black people out there. Maybe we have more reason to be racist because of our experiences but that isn't going to make anything better. If anything, stereotyping and racism to combat stereotyping and racism is going to create a further divide. We seemingly want to punish all white people for the sins of the incredibly small minority while excusing behavior within our race. Maybe white people do that, too, and maybe it just feels like we do it more because I mostly move in circles of other black people.

The difference is cops are a profession with responsibility and power.

Black people are just that, people, civilians.

Conflating police abuse and lack of accountability with black civilians commiting crimes is missing the point entirely.

That's a whole seperate discussion

It's also not "Punishing all white people" to hold cops accountable. By your own statistics you posted black cops would be hit the hardest by accountability.

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Man all SquantoZ ever does is insult people and scream about "changing the narrative"

Why are you so unwilling to have a conversation?
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Alright, Ill bite. UnfairRep, heres the issue I have with your views on the slogan.

Its agreed upon that if substantial changes and reform to law enforcement are going to happen, this is going to require effort from everyone, not just African-Americans. The prevailing message of the protests against police brutality is that Were all in this together.

The message behind #BlackLivesMatter is not difficult to explain to people. When you said the #BLM slogan is confusing to some people, it was suggested that you explain to those people what it means. Your response was essentially, Why dont YOU explain it to them? Its YOUR movement! Either that or pick a new slogan.

By suggesting #BLM should change the slogan instead of you doing the bare minimum of explaining a simple issue to someone who doesnt understand it, youve distanced yourself from the movement entirely. By suggesting that education of the issue at hand falls solely on black folk, it betrays the message of everyones in this together. Youve come across as someone who will support the #BLM until youre mildly inconvenienced, at which point youll throw all responsibility back on African-Americans.

Im not trying to start an argument or suggest the above reflects who you are as a person. Im just trying to explain how your comments have come across.

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KINDERFELD posted...

I'm not talking about your hypotheticals.
I'm talking about a very real history of racism and the fact that many white Americans are still being raised to believe that their color makes them superior.

It's not a hypothetical to say there are most races hate each other. You can certainly say there has never been any governmental racism from black people to white, Asian, or Latino people, but that doesn't mean there isn't vile hatred from those communities towards each other.

Of course it is (or at least, the sign of someone with no argument to make except "I dont like it when you're right") but morons on CE, the internet and elsewhere dont bother to think it through

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HotLap posted...

Alright, Ill bite. UnfairRep, heres the issue I have with your views on the slogan.

Its agreed upon that if substantial changes and reform to law enforcement are going to happen, this is going to require effort from everyone, not just African-Americans. The prevailing message of the protests against police brutality is that Were all in this together.

The message behind #BlackLivesMatter is not difficult to explain to people. When you said the #BLM slogan is confusing to some people, it was suggested that you explain to those people what it means. Your response was essentially, Why dont YOU explain it to them? Its YOUR movement! Either that or pick a new slogan.

By suggesting #BLM should change the slogan instead of you doing the bare minimum of explaining a simple issue to someone who doesnt understand it, youve distanced yourself from the movement entirely. By suggesting that education of the issue at hand falls solely on black folk, it betrays the message of everyones in this together. Youve come across as someone who will support the #BLM until youre mildly inconvenienced, at which point youll throw all responsibility back on African-Americans.

Im not trying to start an argument or suggest the above reflects who you are as a person. Im just trying to explain how your comments have come across.

Thanks man. I no longer have the patience with people to try to reason with them anymore. I'm so tired of it. The past week has been a shit show and I'm tired of entertaining and educating people.

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HotLap posted...

Alright, Ill bite. UnfairRep, heres the issue I have with your views on the slogan.

Its agreed upon that if substantial changes and reform to law enforcement are going to happen, this is going to require effort from everyone, not just African-Americans. The prevailing message of the protests against police brutality is that Were all in this together.

Aye

The message behind #BlackLivesMatter is not difficult to explain to people. When you said the #BLM slogan is confusing to some people, it was suggested that you explain to those people what it means. Your response was essentially, Why dont YOU explain it to them? Its YOUR movement! Either that or pick a new slogan.

I never said that.

People like TC say "They need to go educate themselves about what we actually mean when we say something else!" and I said then that's a flawed slogan.

HotLap posted...

By suggesting #BLM should change the slogan instead of you doing the bare minimum of explaining a simple issue to someone who doesnt understand it, youve distanced yourself from the movement entirely.

It's not "1 person who doesn't understand it" there's a whole group of people who either don't or won't. Including those in power and authority. And I've explained it to many people (including in this topic) because the slogan exists whether or not i created it.

IT was just poorly thought out

By suggesting that education of the issue at hand falls solely on black folk,

I never said that. TC did and I disagreed with him

So you're agreeing with me.

Youve come across as someone who will support the #BLM until youre mildly inconvenienced, at which point youll throw all responsibility back on African-Americans.

That's TC, not me. I think you're conflating our posts. I've literally not mentioned race at all except as a direct response to someone else who brought it up.

Im not trying to start an argument or suggest the above reflects who you are as a person. Im just trying to explain how your comments have come across.

If you say so

But I'll repeat if you're having this much problems communicating with someone on your side who is open to everything you have to say and supports the movement, why are you surprised that you can't get anywhere with the opposition or make any actual changes overyears?

UnfairRepresent posted...

So why wasn't it called Black Lives Also Matter?

Or Black Lives Matter Too?

Why do you think they call it "Pro-Life" and not "Against Abortion"?

Why do you think when the movement started the very first thing people like Obama and Biden and Clinton said when the movement started was "Acctuwally all lives matter!" and got a ton of brownie points for it?

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nemu posted...

It's not a hypothetical to say there are most races hate each other. You can certainly say there has never been any governmental racism from black people to white, Asian, or Latino people, but that doesn't mean there isn't vile hatred from those communities towards each other.

That's not called racism. That's called prejudice built from centuries of implicit bias.

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KINDERFELD posted...

Disliking and distrusting people who literally enslaved and murdered your people back then and now is not being racist.

There has never been a time in the history of this country where a black police officer killed an unarmed white man the way Floyd and many others were murdered.

What white people did to our ancestors in the past doesn't have anything to do with today's world. I hate it when other black people bring up slavery or other things that happened so far in the past that most people who participated are dead by now. That is meaningless.

What happened to George Floyd is horrible and should never have happened. The people responsible should be punished to the full extent of the law. That is not commonplace, though. It certainly hasn't been something that happened to "many others" in recent times. There were twice as many unarmed white people killed by police as there were black people last year. That doesn't make up for the population difference but to act like it doesn't happen is false.

SquantoZ posted...

No, you don't agree with racism. Posting this shit continues to change the narrative. You are part of the problem.

The background behind these statistics are largely rooted in systemic racism. The poverty that was forced upon people of color after the civil war through redlining and continued implicit bias. Guess what continued poverty tends to lead to?! Read up on it. Educate yourself, my friend.

I do not need to look up anything about poverty and people of color. I grew up in a household with seven siblings being raised by a single mother in neighborhoods, over a dozen of them because we kept getting evicted, that were mostly other black people. What does being in poverty have to do with violent crimes? Neither I nor any of my siblings, nor most of the other black people I grew up with, have committed any violent crimes. It is your opinion that these numbers are largely rooted in systemic racism and that is part of the problem. It deflects the responsibility from us. There are things out there we cannot control but there is plenty we can try to control that we just ignore in favor of blaming it all on white people. To me, you are more part of the problem.

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SquantoZ posted...

That's not called racism. That's called prejudice built from centuries of implicit bias.

That silly redefinition of racism will never be a thing. You do realize you can differentiate structural racism from interpersonal racism without needing to invent new terminology, right? We can agree that a power structure built to oppress an entire race is worse than a singular person of any race hurling a slur at someone of any other race.

Youve come across as someone who will support the #BLM until youre mildly inconvenienced, at which point youll throw all responsibility back on African-Americans.

That's TC, not me. I think you're conflating our posts.

@UnfairRepresent

I've never seen anyone try this hard to change everything I say into the complete opposite. This is the same shameful behavior that right wingers do.


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Maybe I'm thinking too much of people at large but I have to imagine that people who get really irate about a movement focused specifically on the problem of violence against black people being called "black lives matter" arent stupid enough to think it's an exclusionary and are just trying to cause trouble. Organizations and movements are generally focused around a main premise rather than having to focus on everything all at once, and people know that, right?

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All Life in this planet matters.
#alllifeinthisplanetmatters.

abaddon41_80 posted...

I do not need to look up anything about poverty and people of color. I grew up in a household with seven siblings being raised by a single mother in neighborhoods, over a dozen of them because we kept getting evicted, that were mostly other black people. What does being in poverty have to do with violent crimes? Neither I nor any of my siblings, nor most of the other black people I grew up with, have committed any violent crimes. It is your opinion that these numbers are largely rooted in systemic racism and that is part of the problem. It deflects the responsibility from us. There are things out there we cannot control but there is plenty we can try to control that we just ignore in favor of blaming it all on white people. To me, you are more part of the problem.

http://economics.fundamentalfinance.com/povertycrime.php

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapJournal/index.html?appid=5508484140a84023a1e2d8b080e14d0a

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/322568-violence-is-a-symptom-of-poverty-not-a-cause

I can keep going. Do your research.

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ultimate reaver posted...

Maybe I'm thinking too much of people at large but I have to imagine that people who get really irate about a movement focused specifically on the problem of violence against black people being called "black lives matter" arent stupid enough to think it's an exclusionary and are just trying to cause trouble. Organizations and movements are generally focused around a main premise rather than having to focus on everything all at once, and people know that, right?

Of course they know. They are purposely trying to fight back with a racist views.


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My mom's not racist she just didn't know OK!!?? This topic is a direct response to the Facebook post she shared I just know it...

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The_Ivory_Man posted...

I don't like this logic because it implies other races don't have issues with the police.

Remember that white kid who was shot in the back by police after "refusing to comply" when he was wearing noise-cancelling headphones and walking down the street?

Or when a white guy called the police and said his schizophrenia was acting up and he needed help, only to be killed by the police while they laughed and cracked jokes about him.

I'm sure you at least remember the white guy who was killed in the hallway while police were barking contradicting orders at him on how to move down the hallway.

There is an issue with discrimination in the police department, but don't act like abuses of police are some issue that only are a problem that only black people have to deal with.

I'm not saying Black Lives Matter is a bad slogan, I just think that thing you posted is bad.

Wasn't Black Lives Matter on the ground for all of those?

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abaddon41_80 posted...

What white people did to our ancestors in the past doesn't have anything to do with today's world. I hate it when other black people bring up slavery or other things that happened so far in the past that most people who participated are dead by now. That is meaningless.

I don't agree

Sure being mad at white people is racist and anyone who says anything like "I'm done with White People" has some kind of problem. But black people weren't just slaves and then equals. They didn't have equal rights, couldn't vote, were segregated, couldn't have the same educations, couldn't live in the same places.

This happened over centuries and still has an effect today. If 2 babies are born and you know absolutely nothing about the baby other than 1 is white and 1 is black and it is America, odds are the white baby comes from a richer household in a nicer neighborhood. Just because of the history that got us here, that's the likely slice of it.

And that's tragic

Systemic racism hasn't "Gone away" because average joes are cool dudes

abaddon41_80 posted...

t certainly hasn't been something that happened to "many others" in recent times. There were twice as many unarmed white people killed by police as there were black people last year.

The population is also 75% white.

Also you're wrong. In 2019 it was 370 white guys shot to 235 black guys shot by police.

That's not twice as many.

abaddon41_80 posted...

It is your opinion that these numbers are largely rooted in systemic racism and that is part of the problem

They are

. It deflects the responsibility from us.

True and there is no excuse to commit crime but the complaint is valid.

There are things out there we cannot control but there is plenty we can try to control that we just ignore in favor of blaming it all on white people. To me, you are more part of the problem.

Holding cops accountable is not blaming white people.

You're conflating things
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