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*Designs Sharpedo as an ultimate glass cannon with 40 def and special def and 70 health, basically getting OHKO'd by anything*

*Gives it 120 physical attack, despite having no physical STAB*

Game design!
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Not as bad as Sneasel. Give it a high attack, but both its types are Special and it has a piss-poor Sp. Attack stat.


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it's a game for children that is not supposed to be taken this seriously nor played competitively

And this is why they started splitting moves into physical/special based on the moves themselves (and not their types) starting with gen 4
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Calwings posted...

And this is why they started splitting moves into physical/special based on the moves themselves (and not their types) starting with gen 4

Gen 4 was boring trash in many regards.

But the physical/special split was the smartest thing they did.

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Calwings posted...

And this is why they started splitting moves into physical/special based on the moves themselves (and not their types) starting with gen 4

Sure.

But Sharpedo was designed for a game where that wasn't the case, in a franchise where it had never been the case.
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I thought this topic was going to be actual criticism about their laziness v_v

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Ushiromiya posted...

I thought this topic was going to be actual criticism about their laziness v_v

It's actual criticism about their bad game design.
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Imagine making Red/Blue/Yellow Moltres

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I mean 95 special attack isn't anything to sneeze at either >_>

Crush, Surf, EQ, Slash?

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yeah anything before gen 4 is honestly unplayable

which is really sad considering gen 6 onwards is also unplayable

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Also, regarding Sharpedo.

It has a sphincter.

https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/38/Spr_b_7s_319.png
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Kaiganeer posted...

it's a game for children that is not supposed to be taken this seriously nor played competitively

don't they do competitive tournaments for money every year though? lol

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It's also horribly balanced. I'm sure it's difficult to balance a game that has so many angles but it's like... what's even the point of some of these Pokemon's existence? I'm not talking Pokemon that can be placed on lower tiers and do some interesting stuff there. Like a good 40% of the Pokemon base is just flat out worthless even in their tiers\

But also I thought the topic was gonna be about making such a low tier effort lacking game with all their money

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Choco posted...

yeah anything before gen 4 is honestly unplayable

which is really sad considering gen 6 onwards is also unplayable

I'd still consider Emerald (mostly for the Battle Frontier) and OR/AS (for having a lot of the best additions that X/Y brought without many of the other flaws that X/Y had) to be good enough to still be playable/enjoyable today. But yeah, gen 4-5 was the golden age of Pokemon games IMO.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

It's actual criticism about their bad game design.

The game design is fine. I think you just focus mainly on the combat.

Some people raise Poke'mon in game because they like putting together a crew or having a cute buddy that is good at doing a specific task (poison or sleep an opponent).

If the game's combat was perfectly balanced, the game would not feel dynamic, it would be very predictable. Having strong Poke'mon and weak Poke'mon allows for more diverse battles and scenarios.

For example a fast Jigglypuff could perform Sing, it would land and sleep the enemy before the stronger enemy has a chance to damage and faint Jigglypuff.


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They've done that since Gyarados and Feraligatr.
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Gyarados has a flying physical stab (its shitty flying movepool not withstanding) in the early gens and both it and Feraligatr have some decent bulk and decent damage even without stab. Sharpedo is designed to be a glass cannon but they took out the cannon part by not designing with physical and special move limitations in mind.
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It didn't have a single flying type move lol although in Gen 1 its special was pretty good anyway. Sharpedo's special attack wasn't that bad either. There's also Gengar who somehow made do solely through its amazing typing.
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weird how competitive Pokemon insist on playing a game obviously not designed for that kind of stuff and yet never seem to be able to stop complaining about its issues

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Gyarados has a flying physical stab (its shitty flying movepool not withstanding) in the early gens

Gyarados' Flying movepool pre-Gen 4 was more than shitty; it outright didn't exist.

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I thought it could learn Fly.
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I wasn't aware it could learn fly ever

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Not as bad as Sneasel. Give it a high attack, but both its types are Special and it has a piss-poor Sp. Attack stat.

good thing it evolves into the much superior weaville

oh wait youre talking strictly gen 2 lmfao they got rid of that shit in gen 3
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I would like to point you towards Kingler.

130 base attack. 50 base special attack. Guess which side of the spectrum Water attacks fell on up until Gen 4.

DeadBankerDream posted...

I thought it could learn Fly.

The closest to that that it gets is Bounce. Starting with Platinum, it gets Bounce via Magikarp and Move Tutors.

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Flareon didn't get a physical stab move(Fire) worth using until X/Y.

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Sharped was also really good in the competitive scene.

Choco posted...

yeah anything before gen 4 is honestly unplayable

which is really sad considering gen 6 onwards is also unplayable

I dunno, in my case I hadn't played and beat a Pokemon game since the first 2 gens, and I recently bought Ultra Sun to give the series another try. And the jump for me is pretty crazy. Especially since I was replaying Crystal after many years of not playing a main series Pokemon game.

Plus, I don't care about the competitive side. So while the game seems very text heavy so far, I'm kinda enjoying it.

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Do random shit
Ppl swallol it
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Profit

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doesn't the Pokemon Company host events every year where you can win money from winning a Pokemon tournament? How isn't the game designed for that kind of stuff if they're making tournaments out of it?

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