Current Events > so the new Batwoman *HAS* to be of the LGBTQ community

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Bass_X0
05/22/20 6:36:30 AM
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and that a straight woman for the role just isn't an acceptable casting decision regardless of acting ability.

Imagine if the roles were reversed and the director specifically wanted a straight actor to play the part of a straight character. No gays allowed. There would be huge backlash.

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CreepySmile
05/22/20 6:38:28 AM
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wat
you can be cis and gay tho
Also Cam from Modern Family is gay and played by a straight actor

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Bass_X0
05/22/20 6:41:53 AM
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CreepySmile posted...
wat
you can be cis and gay tho
You're right. I misspoke.


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Foppe
05/22/20 6:42:45 AM
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CreepySmile posted...
wat
you can be cis and gay tho
Also Cam from Modern Family is gay and played by a straight actor
Things have changed in the last 11 years.


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Kami_no_Kami
05/22/20 6:43:46 AM
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Welcome to CW DC.
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scar the 1
05/22/20 6:48:02 AM
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Bass_X0 posted...
Imagine if the roles were reversed and the director specifically wanted a straight actor to play the part of a straight character. No gays allowed. There would be huge backlash.
I've no idea what's going on in the Batwoman situation, but this is such a shitty and dishonest argument. When we're in a system where one group is favored and the other is marginalized, the "roles were reversed" scenario isn't equivalent. Asking for members of a marginalized to get representation is not equivalent to asking for members of the favored group to get representation. It's such a lazy notion that it would be.

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coh
05/22/20 6:50:26 AM
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Why can't a straight actor play a gay character? This isn't like skin color.
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alimajor
05/22/20 6:52:06 AM
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CreepySmile posted...
wat
you can be cis and gay tho
Also Cam from Modern Family is gay and played by a straight actor

Wouldnt that be gay-face?
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Lorenzo_2003
05/22/20 6:54:53 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
When we're in a system where one group is favored and the other is marginalized, the "roles were reversed" scenario isn't equivalent. Asking for members of a marginalized to get representation is not equivalent to asking for members of the favored group to get representation. It's such a lazy notion that it would be.

You're politicizing acting. Acting. They are actors. They pretend to be different people. I know you know this.

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Master Kazuya
05/22/20 6:56:27 AM
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Idk I kinda get it though. If one of your defining character's traits is that they are gay, then a gay person is going to be able to do that role better. Like when I watch NPH try to play a straight guy on HIMYM, something feels off. It could be his acting but it never sells me really. When I see Joey Tribbiani or Jack MacFarland, where part of their character is heavily tied into their sexuality, I'm convinced it's a straight or gay guy respectively.

If it was just like, oh they want a LGBTQ person for the role even though it's not a defining feature of the char, that would be kinda forced, it should just be acting talent. But if part of their character is heavily tied into their sexuality, I think it only makes sense to have an actor that represents.

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Frolex
05/22/20 6:57:46 AM
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-non-white/gay/female actor cast as a white/straight/male character
"Stop shoving diversity down our throats and stay true to the source material SJWs"

-non-white/gay/female actor cast to play non-white/gay/female character
"Why can't the SJWs just pick an actor based on merit regardless of what the character is"



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Funkydog
05/22/20 6:59:08 AM
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Master Kazuya posted...
Like when I watch NPH try to play a straight guy on HIMYM, something feels off. It could be his acting but it never sells me really.
I think that's a you thing. Never heard anyone bring up he didn't play a straight player excellently.

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Bass_X0
05/22/20 7:08:05 AM
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coh posted...
Why can't a straight actor play a gay character? This isn't like skin color.

Thats the point. But the directors want to be "stunning and brave" by only hiring a LGBTQ actor, and not actually focusing on better writing.

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seqntenialbeast
05/22/20 7:10:35 AM
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most hollywood actresses identify as LGBT and that's not even an exaggeration.

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NinjaBreakfast
05/22/20 7:13:33 AM
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39 year old british man trolls about gay people again

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ChuckSDeuces
05/22/20 7:17:25 AM
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It's just a shitty CW show

Honestly this isnt worth giving a shit about. Let them virtue signal and feel good. It's not like this isnt going into development hell along with all the other "we're totally gonna do it!" things like the Rian Johnson Star Wars trilogy and female ghostbusters sequel.

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Zikten
05/22/20 7:18:27 AM
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ChuckSDeuces posted...
It's just a shitty CW show

Honestly this isnt worth giving a shit about. Let them virtue signal and feel good. It's not like this isnt going into development hell along with all the other "we're totally gonna do it!" things like the Rian Johnson Star Wars trilogy and female ghostbusters sequel.
Development hell? The show already has been made and got renewed for a second season
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Fazeo13
05/22/20 7:18:33 AM
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I hope she's black too.
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Zikten
05/22/20 7:19:07 AM
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Fazeo13 posted...
I hope she's black too.
I dont think they are replacing the character just the actor. So she has to be white cause Kate Kane is white
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ChuckSDeuces
05/22/20 7:21:48 AM
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Zikten posted...
Development hell? The show already has been made and got renewed for a second season

And Rian Johnsons trilogy and the Ghostbuster sequel were greenlit

That's my point. The show was a ratings disaster and now the lead has backed out. Of course they're not going to say its cancelled but I wouldnt be surprised if like those other two we never hear anything again.

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creativerealms
05/22/20 7:24:33 AM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
You're politicizing acting. Acting. They are actors. They pretend to be different people. I know you know this.
I see no politics here.

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creativerealms
05/22/20 7:26:41 AM
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Bass_X0 posted...
Thats the point. But the directors want to be "stunning and brave" by only hiring a LGBTQ actor, and not actually focusing on better writing.
That has nothing to do with it.

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Bass_X0
05/22/20 7:32:44 AM
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
39 year old british man trolls about gay people again

only towards writers discriminating against a group of actors based solely on their sexuality and not the quality of their acting ability, yes.

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NinjaBreakfast
05/22/20 7:35:33 AM
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every DC tv show made to date has discriminated against quality acting/production/writing because theyre terrible

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pegusus123456
05/22/20 7:36:34 AM
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I find it to be pretty dumb tbh. CW's just doing it for woke points.

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Kami_no_Kami
05/22/20 7:40:44 AM
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
every DC tv show made to date has discriminated against quality acting/production/writing because theyre terrible
I was about to mention Doom Patrol (which is amazing), then I remembered its not technically a tv show.
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MARKINGRAM22
05/22/20 7:41:30 AM
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It isn't like gay actors have been excluded in Hollywood or acting...not sure why this is necessary.
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boxington
05/22/20 7:42:20 AM
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it's weird when people complain about writers, directors, etc. wanting LGBTQ+ actors to play certain characters, for example, when roles have always been created/cast with certain actors in mind.


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TheoryzC
05/22/20 7:43:13 AM
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Kami_no_Kami posted...
I was about to mention Doom Patrol (which is amazing), then I remembered its not technically a tv show.
It's definitely a TV show

Along with Watchmen, Swamp Thing and Black Lightning

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ChuckSDeuces
05/22/20 7:44:30 AM
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boxington posted...
it's weird when people complain about writers, directors, etc. wanting LGBTQ+ actors to play certain characters, for example, when roles have always been created/cast with certain actors in mind.

They're upset because they were told that race and sex shouldn't matter with acting but now it does again.

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boxington
05/22/20 7:46:34 AM
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race and sex have always mattered with acting, though.

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pegusus123456
05/22/20 7:51:40 AM
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boxington posted...
it's weird when people complain about writers, directors, etc. wanting LGBTQ+ actors to play certain characters, for example, when roles have always been created/cast with certain actors in mind.
You can't really pass off a white dude as a black character. You can pass a straight actor for a gay character. It's not really comparable. CW knows this because it has plenty of gay characters played by straight actors.

I think the only reason it even matters is that they made a big deal about Batwoman being played by an LGBT actress when they cast Ruby Rose. Now that she's left, they can't go back on that without looking a little dickish.

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boxington
05/22/20 7:58:35 AM
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I feel like it's more of an issue of LGBTQ characters historically not always having the best depictions, and we now live in a time where people who might fall under that umbrella have more of a voice, and having a gay actor play a gay character, or a trans actor play a trans character, for example, not only gives people more representation but also kinda has creators having more accountability with their works

that's how I see it, at least.

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NinjaBreakfast
05/22/20 8:01:08 AM
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Kami_no_Kami posted...
I was about to mention Doom Patrol (which is amazing), then I remembered its not technically a tv show.
i meant all those awful DC CW shows tbf, is that one?

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scar the 1
05/22/20 8:29:04 AM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
You're politicizing acting. Acting. They are actors. They pretend to be different people. I know you know this.
What about acting do you think exempts it from politics?

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lolife67
05/22/20 8:41:16 AM
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ChuckSDeuces posted...
And Rian Johnsons trilogy and the Ghostbuster sequel were greenlit

That's my point. The show was a ratings disaster and now the lead has backed out. Of course they're not going to say its cancelled but I wouldnt be surprised if like those other two we never hear anything again.
Being "greenlit" as a feature film and having another season of a television series already set isn't the same thing, though. And it's not a ratings disaster at all. It's actually the 3rd highest rated CW show.
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_Kalecgos_
05/22/20 8:59:57 AM
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I just find it amusing that we insist on setting people apart this way, then wonder why they can't get along and agree.

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The_Bitcoin
05/22/20 9:01:12 AM
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What if they hire the deer-kin who got recently hired by twitter (or was it twitch? I forgot)
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ChuckSDeuces
05/22/20 9:01:46 AM
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The_Bitcoin posted...
What if they hire the deer-kin who got recently hired by twitter (or was it twitch? I forgot)

Nope

Has to be Bat-kin

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The_Bitcoin
05/22/20 9:04:14 AM
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ChuckSDeuces posted...
Nope

Has to be Bat-kin

a bat kin did apply. But he was male-presenting. We turned that testicled invader away!
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au_gold
05/22/20 9:05:33 AM
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Sounds par for the course for the CW.

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IShall_Run_Amok
05/22/20 9:08:21 AM
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So it took, what, seventeen posts before somebody pretended to be upset about the politics of Star Wars again? Impressive.

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BarneyBosco
05/22/20 9:16:10 AM
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Still not enough diversity. I'll only watch it if she's overweight and black too.

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CleanerIGotThis
05/22/20 9:34:10 AM
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Im confused. Who can and cant play gay people? And can gay people play straight characters? I remember Billy Porter complaining hes never considered for straight roles and always cast as gay... so gays want play straight roles but also want to make it that only gays can play gay characters?

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epik_fail1
05/22/20 9:57:54 AM
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CleanerIGotThis posted...
Im confused. Who can and cant play gay people? And can gay people play straight characters? I remember Billy Porter complaining hes never considered for straight roles and always cast as gay... so gays want play straight roles but also want to make it that only gays can play gay characters?

A few =/= all gays

Imagine it I said "the straights " toward the opinion of 5 straight men... I would be called a radical sjw who want to oppress the straights


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epik_fail1
05/22/20 9:58:51 AM
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Honestly most people won't notice if a lgbt person is played by a straight one. It really don't matter

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Lorenzo_2003
05/22/20 10:28:40 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
What about acting do you think exempts it from politics?

Specifically?

The part where they hire people to play make-believe. Yeah, that one.

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BLAKUboy
05/22/20 10:35:44 AM
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Frolex posted...
-non-white/gay/female actor cast as a white/straight/male character
"Stop shoving diversity down our throats and stay true to the source material SJWs"

-non-white/gay/female actor cast to play non-white/gay/female character
"Why can't the SJWs just pick an actor based on merit regardless of what the character is"

It's almost like these people don't actually care about the issue and just want to complain about "the gays" or something.

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sevihaimerej
05/22/20 10:37:03 AM
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epik_fail1 posted...
Honestly most people won't notice if a lgbt person is played by a straight one. It really don't matter
This. This whole us vs them between straight people and every other sexuality imaginable lumped together has to stop, I present to you all the solution: LGBTQS+!

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