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God_Of_Entirety
05/22/20 3:15:09 AM
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was it


they literally entrapped them..

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trappedunderice
05/22/20 3:16:24 AM
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Why don't you have a seat?
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I4NRulez
05/22/20 3:17:16 AM
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They weren't reaching out to the people iirc. They would just go in a chat room and pretend to be a kid. Then the dudes would message the kid and it went from there.

Entrapment would have been if they were reaching out to the guy "Hey im 12 come over and have sex with me"

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pegusus123456
05/22/20 3:19:47 AM
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I4NRulez posted...
They weren't reaching out to the people iirc. They would just go in a chat room and pretend to be a kid. Then the dudes would message the kid and it went from there.

Entrapment would have been if they were reaching out to the guy "Hey im 12 come over and have sex with me"


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God_Of_Entirety
05/22/20 3:20:25 AM
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I4NRulez posted...
They weren't reaching out to the people iirc.
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SomeLikeItHoth
05/22/20 3:20:45 AM
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Yes but who cares. Most of those guys got let off easy, except for one guy who iirc went to jail for several years and is a lifetime sex offender.

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kuwab0
05/22/20 3:21:23 AM
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ChainedRedone
05/22/20 3:27:07 AM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Most of those guys got let off easy

Well they clearly didn't get off hard, or they would have had the time of their life.

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MaverickXeo
05/22/20 3:34:03 AM
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I4NRulez posted...
They weren't reaching out to the people iirc. They would just go in a chat room and pretend to be a kid. Then the dudes would message the kid and it went from there.

Entrapment would have been if they were reaching out to the guy "Hey im 12 come over and have sex with me"

I never understood the legality of entrapment. No one forces a person to commit a crime - why is entrapment considered to be immoral/illegal?

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pegusus123456
05/22/20 3:39:40 AM
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MaverickXeo posted...
I never understood the legality of entrapment. No one forces a person to commit a crime - why is entrapment considered to be immoral/illegal?
Because entrapment is when you do force someone to commit a crime.

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MaverickXeo
05/22/20 3:41:38 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Because entrapment is when you do force someone to commit a crime.

So in that example, that is forcing someone to have sex with a child?

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God_Of_Entirety
05/22/20 3:43:30 AM
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MaverickXeo posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Because entrapment is when you do force someone to commit a crime.

So in that example, that is forcing someone to have sex with a child?

Think about what most of those guys ebd up getting convicted fur..
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pegusus123456
05/22/20 3:44:58 AM
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MaverickXeo posted...
So in that example, that is forcing someone to have sex with a child?
I don't think so, no.

It would be entrapment if they guy said no and then the other person repeatedly harassed him about it.

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MaverickXeo
05/22/20 3:49:41 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
I don't think so, no.

It would be entrapment if they guy said no and then the other person repeatedly harassed him about it.

Even so, the perpetrator has to commit the act. Unless the 'entraper' physically controls the perpetrator, the act is still committed willingly.

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pegusus123456
05/22/20 3:54:50 AM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Even so, the perpetrator has to commit the act. Unless the 'entraper' physically controls the perpetrator, the act is still committed willingly.
Sorry, I thought we were having an actual discussion, not obstinate refusal to change your opinion. My bad.

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Schwarz
05/22/20 3:57:49 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Sorry, I thought we were having an actual discussion, not obstinate refusal to change your opinion. My bad.


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God_Of_Entirety
05/22/20 4:01:56 AM
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YugiNoob
05/22/20 4:02:23 AM
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SomeLikeItHoth
05/22/20 4:03:39 AM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Even so, the perpetrator has to commit the act. Unless the 'entraper' physically controls the perpetrator, the act is still committed willingly.
They did commit an act. They just dont get charged with something worse (statuary rape). They still committed a crime.

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Lost_All_Senses
05/22/20 4:04:27 AM
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Entrapment could take advantage of a mental condition. You're literally opening the door and leading someone through it just to lock them up. It's shady as fuck.

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gasiousbary
05/22/20 4:04:37 AM
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The whole concept of entrapment is just pure b.s. A criminal is a criminal regardless of entrapment.

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thebatz
05/22/20 4:04:46 AM
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No. The people who walked in through the front door willingly made the choice to speak with an underage child for illicit sexual activities. They full well knew what they were doing was illegal.

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SomeLikeItHoth
05/22/20 4:05:04 AM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Entrapment could take advantage of a mental condition. You're literally opening the door and leading someone through it just to lock them up. It's shady as fuck.
More than half of those guys dont even knock, they just walk in.

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gasiousbary
05/22/20 4:05:58 AM
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Anyone who defends pedophiles probably are pedos themselves.

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Lost_All_Senses
05/22/20 4:08:51 AM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
More than half of those guys dont even knock, they just walk in.

More than 75% of people make up statistics on the spot.

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MaverickXeo
05/22/20 4:12:12 AM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Entrapment could take advantage of a mental condition. You're literally opening the door and leading someone through it just to lock them up. It's shady as fuck.

It could, yes, but for most part, those individuals would be able to have it proved in court that such a condition exists through their own testimonies, witnesses, analysts, etc.

...but people DO HAVE free will and are able to make their own choices. If they want to don't want to have sex with a kid, no amount of coercion will make them do so.

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Lost_All_Senses
05/22/20 4:16:14 AM
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MaverickXeo posted...
It could, yes, but for most part, those individuals would be able to have it proved in court that such a condition exists through their own testimonies, witnesses, analysts, etc.

...but people DO HAVE free will and are able to make their own choices. If they want to don't want to have sex with a kid, no amount of coercion will make them do so.

Weird you decided to randomly make this specific again. It was pretty clear this wasn't specifically about pedophiles and this show anymore. Also, you didn't acknowledge the mental condition comment, so I don't really feel an actual response is in order.

Eh, maybe you were still talking about the show, for all I know. But I wasn't.

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thebatz
05/22/20 4:17:39 AM
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totalnerdken posted...
Chris Hansen is a bitch, I dislike Onision but Onision really showed how much of an ass Hansen is.

Hansen wanted to out Onision out as a predator, Onision agreed to it but insisted it had to be live, which for Hansen, you'd think would be a good idea.

But NOPE, Hansen refused to do it unless they just recorded it and could edit it for release. Mf is really willing to let a supposed pedo (we don't know for certain, but let's face it, it's pretty likely) go just because he wanted use editing magic to make Onision look even worse. Not that it's hard to make a pedo look bad as it is, but nope, Hansen wanted to risk those kids lives just to make Onision look worse.

What a fucking piece of shit Hansen is.
Going live is not that simple.
you need both parties to make sure they'll follow the proper guidelines laid out by the fcc on network cable or else fines will be laid out

Plus it's very expensive... you honestly think millions of viewers would tune in live to see onision? It was 100% a nbc decision to not go live not chris hansen

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MaverickXeo
05/22/20 4:19:37 AM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Weird you decided to randomly make this specific again. It was pretty clear this wasn't specifically about pedophiles and this show anymore. Also, you didn't acknowledge the mental condition comment, so I don't really feel an actual response is in order.

Eh, maybe you were still talking about the show, for all I know. But I wasn't.

I did address the mental condition comment? I didn't specify it directly - but the first line in that post was regarding mental condition. The second line was a generalized statement about the general population having the ability to determine their own actions.

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pegusus123456
05/22/20 4:20:45 AM
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I wouldn't trust Onision to go live on twitch, much less NBC.

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MaverickXeo
05/22/20 4:22:37 AM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Weird you decided to randomly make this specific again. It was pretty clear this wasn't specifically about pedophiles and this show anymore. Also, you didn't acknowledge the mental condition comment, so I don't really feel an actual response is in order.

Eh, maybe you were still talking about the show, for all I know. But I wasn't.

I don't understand what you are getting at. Both times I have made generalized statements, preceded by addressing mental conditions.

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thebatz
05/22/20 4:27:09 AM
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totalnerdken posted...
Onision wanted to go live, it's Chris who denied it. It's not like Chris had to try and convince Onision to go live, it was the other way around. The red tape could EASILY have been figured out.

And putting views and income ahead of the safety of kids is pretty disgusting too.

Hansen could have done something here, but he bitched out.
Chris Hansen is just an investigative reporter. He doesn't make decisions regarding the network. There's only a handful of things that go out live: political press conferences / debates, sports, award shows, prime time news and a few others. Live broadcasts are crazy expensive and they need viewership with the ad revenue with commercials.

A minor youtube "celebrity" will not be put on live on a major network. The only live broadcast they'll get is some twitch stream which nbc will not approve because of contract obligations from chris hansen

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pegusus123456
05/22/20 4:46:25 AM
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totalnerdken posted...
You're saying this like it's ok to avoid investigating a predator for these reasons. Here's what we know, he had the resources, he could have investigated, he chose to not do it. He's a bitch.
I don't know why you're putting the onus on Chris Hansen when police departments exist. I imagine his team didn't just throw whatever evidence they had in the trash.

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thebatz
05/22/20 4:47:39 AM
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totalnerdken posted...
You're saying this like it's ok to avoid investigating a predator for these reasons. Here's what we know, he had the resources, he could have investigated, he chose to not do it. He's a bitch.
https://youtu.be/2vExUtFQPoU

I dunno. From this video onision looks like a bitch.
Plus onision has gone dark regarding his allegations of grooming and the ordeal with suing the wrong chris hansen.
What is there left to investigate? Grooming isn't illegal in his state so police can't really do anything. Twitch and patreon both banned him and there's a huge backlash that want to now cancel onision among the masses. In the end onision is the loser

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05/22/20 4:54:02 AM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Yes but who cares. Most of those guys got let off easy, except for one guy who iirc went to jail for several years and is a lifetime sex offender.
One of the guys who got busted killed himself too. Nothing of value was lost.


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