Current Events > Man who filmed Ahmaud Arbery's slaying, arrested on murder charges

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berlyman101
05/21/20 7:12:01 PM
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berlyman101
05/21/20 7:12:33 PM
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damn it I meant to include his name on the topic title which is why I put the comma there.

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Odoylerules
05/21/20 7:12:57 PM
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Fair;next
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UnfairRepresent
05/21/20 7:13:17 PM
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Wut

Why?

He didn't murder anyone..
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ScazarMeltex
05/21/20 7:13:56 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Wut

Why?

He didn't murder anyone..
Neither did Charles Manson. One does not have to directly participate in a murder to be a party to it.

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berlyman101
05/21/20 7:15:26 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Wut

Why?

He didn't murder anyone..

Word on the street is that the full video implicates him as chasing and trapping Arbery with his truck.

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EricDraven59
05/21/20 7:16:45 PM
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Would have to be one of the most dumb humans on earth if you film a murder you are a part of and then turn the video over to the police lol
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Zikten
05/21/20 7:16:50 PM
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he helped. I think I read he took part in blocking the victim from escape
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UnfairRepresent
05/21/20 7:17:39 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...

Neither did Charles Manson. One does not have to directly participate in a murder to be a party to it.

I understand that but did this guy do anything other than film it?
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BatmanWTtP
05/21/20 7:17:57 PM
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Good

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pogo_rabid
05/21/20 7:19:17 PM
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It's almost a shame we're wasting money on trying them.

Stick em in a van and drive it off a bridge.

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RickyTheBAWSE
05/21/20 7:20:00 PM
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EricDraven59 posted...
Would have to be one of the most dumb humans on earth if you film a murder you are a part of and then turn the video over to the police lol


people like that are used to the police being on their side. the old man himself was an ex-cop, so... yeah.
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Ocron83
05/21/20 7:20:34 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I understand that but did this guy do anything other than film it?
You'll defend anything won't you

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UnfairRepresent
05/21/20 7:20:55 PM
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Ocron83 posted...

You'll defend anything won't you

I haven't defended anything.
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Duncanwii
05/21/20 7:21:12 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
It's almost a shame we're wasting money on trying them.

Stick em in a van and drive it off a bridge.
We arent China. Try again.

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Bad_Mojo
05/21/20 7:21:35 PM
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Can anyone explain this story to me, please? I saw the video, once. This is what I saw - I saw a man running up, passed a truck, and got shot. That is murder. Then I heard that he robbed a house. . .so where these people aware of that and were driving around looking for him? Then when they found him, they shot him? That's murder. Then we find out that he didn't take anything.

So. . .what is the debate here? At the worst he stole and ran away with something, that doesn't mean you can just kill him. It's murder all around. So what am I missing?

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VipaGTS
05/21/20 7:21:43 PM
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He was part of the mob chasing after him. He wasn't just randomly there. He was someone who made Arbery feel unsafe because he was chasing him. That was his intent. he just pulled back once he realized the people he was with were actually crazy. I don't know if they can get him on murder (probably why they charged him so highly) but he contributed to the event. The funny thing is his lawyer is the one who released the video that started all this, because he thought it exonerated his client.

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berlyman101
05/21/20 7:22:29 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Can anyone explain this story to me, please? I saw the video, once. This is what I saw - I saw a man running up, passed a truck, and got shot. That is murder. Then I heard that he robbed a house. . .so where these people aware of that and were driving around looking for him? Then when they found him, they shot him? That's murder. Then we find out that he didn't take anything.

So. . .what is the debate here? At the worst he stole and ran away with something, that doesn't mean you can just kill him. It's murder all around. So what am I missing?

Nah you got it.

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pogo_rabid
05/21/20 7:24:16 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
We arent China. Try again.
China does housecalls for that kinda thing.

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Funkydog
05/21/20 7:24:24 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Can anyone explain this story to me, please? I saw the video, once. This is what I saw - I saw a man running up, passed a truck, and got shot. That is murder. Then I heard that he robbed a house. . .so where these people aware of that and were driving around looking for him? Then when they found him, they shot him? That's murder. Then we find out that he didn't take anything.

So. . .what is the debate here? At the worst he stole and ran away with something, that doesn't mean you can just kill him. It's murder all around. So what am I missing?
They saw a black man and made up crimes that hadn't happened and thought he'd done them despite no evidence he was even where they thought he was or doing these things (which again, was no report of and the owner of the supposedly robbed place said had not been robbed) then chased him down and confronted him with guns.

When he reacted like most people would to armed people threatening him they murdered him.

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EricDraven59
05/21/20 7:25:31 PM
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Kevin Gough, an attorney for Bryan, said earlier this week that Bryan had taken a polygraph test that confirmed he was not involved in the shooting.

Oh and its really strange how you can be charged with murder when you didn't even lay a hand on someone. Maybe other charges but murder should not fit
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DarthAragorn
05/21/20 7:26:00 PM
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EricDraven59 posted...
Kevin Gough, an attorney for Bryan, said earlier this week that Bryan had taken a polygraph test that confirmed he was not involved in the shooting.

Oh and its really strange how you can be charged with murder when you didn't even lay a hand on someone. Maybe other charges but murder should not fit

Polygraphs are meaningless
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ScazarMeltex
05/21/20 7:26:54 PM
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EricDraven59 posted...
Kevin Gough, an attorney for Bryan, said earlier this week that Bryan had taken a polygraph test that confirmed he was not involved in the shooting.

Oh and its really strange how you can be charged with murder when you didn't even lay a hand on someone. Maybe other charges but murder should not fit
Polygraphs aren't admissible in court and do you believe then that Charles Manson should not be in jail for murder?

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ChuckSDeuces
05/21/20 7:26:57 PM
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He'll get off on a murder charge.

This is more flimsy than Zimmerman.

These prosecutors need to stop overreaching. These guys need to do time but they're going to blow it like they always do.

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UnfairRepresent
05/21/20 7:27:00 PM
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EricDraven59 posted...
Kevin Gough, an attorney for Bryan, said earlier this week that Bryan had taken a polygraph test that confirmed he was not involved in the shooting.

Oh and its really strange how you can be charged with murder when you didn't even lay a hand on someone. Maybe other charges but murder should not fit

Are they claiming he planned it?

If not I don't get how being nearby makes him a murderer.
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VipaGTS
05/21/20 7:36:57 PM
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Its the same shit they do for cops. this is just the placate the crowd so they can pretend they're doing something. they know it'll take too much to pin murder on him. he might be able to get convicted on a lesser charge, but on murder they'll struggle to do so. then they'll just say "WELP WE TRIED HE HAD A TRIAL" and move on.

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littlebro07
05/21/20 9:22:26 PM
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lol

So he filmed the murder which basically went away for two months, then it started becoming a big deal and he's like "oh I know, I'll provide the video!" and now he and the other two inbred shitfucks are facing murder charges?

Beautiful.

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Bio1590
05/21/20 9:34:36 PM
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I'm pretty sure the police have had the video the entire time and only recently some idiot decided to release it publicly.

Also everyone saying "he can't be charged with murder!" - he can. Georgia law says that if someone is deemed "party to a crime" they are convicted of that crime (ex. murder).
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lord0fmud
05/21/20 9:41:07 PM
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Like the other two he has been over charged.

Does he also have manslaughter charges on him?

This is what they do in police trials. Charge murder and not manslaughter. So hard to prove and they will all walk.

Just get ready. Not guilty unless the feds pick it up for civil rights violations.
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kaliskonig
05/21/20 9:46:21 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Can anyone explain this story to me, please? I saw the video, once. This is what I saw - I saw a man running up, passed a truck, and got shot. That is murder. Then I heard that he robbed a house. . .so where these people aware of that and were driving around looking for him? Then when they found him, they shot him? That's murder. Then we find out that he didn't take anything.

So. . .what is the debate here? At the worst he stole and ran away with something, that doesn't mean you can just kill him. It's murder all around. So what am I missing?
If you are on gamefaqs in a current events forum, your ass can actually google whats going on.

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ViewtifulGrave
05/21/20 9:49:43 PM
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EricDraven59 posted...
Oh and its really strange how you can be charged with murder when you didn't even lay a hand on someone. Maybe other charges but murder should not fit
There was a case a year or so ago where a cop killed someone and the suspect was charged with the murder of his friend.

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UnfairRepresent
05/21/20 9:51:08 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Can anyone explain this story to me, please? I saw the video, once. This is what I saw - I saw a man running up, passed a truck, and got shot. That is murder. Then I heard that he robbed a house. . .so where these people aware of that and were driving around looking for him? Then when they found him, they shot him? That's murder. Then we find out that he didn't take anything.

So. . .what is the debate here? At the worst he stole and ran away with something, that doesn't mean you can just kill him. It's murder all around. So what am I missing?


The "Debate" (and that's putting it generously) is that they were merely trying a legal citizens arrest and then shot him in self-defense because he attacked them and as such commited no crime.

But only their family and absolute cretins are saying that because it makes no fucking sense.
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Zano
05/21/20 9:57:06 PM
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Couple of points

1) Felony murder laws make everyone who participates in a crime responsible for deaths that happen as a result of the crime. You dont have to be the actual trigger man to catch murder charges. In this case, it seems that That the prosecutors deem his chasing the victim down as participation in the crime

2) Jurors often (always?) have the opportunity to vote on both murder and manslaughter during murder trials. So theres really no need to worry about over reaching.

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Bishop9800
05/21/20 9:59:44 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
It's almost a shame we're wasting money on trying them.

Stick em in a van and drive it off a bridge.
this

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De Evolution
05/21/20 9:59:57 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
people like that are used to the police being on their side. the old man himself was an ex-cop, so... yeah.

This.

These racist idiots actually thought they were in the right by chasing down a black citizen on the street to corner him and kidnap him for worst case scenario crime of trespassing.

Which actually looking at houses under construction is pretty common especially if you're familiar with real estate. My mom was a real estate agent and developer growing up and we definitely checked out random homes and had people look at ours.

Was never a big deal.


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Zikten
05/21/20 10:02:28 PM
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if these guys get away with it, there will be riots like never before
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furb
05/21/20 10:18:31 PM
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EricDraven59 posted...
Kevin Gough, an attorney for Bryan, said earlier this week that Bryan had taken a polygraph test that confirmed he was not involved in the shooting.

Oh and its really strange how you can be charged with murder when you didn't even lay a hand on someone. Maybe other charges but murder should not fit

Maybe this has been addressed, but it happens fairly frequently.

I want to note, this is a simplification. Statutes vary by locality and language. They are for lawyers to parse, so I a painting very broadly with the example.

If you and your bro rob a bank. You drive the getaway car. Your bro pops the teller. You drive your buddy out of the place. You can get charged with the murder.

See this

Basically, you knew your actions to rob the bank could reasonably lead to a murder. You assisted in the operation, or aided, or abetted the commission of the murder. Thus, you helped kill somebody and therefore get charged for the murder.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/felony_murder_doctrine

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Bishop9800
05/21/20 10:24:33 PM
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Clunker still defending these POS.

What a shock!!!!!

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emblem boy
05/21/20 10:26:58 PM
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charges of murder and attempted false imprisonment,

The latter seems to make sense right?
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Bio1590
05/21/20 10:38:13 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Im just not sure felony murder qualifies as someone who just very peripherally assisted in a botched citizens arrest. I cant imagine a jury wouldnt be skeptical of that too.

You need to look at Georgia's actual law on the matter

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-16/chapter-2/article-2/16-2-20/

(a) Every person concerned in the commission of a crime is a party thereto and may be charged with and convicted of commission of the crime.

(b) A person is concerned in the commission of a crime only if he:

(1) Directly commits the crime;

(2) Intentionally causes some other person to commit the crime under such circumstances that the other person is not guilty of any crime either in fact or because of legal incapacity;

(3) Intentionally aids or abets in the commission of the crime; or

(4) Intentionally advises, encourages, hires, counsels, or procures another to commit the crime.

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Lorenzo_2003
05/21/20 10:40:49 PM
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ChuckSDeuces posted...
This is more flimsy than Zimmerman.

I disagree because these two (father and son) recorded themselves pursuing Arbery, confronting him in armed fashion and then shooting. None of that applied to Zimmerman, which is why a lot of people get mad that we mostly had just his retelling of the events to consider. We dont have to speculate with Arbery.

Of course trials can be unpredictable, so I admit we cant guarantee a verdict either way.


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Bishop9800
05/21/20 10:50:35 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Heres what I think is going on...


stopped reading right there

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Siaperaz
05/21/20 11:03:02 PM
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Pathetic accusations here. The police should focus on the other two and stop trying to frame an innocent scapegoat.

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Tyranthraxus
05/21/20 11:10:26 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
I'm pretty sure the police have had the video the entire time and only recently some idiot decided to release it publicly.

Also everyone saying "he can't be charged with murder!" - he can. Georgia law says that if someone is deemed "party to a crime" they are convicted of that crime (ex. murder).
It's called Felony Murder.

If someone dies for any reason during the commission of a felony that you're involved with in any way, you're guilty of murder.

If you break into a house and grandma inside suddenly dies of a heart attack, that's murder. If you're running away from the police and they shoot and miss and kill an innocent bystander, you're guilty of murder.

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Tyranthraxus
05/21/20 11:13:36 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Think of it this way...

Youre in the store and someone yells, shoplifter, stop him! You stand in front of an isle and the guy running goes down another isle where hes shot by a lunatic with a gun. Are you a party to murder?

I'm not stopping a shoplifter. Police can get my affidavit later.

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