Board 8 > Bernie supporters, who are you voting for?

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PrinceReva 05/19/20 9:22:02 PM #51:	foolm0r0n posted... He has the D next to his name, that's his platform. Christ man be a 3rd party voter, but don't be a child. It's embarrassing and why people who are cheering for the 2016 status quo to come back still are able to feel superior to you. Trump is the opposite of this. Yet he has the R next to his name, which means he automatically has a base, AND gets to decide what the base believes. He's used that to change what his base supports, but it has not really changed WHO his base is. This is an absurd, reductionist assessment and I don't subscribe to it. The platform, the policy platform that he is supposed to stump on and be his message of what he hopes to do as President, is not "D". The D is his political party. That party is supposed to stand for something and represent like-minded interests. Lots of people liked Bernie because his platform was clear and he wanted to help the working class with the programs he proposed. Joe doesn't have much of a platform, he has platitudes. As for Trump, the guy who gave billionaires a huge tax break within his first two years, cut tons of business regulations and did away with much of the EPA just to name a few things, indeed has that R next to his name. Every rollback of regulation, each government program cut, and every worker protection stripped is red meat to that R base. He's wildly popular within the party for those very reasons. --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939419275] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite> <quote>He has the D next to his name, that's his platform. Christ man be a 3rd party voter, but don't be a child. It's embarrassing and why people who are cheering for the 2016 status quo to come back still are able to feel superior to you. Trump is the opposite of this. Yet he has the R next to his name, which means he automatically has a base, AND gets to decide what the base believes. He's used that to change what his base supports, but it has not really changed WHO his base is.</quote> This is an absurd, reductionist assessment and I don't subscribe to it. The platform, the policy platform that he is supposed to stump on and be his message of what he hopes to do as President, is not "D". The D is his political party. That party is supposed to stand for something and represent like-minded interests. Lots of people liked Bernie because his platform was clear and he wanted to help the working class with the programs he proposed. Joe doesn't have much of a platform, he has platitudes. As for Trump, the guy who gave billionaires a huge tax break within his first two years, cut tons of business regulations and did away with much of the EPA just to name a few things, indeed has that R next to his name. Every rollback of regulation, each government program cut, and every worker protection stripped is red meat to that R base. He's wildly popular within the party for those very reasons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 9:25:08 PM #52:	Actually Warren tried to have more specific policy than Bernie and they still hated her. The idea that people want specifics is just laughable. People don't want specifics, they just want a broader direction that they can understand. Also they clearly didn't want Bernie. He struggled to make any gains over 2016(And gains he made were accompanied by losses in support elsewhere). --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939419395] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>Actually Warren tried to have more specific policy than Bernie and they still hated her. The idea that people want specifics is just laughable. People don't want specifics, they just want a broader direction that they can understand. Also they clearly didn't want Bernie. He struggled to make any gains over 2016(And gains he made were accompanied by losses in support elsewhere). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 05/19/20 9:32:54 PM #53:	I mean, you were literally linked Joe's platform earlier in this topic. It sounds like what you're actually demanding is that he have a central "thing" like M4A for Bernie or UBI for Yang. Biden has made the focus of his campaign restoring decency and competence to the White House (which I don't think is a bad message given that we currently have a president massively fucking up a pandemic response), but he does have well defined positions on all of the big issues. --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:939419739] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>I mean, you were literally linked Joe's platform earlier in this topic. It sounds like what you're actually demanding is that he have a central "thing" like M4A for Bernie or UBI for Yang. Biden has made the focus of his campaign restoring decency and competence to the White House (which I don't think is a bad message given that we currently have a president massively fucking up a pandemic response), but he does have well defined positions on all of the big issues. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 9:37:43 PM #54:	PrinceReva posted... This is an absurd, reductionist assessment and I don't subscribe to it. Also you can not subscribe to it but its just a fact. The Republican base falls in line. Democrats are prone to voting third party or "voting for the other guy". There is a group of middle ground independents that could go either way. But Democrats are in a constant battle of entitlement where various bases of their party don't show up to vote because they didn't get exactly what they want or that decide they are going to vote for someone else. And no, its not a "progressive" thing. If they bow to the progressives, all the "moderates" will work the same way. And right now, the old people are more moderate, and there are more of them that vote than "young progressives" by a significant amount. So no, the Democratic party cant just bow down to the far left wing and expect to actually win. The primary pretty much showcased this as a fact. We know the future of the party is progressive, but we arent at that point yet. The Democratic party is determined to eat itself while Republicans "love the uneducated" all the way to victory. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939419979] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>This is an absurd, reductionist assessment and I don't subscribe to it.</quote> Also you can not subscribe to it but its just a fact. The Republican base falls in line. Democrats are prone to voting third party or "voting for the other guy". There is a group of middle ground independents that could go either way. But Democrats are in a constant battle of entitlement where various bases of their party don't show up to vote because they didn't get exactly what they want or that decide they are going to vote for someone else. And no, its not a "progressive" thing. If they bow to the progressives, all the "moderates" will work the same way. And right now, the old people are more moderate, and there are more of them that vote than "young progressives" by a significant amount. So no, the Democratic party cant just bow down to the far left wing and expect to actually win. The primary pretty much showcased this as a fact. We know the future of the party is progressive, but we arent at that point yet. The Democratic party is determined to eat itself while Republicans "love the uneducated" all the way to victory. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uglyface2 05/19/20 10:05:36 PM #55:	You can take everything you just said about Republicans and Democrats, switch the parties, and find posts just like it in conservative message boards. Youre not so different from the people you want to demonize, because theyre saying the exact same things you do. <cite>Uglyface2 posted [p:939421130] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>You can take everything you just said about Republicans and Democrats, switch the parties, and find posts just like it in conservative message boards. Youre not so different from the people you want to demonize, because theyre saying the exact same things you do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 10:07:45 PM #56:	Uglyface2 posted... You can take everything you just said about Republicans and Democrats, switch the parties, and find posts just like it in conservative message boards. Youre not so different from the people you want to demonize, because theyre saying the exact same things you do. mine? because the actual voting data doesn't back that up. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939421223] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>Uglyface2 posted... </cite> <quote>You can take everything you just said about Republicans and Democrats, switch the parties, and find posts just like it in conservative message boards. Youre not so different from the people you want to demonize, because theyre saying the exact same things you do.</quote> mine? because the actual voting data doesn't back that up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 10:08:32 PM #57:	It hasn't since Ross Perot, anyway. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939421254] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>It hasn't since Ross Perot, anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/19/20 10:23:56 PM #58:	red13n posted... Actually Warren tried to have more specific policy than Bernie and they still hated her. They hated her because she's backed away from all of her strongest positions and showed herself to have no real principles. She loves to call herself progressive and then kneecap legitimate progressive movement (See her endorsement today of Nadler over his progressive, woman opponent.) LordoftheMorons posted... Biden has made the focus of his campaign restoring decency and competence to the White House, but he does have well defined positions on all of the big issues. That's not a policy, that's a slogan they had to adopt after they realized "No Malarkey" was going to leave him as an unserious candidate. His policy plans, in my view, are vastly inadequate and do not meet the moment. Aiming for net-zero carbon by 2050 is 20 years too late. Supporting the coup in Venezuela is a no-go. Maintaining the wars in the middle-east, no thanks. Leaving 10 million people uninsured/underinsured while the rest of the industrialized world recognizes how insane that is, laughable if not so cruel. This is what "nothing will fundamentally change (for billionaires)" looks like in policy, and is exactly what led to Trump's election in the first place. red13n posted... Also you can not subscribe to it but its just a fact. The Republican base falls in line. Democrats are prone to voting third party or "voting for the other guy". There is a group of middle ground independents that could go either way. But Democrats are in a constant battle of entitlement where various bases of their party don't show up to vote because they didn't get exactly what they want or that decide they are going to vote for someone else. And no, its not a "progressive" thing. If they bow to the progressives, all the "moderates" will work the same way. And right now, the old people are more moderate, and there are more of them that vote than "young progressives" by a significant amount. So no, the Democratic party cant just bow down to the far left wing and expect to actually win. The primary pretty much showcased this as a fact. We know the future of the party is progressive, but we arent at that point yet. The Democratic party is determined to eat itself while Republicans "love the uneducated" all the way to victory. The Republican base "falls in line" because they play to that base. The Democrat Party, instead of trying to court and excite the other side of that spectrum, actually tries to get the Republican base's less enthusiastic constituents, alienating millions of potential voters and duping millions of other "Blue no matter who" rubes. This is their problem and why they're nothing more than controlled opposition. They're paid to lose. Medicare for All is an overwhelmingly popular proposal among Democrats and Independents, but they won't run with it because they love taking money from the insurance companies and pharmaceutical industry. Student debt relief would be a massive boon to the economy, but it's a pipe dream. The rest of the world understands the benefit of these programs, but we eat the shit sandwich because "This is what people voted for and wanted". Sure they did. Also, there's a good argument to be made that a winning majority of Independent voters could be that "far left wing" that Democrats love to take for granted. After all, Bernie Sanders is perhaps the most famous Independent American politician in the last 30 years, and many have entered/exited the party as independents based on his Presidential candidacy. --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939421908] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>Actually Warren tried to have more specific policy than Bernie and they still hated her.</quote> They hated her because she's backed away from all of her strongest positions and showed herself to have no real principles. She loves to call herself progressive and then kneecap legitimate progressive movement (See her endorsement today of Nadler over his progressive, woman opponent.) LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Biden has made the focus of his campaign restoring decency and competence to the White House, but he does have well defined positions on all of the big issues.</quote> That's not a policy, that's a slogan they had to adopt after they realized "No Malarkey" was going to leave him as an unserious candidate. His policy plans, in my view, are vastly inadequate and do not meet the moment. Aiming for net-zero carbon by 2050 is 20 years too late. Supporting the coup in Venezuela is a no-go. Maintaining the wars in the middle-east, no thanks. Leaving 10 million people uninsured/underinsured while the rest of the industrialized world recognizes how insane that is, laughable if not so cruel. This is what "nothing will fundamentally change (for billionaires)" looks like in policy, and is exactly what led to Trump's election in the first place. red13n posted... </cite> <quote>Also you can not subscribe to it but its just a fact. The Republican base falls in line. Democrats are prone to voting third party or "voting for the other guy". There is a group of middle ground independents that could go either way. But Democrats are in a constant battle of entitlement where various bases of their party don't show up to vote because they didn't get exactly what they want or that decide they are going to vote for someone else. And no, its not a "progressive" thing. If they bow to the progressives, all the "moderates" will work the same way. And right now, the old people are more moderate, and there are more of them that vote than "young progressives" by a significant amount. So no, the Democratic party cant just bow down to the far left wing and expect to actually win. The primary pretty much showcased this as a fact. We know the future of the party is progressive, but we arent at that point yet. The Democratic party is determined to eat itself while Republicans "love the uneducated" all the way to victory.</quote> The Republican base "falls in line" because they play to that base. The Democrat Party, instead of trying to court and excite the other side of that spectrum, actually tries to get the Republican base's less enthusiastic constituents, alienating millions of potential voters and duping millions of other "Blue no matter who" rubes. This is their problem and why they're nothing more than controlled opposition. They're paid to lose. Medicare for All is an overwhelmingly popular proposal among Democrats and Independents, but they won't run with it because they love taking money from the insurance companies and pharmaceutical industry. Student debt relief would be a massive boon to the economy, but it's a pipe dream. The rest of the world understands the benefit of these programs, but we eat the shit sandwich because "This is what people voted for and wanted". Sure they did. Also, there's a good argument to be made that a winning majority of Independent voters could be that "far left wing" that Democrats love to take for granted. After all, Bernie Sanders is perhaps the most famous Independent American politician in the last 30 years, and many have entered/exited the party as independents based on his Presidential candidacy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 10:28:09 PM #59:	PrinceReva posted... Also, there's a good argument to be made that a winning majority of Independent voters could be that "far left wing" that Democrats love to take for granted. After all, Bernie Sanders is perhaps the most famous Independent American politician in the last 30 years, and many have entered/exited the party as independents based on his Presidential candidacy. This take is just factually wrong. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939422089] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>Also, there's a good argument to be made that a winning majority of Independent voters could be that "far left wing" that Democrats love to take for granted. After all, Bernie Sanders is perhaps the most famous Independent American politician in the last 30 years, and many have entered/exited the party as independents based on his Presidential candidacy.</quote> This take is just factually wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 10:33:51 PM #60:	And again, Bernie Sanders, while I support his policies, clearly wasn't the answer here. He did not invoke any excitement like people are trying to claim. He excited his base which was stagnant cycle to cycle. Old people came out in large numbers as basically a repudiation because his campaign strategy really relied on ignoring them. Do I wish old people voted differently? Damn right. But we aren't old enough to have the power they wield yet. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939422306] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>And again, Bernie Sanders, while I support his policies, clearly wasn't the answer here. He did not invoke any excitement like people are trying to claim. He excited his base which was stagnant cycle to cycle. Old people came out in large numbers as basically a repudiation because his campaign strategy really relied on ignoring them. Do I wish old people voted differently? Damn right. But we aren't old enough to have the power they wield yet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/19/20 10:37:05 PM #61:	red13n posted... This take is just factually wrong. Well, I said there's an argument to be made. I am an independent. The most progressive Senator in my lifetime not named Mike Gravel is an Independent. Most unaffiliated voters I know backed Bernie. There are plenty of anecdotes to suggest he has broad appeal across the spectrum (Fox News town hall proposal popularity, Joe Rogan "endorsement") which makes it easy to think independents might share his views as well. I'm just providing supporting arguments though, which is a bit long winded when I could just say "The take is not factually wrong". --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939422457] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>This take is just factually wrong.</quote> Well, I said there's an argument to be made. I am an independent. The most progressive Senator in my lifetime not named Mike Gravel is an Independent. Most unaffiliated voters I know backed Bernie. There are plenty of anecdotes to suggest he has broad appeal across the spectrum (Fox News town hall proposal popularity, Joe Rogan "endorsement") which makes it easy to think independents might share his views as well. I'm just providing supporting arguments though, which is a bit long winded when I could just say "The take is not factually wrong". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uglyface2 05/19/20 10:40:35 PM #62:	red13n posted... mine? because the actual voting data doesn't back that up. Yes, yours. Disaffected Republicans vote Libertarian. They say Democrats fall into line where the Republicans either no-show at the polls or succumb to infighting. A lot of us wondered why in the hell we got Trump in 2016 when there were eminently qualified candidates who were otherwise passed over. We're sticking by him in 2020 the same way a lot of you stuck by Obama in 2012, because some of us think he's the messiah while others just don't want the other guy in. You really aren't that different. It's all human behavior. <cite>Uglyface2 posted [p:939422579] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>mine? because the actual voting data doesn't back that up.</quote> Yes, yours. Disaffected Republicans vote Libertarian. They say Democrats fall into line where the Republicans either no-show at the polls or succumb to infighting. A lot of us wondered why in the hell we got Trump in 2016 when there were eminently qualified candidates who were otherwise passed over. We're sticking by him in 2020 the same way a lot of you stuck by Obama in 2012, because some of us think he's the messiah while others just don't want the other guy in. You really aren't that different. It's all human behavior. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/19/20 10:43:09 PM #63:	red13n posted... And again, Bernie Sanders, while I support his policies, clearly wasn't the answer here. He did not invoke any excitement like people are trying to claim. He excited his base which was stagnant cycle to cycle. Old people came out in large numbers as basically a repudiation because his campaign strategy really relied on ignoring them. Do I wish old people voted differently? Damn right. But we aren't old enough to have the power they wield yet. Now, THIS is factually incorrect. His strategy was bringing his campaign to the people and explaining how it would work for them. Old people were set to get better Social Security, better medical benefits, and a planet their grandkids could realistically live on. He had the largest volunteer network of any candidate and they called more phones, delivered more leaflets and knocked on more doors than I care to check. Joe Biden wasn't filling stadiums, and until everyone dropped out he wasn't finishing above fourth most of the time. We can only go with the narrative we're given, but there's nothing except for likely cooked election results that suggests that Bernie didn't excite people. --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939422670] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>And again, Bernie Sanders, while I support his policies, clearly wasn't the answer here. He did not invoke any excitement like people are trying to claim. He excited his base which was stagnant cycle to cycle. Old people came out in large numbers as basically a repudiation because his campaign strategy really relied on ignoring them. Do I wish old people voted differently? Damn right. But we aren't old enough to have the power they wield yet.</quote> Now, THIS is factually incorrect. His strategy was bringing his campaign to the people and explaining how it would work for them. Old people were set to get better Social Security, better medical benefits, and a planet their grandkids could realistically live on. He had the largest volunteer network of any candidate and they called more phones, delivered more leaflets and knocked on more doors than I care to check. Joe Biden wasn't filling stadiums, and until everyone dropped out he wasn't finishing above fourth most of the time. We can only go with the narrative we're given, but there's nothing except for likely cooked election results that suggests that Bernie didn't excite people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 10:43:47 PM #64:	I mean, I'm not saying it "doesn't happen", but the data consistently shows it happens more to Democrats than it does to Republicans. The Republican solid base is larger. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939422689] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>I mean, I'm not saying it "doesn't happen", but the data consistently shows it happens more to Democrats than it does to Republicans. The Republican solid base is larger. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/19/20 10:48:21 PM #65:	red13n posted... I mean, I'm not saying it "doesn't happen", but the data consistently shows it happens more to Democrats than it does to Republicans. The Republican solid base is larger. But didn't Johnson/Weld get more votes than Stein/Baraka? Also Johnson got more votes than Stein in 2012. I think the narrative is just that "Green Party cost us the election!" every time Dems lose because they feel entitled to those votes. --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939422883] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, I'm not saying it "doesn't happen", but the data consistently shows it happens more to Democrats than it does to Republicans. The Republican solid base is larger.</quote> But didn't Johnson/Weld get more votes than Stein/Baraka? Also Johnson got more votes than Stein in 2012. I think the narrative is just that "Green Party cost us the election!" every time Dems lose because they feel entitled to those votes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 05/19/20 10:49:20 PM #66:	PrinceReva posted... This is an absurd, reductionist assessment and I don't subscribe to it. Are you 5 getting told Santa doesn't exist? It's impressive how the 2 party machine is able to convince a "staunch independent" to parrot all their propaganda. Read your post again and tell me a Trump supporter wouldn't be cheering hearing you talk about him. And it's all wrong, stories from the playbook. (Actually Trump DID do some real tax cuts with QPI and the doubled deduction. All those savings were obliterated by all his financial disasters, but it was still something.) --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = azuarc <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:939422923] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>This is an absurd, reductionist assessment and I don't subscribe to it.</quote>Are you 5 getting told Santa doesn't exist? It's impressive how the 2 party machine is able to convince a "staunch independent" to parrot all their propaganda. Read your post again and tell me a Trump supporter wouldn't be cheering hearing you talk about him. And it's all wrong, stories from the playbook. (Actually Trump DID do some real tax cuts with QPI and the doubled deduction. All those savings were obliterated by all his financial disasters, but it was still something.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 05/19/20 10:51:58 PM #67:	PrinceReva posted... Joe Biden wasn't filling stadiums, and until everyone dropped out he wasn't finishing above fourth most of the time. We can only go with the narrative we're given, but there's nothing except for likely cooked election results that suggests that Bernie didn't excite people. The bolded part is untrue. He finished fourth in Iowa and New Hampshire, sure, but he was second in Nevada and then first in South Carolina with the biggest win up until that point. And the "until everyone dropped out" is pointless because if Bernie can only win when there are candidates to siphon votes from Biden, then that doesn't mean anything. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:939423010] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>Joe Biden wasn't filling stadiums, and until everyone dropped out he wasn't finishing above fourth most of the time. We can only go with the narrative we're given, but there's nothing except for likely cooked election results that suggests that Bernie didn't excite people.</quote> The bolded part is untrue. He finished fourth in Iowa and New Hampshire, sure, but he was second in Nevada and then first in South Carolina with the biggest win up until that point. And the "until everyone dropped out" is pointless because if Bernie can only win when there are candidates to siphon votes from Biden, then that doesn't mean anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 10:52:09 PM #68:	PrinceReva posted... Now, THIS is factually incorrect. His strategy was bringing his campaign to the people and explaining how it would work for them. No it wasn't. His targetted advertising was horrible, his ads featured armies of young people and weren't particularly representative of the voting electorate. His focus was entirely on the young voting block, he surrounded himself with them. There was very little outreach made to the old, he had policies for them laid out but rarely if ever made them a focus. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939423016] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote> Now, THIS is factually incorrect. His strategy was bringing his campaign to the people and explaining how it would work for them.</quote> No it wasn't. His targetted advertising was horrible, his ads featured armies of young people and weren't particularly representative of the voting electorate. His focus was entirely on the young voting block, he surrounded himself with them. There was very little outreach made to the old, he had policies for them laid out but rarely if ever made them a focus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/19/20 11:03:25 PM #69:	foolm0r0n posted... It's impressive how the 2 party machine is able to convince a "staunch independent" to parrot all their propaganda. Read your post again and tell me a Trump supporter wouldn't be cheering hearing you talk about him. And it's all wrong, stories from the playbook. (Actually Trump DID do some real tax cuts with QPI and the doubled deduction. All those savings were obliterated by all his financial disasters, but it was still something.) "Trump supporter cheers when non-affiliate notes how President Trump has passed legislation hurting the most vulnerable, just as the base asked for." Is this supposed to be shameful, or what? I don't care that his supporters applaud what they call his accomplishments. I care that there's no real opposition to him as the Democratic party leaders give him an expanded Patriot Act, more war powers and an increased military budget. Yeah, his economic gains have been shot due to his brilliant ineptitude, big surprise. You can bet there'll be plenty more of that to come. But don't try and tell me I'm wrong https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/482352-trump-budget-slashes-funding-for-epa-environmental-programs about stuff that's been everywhere https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/tracking-deregulation-in-the-trump-era/ --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939423476] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite> <quote>It's impressive how the 2 party machine is able to convince a "staunch independent" to parrot all their propaganda. Read your post again and tell me a Trump supporter wouldn't be cheering hearing you talk about him. And it's all wrong, stories from the playbook. (Actually Trump DID do some real tax cuts with QPI and the doubled deduction. All those savings were obliterated by all his financial disasters, but it was still something.)</quote> "Trump supporter cheers when non-affiliate notes how President Trump has passed legislation hurting the most vulnerable, just as the base asked for." Is this supposed to be shameful, or what? I don't care that his supporters applaud what they call his accomplishments. I care that there's no real opposition to him as the Democratic party leaders give him an expanded Patriot Act, more war powers and an increased military budget. Yeah, his economic gains have been shot due to his brilliant ineptitude, big surprise. You can bet there'll be plenty more of that to come. But don't try and tell me I'm wrong https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/482352-trump-budget-slashes-funding-for-epa-environmental-programs about stuff that's been everywhere https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/tracking-deregulation-in-the-trump-era/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 05/19/20 11:06:06 PM #70:	Since it was brought up earlier, a reminder that policy statements on a website are less that worthless. All that matters is what the individual says out loud on TV and in the public, with eyes on them. <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:939423602] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>Since it was brought up earlier, a reminder that policy statements on a website are less that worthless. All that matters is what the individual says out loud on TV and in the public, with eyes on them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 11:10:54 PM #71:	PrinceReva posted... But don't try and tell me I'm wrong No one is trying to tell you that you are wrong. People will try to tell you that a solution of giving Trump 4 more years is actively counterproductive to your issues. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939423790] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>But don't try and tell me I'm wrong</quote> No one is trying to tell you that you are wrong. People will try to tell you that a solution of giving Trump 4 more years is actively counterproductive to your issues. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/19/20 11:13:24 PM #72:	red13n posted... No it wasn't. His targetted advertising was horrible, his ads featured armies of young people and weren't particularly representative of the voting electorate. His focus was entirely on the young voting block, he surrounded himself with them. There was very little outreach made to the old, he had policies for them laid out but rarely if ever made them a focus. He literally went after Joe Biden for a month about Social Security and how he would strengthen it while Joe has advocated for cutting it several times in his career. Coupled with M4A including hearing aids and glasses, if those aren't "Hey, old people, vote for me" positions, then I've gotta spend more time at Bingo nights with my nana. The youth turnout was the X-factor for a general election because they rarely vote. After seeing voter disenfranchisement to the tune of reduced polling locations in specifically young and minority-heavy counties, it would seem turnout wasn't so much the issue as was systemic disenfranchisement. ( https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2020/03/31/coronavirus-milwaukee-voting-sites-cut-180-fewer-than-12/5099739002/ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/reports-show-texas-rapidly-reduced-number-of-polling-sites-in-black-and-latino-communities_n_5e5e942cc5b67ed38b397192 ) --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939423882] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>No it wasn't. His targetted advertising was horrible, his ads featured armies of young people and weren't particularly representative of the voting electorate. His focus was entirely on the young voting block, he surrounded himself with them. There was very little outreach made to the old, he had policies for them laid out but rarely if ever made them a focus.</quote> He literally went after Joe Biden for a month about Social Security and how he would strengthen it while Joe has advocated for cutting it several times in his career. Coupled with M4A including hearing aids and glasses, if those aren't "Hey, old people, vote for me" positions, then I've gotta spend more time at Bingo nights with my nana. The youth turnout was the X-factor for a general election because they rarely vote. After seeing voter disenfranchisement to the tune of reduced polling locations in specifically young and minority-heavy counties, it would seem turnout wasn't so much the issue as was systemic disenfranchisement. ( https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2020/03/31/coronavirus-milwaukee-voting-sites-cut-180-fewer-than-12/5099739002/ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/reports-show-texas-rapidly-reduced-number-of-polling-sites-in-black-and-latino-communities_n_5e5e942cc5b67ed38b397192 ) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 11:14:18 PM #73:	I mean, we know the Democratic party is going to become more progressive. You know how we know? Because all those old people are going to die out first. But the more you actively fuck things like the Supreme Court and the more you enable people like Trump to fuck with the regulations, the harder its going to be to fix things when the old people die out and we finally have the control we have been destined to have over the country since our birth. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939423926] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>I mean, we know the Democratic party is going to become more progressive. You know how we know? Because all those old people are going to die out first. But the more you actively fuck things like the Supreme Court and the more you enable people like Trump to fuck with the regulations, the harder its going to be to fix things when the old people die out and we finally have the control we have been destined to have over the country since our birth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 11:15:46 PM #74:	Joe Biden does not advocate for cutting social security at all. The voters arent stupid to buy into old policy from 30 years ago to apply it to today. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939423981] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>Joe Biden does not advocate for cutting social security at all. The voters arent stupid to buy into old policy from 30 years ago to apply it to today. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 05/19/20 11:17:04 PM #75:	Bidens actually polling ahead with voters over 65 now, too Might have something to do with Trump offering them up as human sacrifices for the economy, but still --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:939424030] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>Bidens actually polling ahead with voters over 65 now, too Might have something to do with Trump offering them up as human sacrifices for the economy, but still </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 11:21:06 PM #76:	PrinceReva posted... ( https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2020/03/31/coronavirus-milwaukee-voting-sites-cut-180-fewer-than-12/5099739002/ Do I have to tell you what is wrong with your stance on this one? honestly it is so obvious I don't think its worth my time. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939424202] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote> ( https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2020/03/31/coronavirus-milwaukee-voting-sites-cut-180-fewer-than-12/5099739002/</quote> Do I have to tell you what is wrong with your stance on this one? honestly it is so obvious I don't think its worth my time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColZach 05/19/20 11:27:23 PM #77:	Biden. i hate knowing a rapist wins no matter what. <cite>ColZach posted [p:939424422] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>Biden. i hate knowing a rapist wins no matter what. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 05/19/20 11:28:11 PM #78:	And as was shown today in my good ol home state of GA, nothing really matters at all because Rs will cheat when they're down. <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:939424450] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>And as was shown today in my good ol home state of GA, nothing really matters at all because Rs will cheat when they're down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/19/20 11:31:16 PM #79:	red13n posted... No one is trying to tell you that you are wrong. People will try to tell you that a solution of giving Trump 4 more years is actively counterproductive to your issues. fool actually did say "And it's all wrong" about what I had said, which is why I did that. And the only people giving Trump 4 more years are the buffoons who thought Joe Biden was going to win in an election against him. There are marginally substantive policy differences between them. Joe Biden has absolutely advocated for cutting Social Security as recently as 2018. ( https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/) And people have been told to "Wait for progress" for damn near sixty years now. MLK had plenty to say about the white moderate and being told to wait for a more convenient season. It's long past time and I'm not surrendering my vote to someone who has no interest in furthering my causes or fighting for people like me. While 4 more years of Trump will suck, it would suck worse to go back to what led to Trump in the first place and then turn over the keys again to someone just as evil but far more competent. --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939424561] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>No one is trying to tell you that you are wrong. People will try to tell you that a solution of giving Trump 4 more years is actively counterproductive to your issues.</quote> fool actually did say "And it's all wrong" about what I had said, which is why I did that. And the only people giving Trump 4 more years are the buffoons who thought Joe Biden was going to win in an election against him. There are marginally substantive policy differences between them. Joe Biden has absolutely advocated for cutting Social Security as recently as 2018. ( https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/) And people have been told to "Wait for progress" for damn near sixty years now. MLK had plenty to say about the white moderate and being told to wait for a more convenient season. It's long past time and I'm not surrendering my vote to someone who has no interest in furthering my causes or fighting for people like me. While 4 more years of Trump will suck, it would suck worse to go back to what led to Trump in the first place and then turn over the keys again to someone just as evil but far more competent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/19/20 11:32:59 PM #80:	red13n posted... Do I have to tell you what is wrong with your stance on this one? honestly it is so obvious I don't think its worth my time. Well, if it has to do with a pandemic, there may have been other ways to conduct this primary, or have postponed it. If you're thinking "Bernie suspended by that time" then you have no care whatsoever for the Democratic process. If I'm missing it, then I'll take the bump. --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939424619] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>Do I have to tell you what is wrong with your stance on this one? honestly it is so obvious I don't think its worth my time.</quote> Well, if it has to do with a pandemic, there may have been other ways to conduct this primary, or have postponed it. If you're thinking "Bernie suspended by that time" then you have no care whatsoever for the Democratic process. If I'm missing it, then I'll take the bump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 05/19/20 11:35:47 PM #81:	PrinceReva posted... While 4 more years of Trump will suck, it would suck worse to go back to what led to Trump in the first place and then turn over the keys again to someone just as evil but far more competent. Doubling down on accelerationism after this clusterfuck of an administration sure is a take --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:939424709] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>While 4 more years of Trump will suck, it would suck worse to go back to what led to Trump in the first place and then turn over the keys again to someone just as evil but far more competent.</quote> Doubling down on accelerationism after this clusterfuck of an administration sure is a take </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 11:37:32 PM #82:	PrinceReva posted... Well, if it has to do with a pandemic, there may have been other ways to conduct this primary, or have postponed it. If you're thinking "Bernie suspended by that time" then you have no care whatsoever for the Democratic process. If I'm missing it, then I'll take the bump. He suspended the next day I believe. But even with that Biden pulled in more votes in Wisconsin than Bernie got in 2016. There was no way Bernie was competing with Biden even with full capacity running(Keep in mind, this cost votes for both of them). The old people, in the middle of a pandemic, basically went out and showed they were excited for Biden. Are they dumb for going out in a pandemic? Yeah. But still. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939424753] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>Well, if it has to do with a pandemic, there may have been other ways to conduct this primary, or have postponed it. If you're thinking "Bernie suspended by that time" then you have no care whatsoever for the Democratic process. If I'm missing it, then I'll take the bump.</quote> He suspended the next day I believe. But even with that Biden pulled in more votes in Wisconsin than Bernie got in 2016. There was no way Bernie was competing with Biden even with full capacity running(Keep in mind, this cost votes for both of them). The old people, in the middle of a pandemic, basically went out and showed they were excited for Biden. Are they dumb for going out in a pandemic? Yeah. But still. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/19/20 11:37:56 PM #83:	LordoftheMorons posted... Doubling down on accelerationism after this clusterfuck of an administration sure is a take Learning nothing from the past and insisting this time will be different (forever and ever) seems to be a more popular one. --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939424772] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Doubling down on accelerationism after this clusterfuck of an administration sure is a take</quote> Learning nothing from the past and insisting this time will be different (forever and ever) seems to be a more popular one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/19/20 11:41:34 PM #84:	red13n posted... He suspended the next day I believe. But even with that Biden pulled in more votes in Wisconsin than Bernie got in 2016. There was no way Bernie was competing with Biden even with full capacity running(Keep in mind, this cost votes for both of them). The old people, in the middle of a pandemic, basically went out and showed they were excited for Biden. Are they dumb for going out in a pandemic? Yeah. But still. I think in a normal year, no pandemic, with no reduction of polling stations, Bernie wins. Just like I think he wins MA if Warren didn't stick around to come in 3rd in her home state. Just like I think he would have won Texas if not for the poll problems there. Again, this is all assuming the vote totals are on the up and up and not at all fixed. --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939424883] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>He suspended the next day I believe. But even with that Biden pulled in more votes in Wisconsin than Bernie got in 2016. There was no way Bernie was competing with Biden even with full capacity running(Keep in mind, this cost votes for both of them). The old people, in the middle of a pandemic, basically went out and showed they were excited for Biden. Are they dumb for going out in a pandemic? Yeah. But still.</quote> I think in a normal year, no pandemic, with no reduction of polling stations, Bernie wins. Just like I think he wins MA if Warren didn't stick around to come in 3rd in her home state. Just like I think he would have won Texas if not for the poll problems there. Again, this is all assuming the vote totals are on the up and up and not at all fixed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 11:41:36 PM #85:	PrinceReva posted... Learning nothing from the past and insisting this time will be different (forever and ever) seems to be a more popular one. you are the one advocating to ignore the past. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939424884] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>Learning nothing from the past and insisting this time will be different (forever and ever) seems to be a more popular one.</quote> you are the one advocating to ignore the past. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/19/20 11:42:24 PM #86:	PrinceReva posted... Again, this is all assuming the vote totals are on the up and up and not at all fixed. I mean, if you are going to go full conspiracy, we are done here. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939424913] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>Again, this is all assuming the vote totals are on the up and up and not at all fixed.</quote> I mean, if you are going to go full conspiracy, we are done here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/19/20 11:55:35 PM #87:	red13n posted... you are the one advocating to ignore the past. This isn't true, and I wish you'd clarify your dead-end one line responses. The past is Obama had a supermajority and used it to pass a republican health care bill, get us into more war and build the immigrant cages people love to be outraged about now. "Let's do that again" isn't a winning message. "Vote for this jerk so we can get progress later" has been the Democratic rally since I've been sentient and never leads to progress. red13n posted... I mean, if you are going to go full conspiracy, we are done here. By every tangible metric aside from those fed to you by media outlets, Bernie had the energy and excitement of a political movement. Most donors, most volunteers, biggest crowds at rallies, most diverse base, etc. He had won the first three primary/caucuses which no Dem candidate had done in my lifetime (maybe ever? I forget) and the media was in a full panic about it. I don't believe for any amount of time that the party who went to court to defend their right to pick anyone they want in spite of any votes was impartial to the guy running to fundamentally change their entire operation. They wouldn't give up that kind of power willingly. https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/04/massachusetts-2020-democratic-party-primary/ https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/14/michigan-2020-democratic-party-primary/ https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/09/california-2020-democratic-party-primary/ --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939425368] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>you are the one advocating to ignore the past.</quote> This isn't true, and I wish you'd clarify your dead-end one line responses. The past is Obama had a supermajority and used it to pass a republican health care bill, get us into more war and build the immigrant cages people love to be outraged about now. "Let's do that again" isn't a winning message. "Vote for this jerk so we can get progress later" has been the Democratic rally since I've been sentient and never leads to progress. red13n posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, if you are going to go full conspiracy, we are done here.</quote> By every tangible metric aside from those fed to you by media outlets, Bernie had the energy and excitement of a political movement. Most donors, most volunteers, biggest crowds at rallies, most diverse base, etc. He had won the first three primary/caucuses which no Dem candidate had done in my lifetime (maybe ever? I forget) and the media was in a full panic about it. I don't believe for any amount of time that the party who went to court to defend their right to pick anyone they want in spite of any votes was impartial to the guy running to fundamentally change their entire operation. They wouldn't give up that kind of power willingly. https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/04/massachusetts-2020-democratic-party-primary/ https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/14/michigan-2020-democratic-party-primary/ https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/09/california-2020-democratic-party-primary/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 05/19/20 11:58:49 PM #88:	Bernie lost to Hillary in 2016. In 2020, Bernie did not change his campaign style, and Joe Biden is a more popular equivalent of Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden beating Bernie more than Hillary did is not unexpected or some conspiracy. The problem is that you're gauging your personal excitement as being indicative of the nation as a whole. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:939425507] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>Bernie lost to Hillary in 2016. In 2020, Bernie did not change his campaign style, and Joe Biden is a more popular equivalent of Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden beating Bernie more than Hillary did is not unexpected or some conspiracy. The problem is that you're gauging your personal excitement as being indicative of the nation as a whole. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/20/20 12:06:53 AM #89:	Inviso posted... Bernie lost to Hillary in 2016. In 2020, Bernie did not change his campaign style, and Joe Biden is a more popular equivalent of Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden beating Bernie more than Hillary did is not unexpected or some conspiracy. The problem is that you're gauging your personal excitement as being indicative of the nation as a whole. Again, he had the most donors, volunteers and diverse base of any candidate. This isn't me projecting my ideals, it's reported data. I know nobody goes to the internet to change their minds, so I'll stop wasting everyone's time replying. I won't vote for either rapist in November, D or R, and I won't expect anyone who has replied to me to suddenly want to question their prized institutions or fight for human justice. I do appreciate the conversation though. It's the most active I've been here on board 8 in years. =] --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939425818] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>Bernie lost to Hillary in 2016. In 2020, Bernie did not change his campaign style, and Joe Biden is a more popular equivalent of Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden beating Bernie more than Hillary did is not unexpected or some conspiracy. The problem is that you're gauging your personal excitement as being indicative of the nation as a whole.</quote> Again, he had the most donors, volunteers and diverse base of any candidate. This isn't me projecting my ideals, it's reported data. I know nobody goes to the internet to change their minds, so I'll stop wasting everyone's time replying. I won't vote for either rapist in November, D or R, and I won't expect anyone who has replied to me to suddenly want to question their prized institutions or fight for human justice. I do appreciate the conversation though. It's the most active I've been here on board 8 in years. =] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/20/20 12:07:07 AM #90:	PrinceReva posted... By every tangible metric aside from those fed to you by media outlets, Bernie had the energy and excitement of a political movement. Most donors, most volunteers, biggest crowds at rallies, most diverse base, etc. He had won the first three primary/caucuses which no Dem candidate had done in my lifetime (maybe ever? I forget) and the media was in a full panic about it. I don't believe for any amount of time that the party who went to court to defend their right to pick anyone they want in spite of any votes was impartial to the guy running to fundamentally change their entire operation. They wouldn't give up that kind of power willingly. So, full conspiracy. Got it. Good day. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:939425824] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>By every tangible metric aside from those fed to you by media outlets, Bernie had the energy and excitement of a political movement. Most donors, most volunteers, biggest crowds at rallies, most diverse base, etc. He had won the first three primary/caucuses which no Dem candidate had done in my lifetime (maybe ever? I forget) and the media was in a full panic about it. I don't believe for any amount of time that the party who went to court to defend their right to pick anyone they want in spite of any votes was impartial to the guy running to fundamentally change their entire operation. They wouldn't give up that kind of power willingly.</quote>So, full conspiracy. Got it. Good day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 05/20/20 12:14:10 AM #91:	PrinceReva posted... By every tangible metric aside from those fed to you by media outlets, Bernie had the energy and excitement of a political movement. Most donors, most volunteers, biggest crowds at rallies, most diverse base, etc. He had won the first three primary/caucuses which no Dem candidate had done in my lifetime (maybe ever? I forget) and the media was in a full panic about it. I don't believe for any amount of time that the party who went to court to defend their right to pick anyone they want in spite of any votes was impartial to the guy running to fundamentally change their entire operation. They wouldn't give up that kind of power willingly. https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/04/massachusetts-2020-democratic-party-primary/ https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/14/michigan-2020-democratic-party-primary/ https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/09/california-2020-democratic-party-primary/ This is literally the thing I told you was bullshit on the last page. This guy is comparing a margin of error for a single candidate's results to the difference between two candidate's results, the latter of which has twice the margin of error. Furthermore, this dude doesn't understand that exit polls reweight the results to get the correct demographics (because they will often get different response rates based on, e.g., race); he is nonetheless grabbing early, incomplete results to fit his narrative. --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:939426056] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>By every tangible metric aside from those fed to you by media outlets, Bernie had the energy and excitement of a political movement. Most donors, most volunteers, biggest crowds at rallies, most diverse base, etc. He had won the first three primary/caucuses which no Dem candidate had done in my lifetime (maybe ever? I forget) and the media was in a full panic about it. I don't believe for any amount of time that the party who went to court to defend their right to pick anyone they want in spite of any votes was impartial to the guy running to fundamentally change their entire operation. They wouldn't give up that kind of power willingly. https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/04/massachusetts-2020-democratic-party-primary/ https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/14/michigan-2020-democratic-party-primary/ https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/09/california-2020-democratic-party-primary/</quote>This is literally the thing I told you was bullshit on the last page. This guy is comparing a margin of error for a single candidate's results to the difference between two candidate's results, the latter of which has twice the margin of error. Furthermore, this dude doesn't understand that exit polls reweight the results to get the correct demographics (because they will often get different response rates based on, e.g., race); he is nonetheless grabbing early, incomplete results to fit his narrative. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/20/20 3:51:09 AM #92:	Uglyface2 posted... Yes, yours. Disaffected Republicans vote Libertarian. republicans fall in line a lot more easily than democrats. you can even see this on this board. "libertarian" muffin bought a MAGA hat. sephyg went from being one of the supposed "biggest trump haters on the board" to loving him. that's not to say 100% of them fall in line always, but there's definitely more democrats not falling in line than "disaffected republicans voting libertarian." --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939431494] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>Uglyface2 posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, yours. Disaffected Republicans vote Libertarian.</quote> republicans fall in line a lot more easily than democrats. you can even see this on this board. "libertarian" muffin bought a MAGA hat. sephyg went from being one of the supposed "biggest trump haters on the board" to loving him. that's not to say 100% of them fall in line always, but there's definitely more democrats not falling in line than "disaffected republicans voting libertarian." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 05/20/20 6:23:38 PM #93:	PrinceReva posted... "Trump supporter cheers when non-affiliate notes how President Trump has passed legislation hurting the most vulnerable, just as the base asked for." Just because you think the world would be saved by taxing everyone 99% doesn't mean everyone agrees that he's a terrible person for BARELY reducing taxes. You're talking about tax cuts and deregulation for the guy under whom you're paying more than ever, and who has consolidated more industry power under the executive than ever (aka literal socialism). You're advertising him so much better than he ever could. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = azuarc <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:939460598] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>"Trump supporter cheers when non-affiliate notes how President Trump has passed legislation hurting the most vulnerable, just as the base asked for."</quote>Just because you think the world would be saved by taxing everyone 99% doesn't mean everyone agrees that he's a terrible person for BARELY reducing taxes. You're talking about tax cuts and deregulation for the guy under whom you're paying more than ever, and who has consolidated more industry power under the executive than ever (aka literal socialism). You're advertising him so much better than he ever could. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperNiceDog 05/21/20 6:08:07 AM #94:	youd be in jail ahahahah still funny --- Azuarc is the 2020 Guru GOTD 2 Contest Champion! <cite>SuperNiceDog posted [p:939483262] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>youd be in jail ahahahah still funny </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceReva 05/21/20 6:11:45 PM #95:	foolm0r0n posted... Just because you think the world would be saved by taxing everyone 99% doesn't mean everyone agrees that he's a terrible person for BARELY reducing taxes. You're talking about tax cuts and deregulation for the guy under whom you're paying more than ever, and who has consolidated more industry power under the executive than ever (aka literal socialism). You're advertising him so much better than he ever could. I personally only think someone should be taxed at 99% after they've made their first $250,000,000 or so for the year. I understand that taxes are at their highest they've been in decades, but the man saying he'd lower taxes and actually doing it is what his base wants, like I stated. Also, if you think that consolidating power into the executive branch is at all related to Socialism, then you have a very misguided view of what Socialism is. foolmo, you've been here a long time, just like I have. It's clear that neither one of us will improve our impression of the other by discussing politics. It's a touchy subject, I know. I don't want to heighten either of our blood pressure any further by squabbling. I'm sorry if I've offended you, and I sincerely wish you the best. --- slips away unnoticed <cite>PrinceReva posted [p:939510312] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite> <quote>Just because you think the world would be saved by taxing everyone 99% doesn't mean everyone agrees that he's a terrible person for BARELY reducing taxes. You're talking about tax cuts and deregulation for the guy under whom you're paying more than ever, and who has consolidated more industry power under the executive than ever (aka literal socialism). You're advertising him so much better than he ever could.</quote> I personally only think someone should be taxed at 99% after they've made their first $250,000,000 or so for the year. I understand that taxes are at their highest they've been in decades, but the man saying he'd lower taxes and actually doing it is what his base wants, like I stated. Also, if you think that consolidating power into the executive branch is at all related to Socialism, then you have a very misguided view of what Socialism is. foolmo, you've been here a long time, just like I have. It's clear that neither one of us will improve our impression of the other by discussing politics. It's a touchy subject, I know. I don't want to heighten either of our blood pressure any further by squabbling. I'm sorry if I've offended you, and I sincerely wish you the best. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/21/20 6:20:10 PM #96:	PrinceReva posted... Also, if you think that consolidating power into the executive branch is at all related to Socialism, then you have a very misguided view of what Socialism is. foolmo thinks socialism is communism so i can confirm this --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939510690] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>PrinceReva posted... </cite> <quote>Also, if you think that consolidating power into the executive branch is at all related to Socialism, then you have a very misguided view of what Socialism is. </quote> foolmo thinks socialism is communism so i can confirm this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/21/20 6:23:28 PM #97:	No Republican candidate will ever be good enough for foolmo. In the real world, Trump is delivering the goods for Republicans, just as PrinceReva says. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:939510850] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>No Republican candidate will ever be good enough for foolmo. In the real world, Trump is delivering the goods for Republicans, just as PrinceReva says. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 05/21/20 6:33:44 PM #98:	Is "the goods" a new euphemism for the coronavirus --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:939511360] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>Is "the goods" a new euphemism for the coronavirus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestnun 05/21/20 6:35:56 PM #99:	You are posting this topic is on a gaming message board because...? <cite>Prestnun posted [p:939511466] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>You are posting this topic is on a gaming message board because...? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
snake_5036 05/21/20 11:16:21 PM #100:	Prestnun posted... You are posting this topic is on a gaming message board because...? this is basically a social board in all but name only --- You felt your sins weighing on your neck. <cite>snake_5036 posted [p:939523888] in Bernie sup... [t:78698370]...</cite> <quote>Prestnun posted... </cite> <quote>You are posting this topic is on a gaming message board because...?</quote>this is basically a social board in all but name only </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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