Poll of the Day > States been open ONE DAY and my bf is going to a bar

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adjl posted...

Then I'm sure you'll get over it.

Sure. It's not like they will stay shut all that long. My brother can also then return to work. I still miss them though so I stand by my original comment.


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DirtBasedSoap posted...

like what is the point of shutting everything down for two months if youre just gonna say fuck it half way through?

Because the purpose of these orders was to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. That's it. And they accomplished that. They were never designed to make this virus go away. Because they cannot. Government cannot protect you from all risk factors in life. It is up to individuals to do so for themselves.
And so nobody is going to come to your home and force you to go out into the world. If you want to shelter in place still, you're free to do so.

BeerOnTap posted...

Because the purpose of these orders was to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. That's it. And they accomplished that. They were never designed to make this virus go away. Because they cannot. Government cannot protect you from all risk factors in life. It is up to individuals to do so for themselves.
And so nobody is going to come to your home and force you to go out into the world. If you want to shelter in place still, you're free to do so.

https://i.imgur.com/UNZcTQf.jpg


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So weak minded smh

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Didn't Sweden never shut down at all and are doing fine

hungrymike posted...

Didn't Sweden never shut down at all and are doing fine

no they arent.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

no they arent.

So they're doing worse than countries that put stay at home orders in place?

Zangulus posted...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Currently 6th overall for deaths per million... and well above the US.

So please dont try to use them as an example. Its a very bad one.

Loads of people are going to die. And you can get it twice. It also has serious long term effects on health. So be prepared to for much poorer health. My friend only lasted 3 days. The world will never be the same.
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adjl posted...

If a second wave comes as a result of people crowding into public spaces as soon as they can, then you should miss your chance to go to the bar, because it wasn't actually safe to do so and everything was opened prematurely (which is very likely because, as I said, this is a decision based on public and political pressure, not on medical advice). Yeah, that sucks for people that like going to bars, but crowding them prematurely is only going to ruin it for everyone else and endanger others unnecessarily.

Who said it would necessarily start there? Or that anything would happen at the bar. It's possible everybody in the bar would be fine. It's possible none of them had it. As for prematurely, when is it not premature? The order was given to open? Sounds like they waited a while. Like for the whole time it was close. I mean, if you open something, you should plan on people going/being there. Did people really think they were going to open and no one would show. I think places may start having less people overall while things are open (until they actually have a way to get rid of it). But it would probably have a big surge since people would like to go to the places again before slowing down...

adjl posted...

Isolation is easy enough to fix without violating distancing recommendations (whether remotely or just by meeting up and keeping some distance)

Barely. It helps a little. But doesn't really fix the isolation. You're still isolated for the most part. The only one that helps more is meeting with someone face to face. But having to stay 6 feet away from them is even worse...

hungrymike posted...

Didn't Sweden never shut down at all and are doing fine

While it looks like the confirmed deaths are low, their population is also lower. From the looks of the chart... So it raises the deaths per million...
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Eat Man posted...

So weak minded smh

https://i.imgur.com/Nrw9kTA.gif

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Thursday my gf really wanted to go on a date, but I managed to talk her down to carryout from a fancy place. The next day she went to a restaurant with her mother. What can you do

I'm in favor of easing the lock down but that doesn't mean I'm in a hurry to get out there. Some people need to get out though and that's their call.

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You're clinging hard to an exaggeration of the rate and effects of "long term damage" just like you did the death rate. You're no better than a Facebook antivaxxer, promoting fear in lieu of information. I have to wonder what your next fallback is when this ploy fails too.

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Veedrock- posted...

You're exaggerating the rate and effects of "long term damage" just like you did the death rate. You're no better than a Facebook antivaxxer, promoting fear in lieu of information.

No, he's right - the biggest risk of even weaker viruses is systemic circulation... at that point you can't get rid of it, ever; just like influenza.

edit: A good example is (h1n1)pdm09, or the 2009 swine flu outbreak... Remember the swine flu hysteria? That was of a relatively benign virus, and because of a failure in containment... it's now another permanent virus and people still get it today (but it has an effective vaccine due to previous h1n1 variants being well known)

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BeerOnTap posted...

Because the purpose of these orders was to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. That's it. And they accomplished that.

They *have* accomplished that. That accomplishment is not permanent until enough of the population is immune to the virus that new cases can be expected to emerge at a manageable rate. The potential still exists for hospitals to be overwhelmed if the virus' spread isn't moderated, so it's still important to moderate the spread of the virus, a process which entails continuing to keep people from gathering in large crowds.

It's safe to start easing up on restrictions once active case numbers decline to a certain point, but until there's been a working vaccine administered to a sizable portion of the population, it's not going to be safe to lift all restrictions. Do that, and you'll just see another surge in cases like the one that prompted the first lockdown, only this time it's going to be even harder to control it because people are going to be much more resistant to being locked down for a second time.

LinkPizza posted...

Who said it would necessarily start there? Or that anything would happen at the bar. It's possible everybody in the bar would be fine. It's possible none of them had it.

Oh sure. There are never guarantees when dealing with something like this. It's nonetheless risky, though. That's the nature of risk.

LinkPizza posted...

As for prematurely, when is it not premature?

When active case rates drop below whatever is deemed to be an appropriate critical level for a given population density level, as recommended by public health officials. Generally speaking, recommendations from medical professionals are significantly more cautious than what the public (and, by extension, politicians) are happy with, which means the decision to reopen is often going to be premature by medical standards.

LinkPizza posted...

Barely. It helps a little. But doesn't really fix the isolation. You're still isolated for the most part.

It's not as good as actually seeing people, no, but it's a whole lot better than actual isolation, and does a lot to mitigate the potential harm.

LinkPizza posted...

The only one that helps more is meeting with someone face to face. But having to stay 6 feet away from them is even worse...

Particularly with the weather being nice enough to do outside stuff, maintaining the 6' distance isn't that bad. Cuts down on meetings of a more intimate sort for couples that don't cohabitate, which does suck, but it's not the end of the world and it's only temporary.

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if it makes you feel better. My state was rank 10th for most cases of corona virus in the US since we started the lock down. Then they decided to open up. In two weeks we jumped up to 8th place. You know it's bad when your state is ranked higher than Florida.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Most of the World: Stays in intelligent lockdowns while looking for ways to open safely.
US: Just open everything, no restrictions.

Just, what?

"Viral once again."
Indeed, but not in the way he thinks.

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jen, we'll all remember you before your boyfriend brought home the coronavirus, ok?

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adjl posted...

Oh sure. There are never guarantees when dealing with something like this. It's nonetheless risky, though. That's the nature of risk.

And some are willing to take that risk. Im sure they know that the virus is still out there. Its sort of like a risk and reward sort of thing. So, to them, the bar is worth it...

adjl posted...

When active case rates drop below whatever is deemed to be an appropriate critical level for a given population density level, as recommended by public health officials. Generally speaking, recommendations from medical professionals are significantly more cautious than what the public (and, by extension, politicians) are happy with, which means the decision to reopen is often going to be premature by medical standards.

Sure. By medical standards. But depending on how long it takes them to do anything about it, things may never open again...

adjl posted...

It's not as good as actually seeing people, no, but it's a whole lot better than actual isolation, and does a lot to mitigate the potential harm.

Not a whole lot better. Just a little better, honestly. I havent seen my family or friends in like a couple years. And the last time I went, it was for less than a week. I talk to them everyday, yet it still feels like isolation. Its like eating a spoonful of rice when youve been starving. Its helps, but not much/enough.

adjl posted...

Particularly with the weather being nice enough to do outside stuff, maintaining the 6' distance isn't that bad. Cuts down on meetings of a more intimate sort for couples that don't cohabitate, which does suck, but it's not the end of the world and it's only temporary.

The problem is, no one know how long temporary actually is. Especially if were waiting for the medical professionals. Even if they create something, doesnt it take years for testing and stuff. People dont want to wait years to live their lives. Personally, I dont cohabitate with my SO. But I do see him still. Not often, as our relationship is, for the time being, somewhat long distance.
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ClarkDuke posted...

jen, we'll all remember you before your boyfriend brought home the coronavirus, ok?

Ty you're a true friend

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