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Zareth 05/16/20 2:19:18 PM #1: |
The newest update installs a mandatory anti-cheat program that is basically malware.
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FatalAccident 05/16/20 2:22:32 PM #2: |
Basically malware becos ur a big cheater?
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Zareth 05/16/20 2:23:30 PM #3: |
https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/gjzi01/why_you_should_remove_doom_eternal_denuvo/
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VeeVees 05/16/20 2:30:11 PM #4: |
Who the fuck is coming up with all these ring-0 anti cheats? It's on valorant and now doom.
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Nichtcrawler X 05/16/20 2:32:25 PM #5: |
Why is this suddenly a thing? I googled a different word yesterday that led me to the same explanation (Kernel access) from a different Anti-Cheat Programme.
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helIy 05/16/20 2:33:39 PM #6: |
its fine
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Nichtcrawler X 05/16/20 2:39:55 PM #7: |
helIy posted...
its fine Fine? Games really do not need and should not need zeroth level access to your system. Someone should ask OS makers opinion on it as it introduces a security flaw they cannot control. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DirtBasedSoap 05/16/20 4:20:28 PM #8: |
helIy posted...
its fineis it your goal to post the most disagreeable shit non-stop? --- Every man with a microphone thinks he can tell you what he loves the most ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GanonsSpirit 05/16/20 4:24:40 PM #9: |
Digital games really are becoming malware. Maybe that DP guy is from the future.
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helIy 05/17/20 10:54:16 PM #10: |
DirtBasedSoap posted...
is it your goal to post the most disagreeable shit non-stop?no thats yours --- Fed unto the axioms, and I fell upon the Earth and ran. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Johnny Eagle 05/17/20 11:31:47 PM #11: |
helIy posted...
no thats yours Then by all means, explain how this is in any way "fine".... --- "Life's a game. It's meant to be played." "Amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built the Titanic." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DirtBasedSoap 05/17/20 11:36:34 PM #12: |
helIy posted...
no thats yoursgud1 --- Every man with a microphone thinks he can tell you what he loves the most ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yellow 05/18/20 12:28:29 AM #13: |
helIy posted...
its fineIf you think about it anything you give admin access has full control over your system and all your "data" without having to pass through any anti-virus. And silent updates? You don't even need admin access for that. Your CPU fan control software has kernel access, so your custom cooling could possibly stick you in a boot loop (that I can almost guarantee you wouldn't be permanent past a frustrating day of Googling, your hard drive does not encrypt itself or blow up on "blue screen" unless your hard drive itself was damaged... idk if the computer is even capable of that past stress testing it, which again doesn't take the kernel) The last claim I've heard is that a developer once stuck a rouge piece of bitcoin mining code in some kernel driver once, and that proves they aren't safe... but you didn't need kernel access for that, and that was a horrible plan that was bound to be caught anyway. So I think there's nothing to freak out about. :/ And I'm usually the last person to disagree with anti-consumer rage. YouTube tech rage is a different kind of clickbaity though. Simply by the fact that you install tons of shit that was made by someone who you don't know who basically has full access of your entire system without any kind of kernel access. An anti-cheat system would make use of scanning memory directly by address and it might not even be a bad idea. My only qualm was that it should have been online only, if only to prevent consumer... confusion. Also people really hate Denuavo's guts. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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helIy 05/18/20 12:34:41 AM #14: |
Johnny Eagle posted...
Then by all means, explain how this is in any way "fine"....because its not doing anything but preventing piracy its fine did you know that steam also has ring 0 access did you know that that rgb software you installed also has ring 0 access damn near everything has ring 0 access --- Fed unto the axioms, and I fell upon the Earth and ran. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yellow 05/18/20 12:37:45 AM #15: |
helIy posted...
because its not doing anything but preventing piracyNo this one is preventing online cheating. The anti-piracy denuavo is something else that is in fact inexcusable dogshit that serves no purpose. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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helIy 05/18/20 12:38:31 AM #16: |
same thing~
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DirtBasedSoap 05/18/20 12:40:28 AM #17: |
helIy posted...
damn near everything has ring 0 accesslol --- Every man with a microphone thinks he can tell you what he loves the most ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yellow 05/18/20 12:59:33 AM #18: |
helIy posted...
did you know that steam also has ring 0 accessIs this for the streaming drivers? How do you even view kernel threads? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yellow 05/18/20 1:22:09 AM #19: |
I will concede that it's generally bad practice to throw kernel access around willy nilly since usermode exists for a reason
If CheatEngine doesn't need kernel access to monitor other processes it's not entirely warranted in a video game, but the catch is that the cheating program might just be using kernel itself, in which case you would probably need kernel access to detect it. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 05/18/20 1:30:24 AM #20: |
Yellow posted...
For a good reason. They need to go out of business. helIy posted...
False. Denuvo themselves have admitted to leaving files on your computer after uninstalling a game that has it. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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trodi_911 05/18/20 2:01:02 AM #21: |
I thought DOOM Eternal was a single-player game? Why does it need anti-cheat software?
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LinkPizza 05/18/20 2:22:01 AM #22: |
trodi_911 posted...
I thought DOOM Eternal was a single-player game? Why does it need anti-cheat software? I thought it had online multiplayer. Or I heard that, at least... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sarcasthma 05/18/20 2:29:39 AM #23: |
LinkPizza posted...
I thought it had online multiplayer. Or I heard that, at least...I just used the internet to check. It does have online multiplayer. --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 05/18/20 2:37:51 AM #24: |
Sarcasthma posted...
I just used the internet to check. It does have online multiplayer. Good job. Now the rest of us don't have to check... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sarcasthma 05/18/20 3:07:57 AM #25: |
LinkPizza posted...
Good job. Now the rest of us don't have to check...Thanks, dude. It was pretty difficult, but I managed to pull through with spiritual help from my main man Jesus. --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 05/18/20 3:19:16 AM #26: |
Sarcasthma posted...
Thanks, dude. It was pretty difficult, but I managed to pull through with spiritual help from my main man Jesus. He's always there to help! --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeetCheet 05/18/20 4:13:09 AM #27: |
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Sarcasthma 05/18/20 4:23:10 AM #28: |
LeetCheet posted...
Where is Jesus whenever I need help? : (He's busy helping me. ; ) --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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trodi_911 05/18/20 5:28:31 AM #29: |
LinkPizza posted...
I thought it had online multiplayer. Or I heard that, at least... Sarcasthma posted... I just used the internet to check. It does have online multiplayer.Fair enough. No one seems to talk about the multiplayer though I haven't really looked up anything about DOOM to be honest. --- "What are you playing? Australian rules?" "Yeah. I'm trying to put you down under. 6 feet down under!" Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 05/18/20 5:33:59 AM #30: |
trodi_911 posted...
No one seems to talk about the multiplayer I also heard its not that good... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veedrock- 05/18/20 6:27:38 AM #31: |
LinkPizza posted...
I also heard its not that good...No matter how bad, cheaters would make it worse. --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 05/18/20 6:28:13 AM #32: |
Veedrock- posted...
No matter how bad, cheaters would make it worse. Oh, yeah. I agree with that... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dikitain 05/18/20 7:36:18 AM #33: |
trodi_911 posted...
Fair enough. No one seems to talk about the multiplayer though I haven't really looked up anything about DOOM to be honest.To be fair, the multiplayer was the worst part of DOOM 2016. It wasn't horrible, just very bog standard for a game that went so far out of it's way to buck modern trends at the time. --- I am a Contract Software Developer. What does that mean? I don't know, let me know if you figure it out. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nichtcrawler X 05/18/20 9:00:39 AM #34: |
helIy posted...
Google searching does not really give any results that suggest it does. helIy posted... did you know that that rgb software you installed also has ring 0 access Aside from the colours, the phrase "rgb software" did not really give me anything on Google that made sense... --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 05/18/20 9:31:46 AM #35: |
Guys, it's helly.
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aHappySacka 05/18/20 10:48:56 AM #36: |
If you have it on Steam can you just revert it to the previous version?
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ChaosAzeroth 05/18/20 11:20:12 AM #37: |
From what I've heard, and take it with a grain of salt since I don't own the game and therefore can't test it is this.
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kind9 05/18/20 11:26:13 AM #38: |
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Alpha218 05/18/20 12:02:33 PM #39: |
Im not disputing the issues people have with kernel level anti-cheat, its just, why start caring now? Battleye and Easy Anti-Cheat run at the same level and have for years. Yet people start freaking out when Valorant does the same thing. Is it because Riot is owned by Tencent? I hardly think that major game devs would exploit this because it could open them up to lawsuits and ruin their brand.
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Johnny Eagle 05/18/20 1:08:25 PM #40: |
Alpha218 posted...
Im not disputing the issues people have with kernel level anti-cheat, its just, why start caring now? Battleye and Easy Anti-Cheat run at the same level and have for years. Yet people start freaking out when Valorant does the same thing. Is it because Riot is owned by Tencent? I hardly think that major game devs would exploit this because it could open them up to lawsuits and ruin their brand. Maybe people are just now finding out this is a thing? Valorant using it is certainly the first time I remember hearing about it --- "Life's a game. It's meant to be played." "Amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built the Titanic." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 05/18/20 3:39:00 PM #41: |
Alpha218 posted...
Im not disputing the issues people have with kernel level anti-cheat, its just, why start caring now? Battleye and Easy Anti-Cheat run at the same level and have for years. Yet people start freaking out when Valorant does the same thing. Is it because Riot is owned by Tencent? I hardly think that major game devs would exploit this because it could open them up to lawsuits and ruin their brand. How recent is "recently"? I played it for the first time last summer or winter for the sale benefits. I didn't see any cheating but I didn't play that much. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Krazy_Kirby 05/18/20 6:02:08 PM #42: |
or just don't update if you don't want that update
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