Poll of the Day > PSA: Uninstall DOOM Eternal if you have it on PC.

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Zareth
05/16/20 2:19:18 PM
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The newest update installs a mandatory anti-cheat program that is basically malware.

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FatalAccident
05/16/20 2:22:32 PM
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Basically malware becos ur a big cheater?

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Zareth
05/16/20 2:23:30 PM
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VeeVees
05/16/20 2:30:11 PM
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Who the fuck is coming up with all these ring-0 anti cheats? It's on valorant and now doom.

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Nichtcrawler X
05/16/20 2:32:25 PM
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Why is this suddenly a thing? I googled a different word yesterday that led me to the same explanation (Kernel access) from a different Anti-Cheat Programme.

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helIy
05/16/20 2:33:39 PM
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its fine

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Nichtcrawler X
05/16/20 2:39:55 PM
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helIy posted...
its fine

Fine? Games really do not need and should not need zeroth level access to your system.

Someone should ask OS makers opinion on it as it introduces a security flaw they cannot control.

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DirtBasedSoap
05/16/20 4:20:28 PM
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helIy posted...
its fine
is it your goal to post the most disagreeable shit non-stop?

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GanonsSpirit
05/16/20 4:24:40 PM
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Digital games really are becoming malware. Maybe that DP guy is from the future.
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helIy
05/17/20 10:54:16 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
is it your goal to post the most disagreeable shit non-stop?
no thats yours

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Johnny Eagle
05/17/20 11:31:47 PM
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helIy posted...
no thats yours

Then by all means, explain how this is in any way "fine"....

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DirtBasedSoap
05/17/20 11:36:34 PM
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helIy posted...
no thats yours
gud1

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Yellow
05/18/20 12:28:29 AM
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helIy posted...
its fine
If you think about it anything you give admin access has full control over your system and all your "data" without having to pass through any anti-virus. And silent updates? You don't even need admin access for that.

Your CPU fan control software has kernel access, so your custom cooling could possibly stick you in a boot loop (that I can almost guarantee you wouldn't be permanent past a frustrating day of Googling, your hard drive does not encrypt itself or blow up on "blue screen" unless your hard drive itself was damaged... idk if the computer is even capable of that past stress testing it, which again doesn't take the kernel)

The last claim I've heard is that a developer once stuck a rouge piece of bitcoin mining code in some kernel driver once, and that proves they aren't safe... but you didn't need kernel access for that, and that was a horrible plan that was bound to be caught anyway.

So I think there's nothing to freak out about. :/ And I'm usually the last person to disagree with anti-consumer rage. YouTube tech rage is a different kind of clickbaity though.

Simply by the fact that you install tons of shit that was made by someone who you don't know who basically has full access of your entire system without any kind of kernel access.

An anti-cheat system would make use of scanning memory directly by address and it might not even be a bad idea. My only qualm was that it should have been online only, if only to prevent consumer... confusion. Also people really hate Denuavo's guts.

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helIy
05/18/20 12:34:41 AM
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Johnny Eagle posted...
Then by all means, explain how this is in any way "fine"....
because its not doing anything but preventing piracy

its fine

did you know that steam also has ring 0 access

did you know that that rgb software you installed also has ring 0 access

damn near everything has ring 0 access

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Yellow
05/18/20 12:37:45 AM
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helIy posted...
because its not doing anything but preventing piracy

its fine
No this one is preventing online cheating.

The anti-piracy denuavo is something else that is in fact inexcusable dogshit that serves no purpose.

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helIy
05/18/20 12:38:31 AM
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same thing~

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DirtBasedSoap
05/18/20 12:40:28 AM
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helIy posted...
damn near everything has ring 0 access
lol

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Yellow
05/18/20 12:59:33 AM
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helIy posted...
did you know that steam also has ring 0 access
Is this for the streaming drivers? How do you even view kernel threads?

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Yellow
05/18/20 1:22:09 AM
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I will concede that it's generally bad practice to throw kernel access around willy nilly since usermode exists for a reason

If CheatEngine doesn't need kernel access to monitor other processes it's not entirely warranted in a video game, but the catch is that the cheating program might just be using kernel itself, in which case you would probably need kernel access to detect it. though I could be wrong because I've never messed with that kind of stuff.

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Revelation34
05/18/20 1:30:24 AM
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Yellow posted...

If you think about it anything you give admin access has full control over your system and all your "data" without having to pass through any anti-virus. And silent updates? You don't even need admin access for that.

Your CPU fan control software has kernel access, so your custom cooling could possibly stick you in a boot loop (that I can almost guarantee you wouldn't be permanent past a frustrating day of Googling, your hard drive does not encrypt itself or blow up on "blue screen" unless your hard drive itself was damaged... idk if the computer is even capable of that past stress testing it, which again doesn't take the kernel)

The last claim I've heard is that a developer once stuck a rouge piece of bitcoin mining code in some kernel driver once, and that proves they aren't safe... but you didn't need kernel access for that, and that was a horrible plan that was bound to be caught anyway.

So I think there's nothing to freak out about. :/ And I'm usually the last person to disagree with anti-consumer rage. YouTube tech rage is a different kind of clickbaity though.

Simply by the fact that you install tons of shit that was made by someone who you don't know who basically has full access of your entire system without any kind of kernel access.

An anti-cheat system would make use of scanning memory directly by address and it might not even be a bad idea. My only qualm was that it should have been online only, if only to prevent consumer... confusion. Also people really hate Denuavo's guts.


For a good reason. They need to go out of business.

helIy posted...

because its not doing anything but preventing piracy

its fine

did you know that steam also has ring 0 access

did you know that that rgb software you installed also has ring 0 access

damn near everything has ring 0 access


False. Denuvo themselves have admitted to leaving files on your computer after uninstalling a game that has it.
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trodi_911
05/18/20 2:01:02 AM
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I thought DOOM Eternal was a single-player game? Why does it need anti-cheat software?

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LinkPizza
05/18/20 2:22:01 AM
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trodi_911 posted...
I thought DOOM Eternal was a single-player game? Why does it need anti-cheat software?

I thought it had online multiplayer. Or I heard that, at least...
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Sarcasthma
05/18/20 2:29:39 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
I thought it had online multiplayer. Or I heard that, at least...
I just used the internet to check. It does have online multiplayer.

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LinkPizza
05/18/20 2:37:51 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
I just used the internet to check. It does have online multiplayer.

Good job. Now the rest of us don't have to check...
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Sarcasthma
05/18/20 3:07:57 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
Good job. Now the rest of us don't have to check...
Thanks, dude. It was pretty difficult, but I managed to pull through with spiritual help from my main man Jesus.

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LinkPizza
05/18/20 3:19:16 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
Thanks, dude. It was pretty difficult, but I managed to pull through with spiritual help from my main man Jesus.

He's always there to help!
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LeetCheet
05/18/20 4:13:09 AM
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Where is Jesus whenever I need help? : (
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Sarcasthma
05/18/20 4:23:10 AM
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LeetCheet posted...
Where is Jesus whenever I need help? : (
He's busy helping me. ; )

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trodi_911
05/18/20 5:28:31 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
I thought it had online multiplayer. Or I heard that, at least...

Sarcasthma posted...
I just used the internet to check. It does have online multiplayer.
Fair enough. No one seems to talk about the multiplayer though I haven't really looked up anything about DOOM to be honest.

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LinkPizza
05/18/20 5:33:59 AM
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trodi_911 posted...
No one seems to talk about the multiplayer

I also heard its not that good...
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Veedrock-
05/18/20 6:27:38 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
I also heard its not that good...
No matter how bad, cheaters would make it worse.

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LinkPizza
05/18/20 6:28:13 AM
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Veedrock- posted...
No matter how bad, cheaters would make it worse.

Oh, yeah. I agree with that...
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Dikitain
05/18/20 7:36:18 AM
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trodi_911 posted...
Fair enough. No one seems to talk about the multiplayer though I haven't really looked up anything about DOOM to be honest.
To be fair, the multiplayer was the worst part of DOOM 2016. It wasn't horrible, just very bog standard for a game that went so far out of it's way to buck modern trends at the time.

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Nichtcrawler X
05/18/20 9:00:39 AM
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helIy posted...


did you know that steam also has ring 0 access

Google searching does not really give any results that suggest it does.

helIy posted...
did you know that that rgb software you installed also has ring 0 access

Aside from the colours, the phrase "rgb software" did not really give me anything on Google that made sense...

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EvilMegas
05/18/20 9:31:46 AM
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Guys, it's helly.

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aHappySacka
05/18/20 10:48:56 AM
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If you have it on Steam can you just revert it to the previous version?

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ChaosAzeroth
05/18/20 11:20:12 AM
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From what I've heard, and take it with a grain of salt since I don't own the game and therefore can't test it is this.

Not only does the online suck the DRM is required to play offline too, period.
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kind9
05/18/20 11:26:13 AM
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Ok then, but



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Alpha218
05/18/20 12:02:33 PM
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Im not disputing the issues people have with kernel level anti-cheat, its just, why start caring now? Battleye and Easy Anti-Cheat run at the same level and have for years. Yet people start freaking out when Valorant does the same thing. Is it because Riot is owned by Tencent? I hardly think that major game devs would exploit this because it could open them up to lawsuits and ruin their brand.

Anyone play Team Fortress 2 recently? Then you would see how fucking worthless VAC is now. So many cheating bots that flood the chat and micspam with slurs.

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Johnny Eagle
05/18/20 1:08:25 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
Im not disputing the issues people have with kernel level anti-cheat, its just, why start caring now? Battleye and Easy Anti-Cheat run at the same level and have for years. Yet people start freaking out when Valorant does the same thing. Is it because Riot is owned by Tencent? I hardly think that major game devs would exploit this because it could open them up to lawsuits and ruin their brand.

Anyone play Team Fortress 2 recently? Then you would see how fucking worthless VAC is now. So many cheating bots that flood the chat and micspam with slurs.

Maybe people are just now finding out this is a thing? Valorant using it is certainly the first time I remember hearing about it

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Revelation34
05/18/20 3:39:00 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
Im not disputing the issues people have with kernel level anti-cheat, its just, why start caring now? Battleye and Easy Anti-Cheat run at the same level and have for years. Yet people start freaking out when Valorant does the same thing. Is it because Riot is owned by Tencent? I hardly think that major game devs would exploit this because it could open them up to lawsuits and ruin their brand.

Anyone play Team Fortress 2 recently? Then you would see how fucking worthless VAC is now. So many cheating bots that flood the chat and micspam with slurs.


How recent is "recently"? I played it for the first time last summer or winter for the sale benefits. I didn't see any cheating but I didn't play that much.
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Krazy_Kirby
05/18/20 6:02:08 PM
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or just don't update if you don't want that update
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