Board 8 > ~*Ultimaterializer's Post-Contest Analysis!*~

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PostContestUlti posted...

I'll get into the people behind Borderlands being trash in round 2, don't you worry. I've said it before, but our voters are astute.

I think I know where this is going, and I'm looking forward to it.

Also, it's funny to think back on how Borderlands 2 used to be quite a bit stronger than Xenoblade:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4961-best-of-2012-game-of-the-year-final

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Division 2 Round 1: (4)Horizon Zero Dawn vs (13)Fortnite

(4)Horizon Zero Dawn - 18655 [80.93%]
(13)Fortnite - 4397 [19.07%]
Total Votes - 23052
Prediction Percentage - 56.87%

Before getting to anything else, let me first say this -- I legitimately ''love'' Fortnite. No trolling, no BS. I love the game. I wouldn't put it on a top 100 list or anything, but it's legitimately a phenomenal video game. I'm pretty sure every kid in the world under 13 with access to electricity has played it, and Epic has done a wonderful job marketing their game specifically to kids. I'll leave my hatred for Epic's business practices and their continued stupid decisions, like banning a 9 year old from a game ''marketed to children'', out of this. I want people to know I have legit positive feelings for Fortnite, and I was somewhat bummed out when in this contest it got treated similar to how Draven and Sans got treated in the last one. It truly did not deserve to get destroyed like this.

I have two main reasons for liking the game. First and foremost, I volunteer with the middle school and young high school students at my church, and we're always messing around playing sports, playing video games, and discussing the word. Smash Bros and Fortnite are the two games that usually get booted up, and these kids just go nuts for it. It's so cool to see. If GameFAQs wants to be a bunch of boomers and hate on something because kids enjoy it, then the users of GameFAQs need a little more joy in their life. A lot of you guys clearly either don't have kids or don't have a connection to them. I don't have kids of my own, but seeing how happy these kids are in church makes me want to give them all the joys in the world. Remember, the generation of gamers that came before you probably looked at you in the 90s and thought all ''your'' games sucked, too. Remember all of our parents freaking out over Doom and Mortal Kombat while extoling the virtue of Nintendo games? You shouldn't grow up and treat others the same way, bros. Kids all talk about Fortnite and Tiktok the way we used to talk about 90s tech. Leave it alone.

The other reason Fortnite is awesome is because it functions as internet day care. I love the kids at church, but I won't deny that a lot of kids out there are spoiled little brats who need an ass whuppin. Thankfully, Fortnite also fixed that problem. Every single other game's online community automatically got better the second Fortnite got huge. That's because all the screaming brats don't play other games anymore. They all play Fortnite and Minecraft, which leaves every other game's online open to being good. Finally!

So yeah, Fortnite didn't deserve this. And yes, I was secretly hoping for a giga-rally. Sue me.

As for Horizon, the game is super legit, but it wasn't totally possible to know that from this performance alone. The one hope Borderlands 2 supporters had going for them is that almost any game would have blown Fortnite out. Even games that finished super low in the stats. It's simply not the kind of game that will ever get votes here, and in any contest it's in it will always get the Draven treatment. So I say if there's ever another catch-all games contest, let's have this Fourpack of Fun: League of Legends : Fortnite :: Dota 2 : Undertale.

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I think Fortnite is a pretty fun game too. I like it more than a lot of other games in the bracket tbh.

It's by far the easiest battle royale to 'get good' at imo from what I played.

The lack of building in other royale can get rough since I'm pretty bad at shooters generally.

Fortnite also has cool seasonal modes like playing/fighting Thanos and best of all LIGHTSABERS.

The Dances are pretty hit or miss but I do think it's cool stuff like Rick Astley's Never Gonna Give You Up (with the OG song and everything) and stuff like Star Wars TRAITOR scene and force choking. And of course seeing flossing making it to the Sonic movie.

I like the gimmick weapons like the Kingsman/umbrella. I got really excited to just whack builds, block shots, and blow people who have no idea how to fight it.

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I think Fortnite is less 'GameFAQs being boomers' and more...it's just not a GameFAQs game in the slightest. It's Halo if Halo had no actual playerbase here...or every Call of Duty since 4. >_>

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PostContestUlti posted...

League of Legends : Fortnite :: Dota 2 : Undertale.

I think Undertale probably sweeps this up easily. It didn't get absolutely smashed by Octopath unlike what happened to Dota 2 or Fortnite and I think people are still angrier at Draven then at Undertale
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I think Fortnite deserves a little bit of credit in its design. PUBG was the real innovator of the Battle Royale genre, but Fortnite took its spot at the top because they had imagination in spades and designed something aesthetically pleasing with a lot of personality.

At the very least, that's the reason why Fortnite took an 80-20 beatdown whereas PUBG couldn't even make the field.

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Man I thought you guys would crush me and accuse me of trolling for actually liking that game. I'll be damned.

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PostContestUlti posted...

Man I thought you guys would crush me and accuse me of trolling for actually liking that game. I'll be damned.

Fortnite's not a bad game just cause it's popular.
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Hbthebattle posted...

I think Undertale probably sweeps this up easily. It didn't get absolutely smashed by Octopath unlike what happened to Dota 2 or Fortnite and I think people are still angrier at Draven then at Undertale

Plus, Undertale is really right up GameFAQs alley being a western made indie JPRG heavily influenced by games we do like, such as Earthbound and SMPRG, whereas Dota and LOL just came around a little bit late for our generation, and our site just really isn't into multiplayer. If these games hit around 2005, they would at least have some following like World of Warcraft does, which is at least strong enough to beat lower tier midcarders like the original Animal Crossing.

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Division 2 Round 1: (3)Resident Evil 2 vs (14)Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair

(3)Resident Evil 2 - 19972 [83.13%]
(14)Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair [16.87%]
Total Votes - 24026
Prediction Percentage - 92.37%

Some indie games were okay in this contest. Most were not. Listening to yoblazer trying to pronounce "Danganronpa" wasn't quite as painful as Rosie O'Donnel's impersonation of the Chinese, but it was painful nonetheless! Swirldude was nice enough to enlighten us on The Show about what that game actually is. Apparently it's a visual novel that Phoenix Wright fans would enjoy, which... actually doesn't sound bad at all. But seeded contests all have their slew of round 1 blowouts, so here we were.

But even then, we were less prepared than Illidan's opponents for what RE2 was going to do in this contest. "Painful" is also an apt word to describe Resident Evil 2 ripping through this match. This fourpack of matches pretty much all made Mass Effect 2 look terrible, and Resident Evil 2 got the ball rolling by proving its Game of the Year showing to start off the 2020 polls was no fluke. In those polls, it beat Fire Emblem: Three Houses and Sekiro to take the title. It followed that up by '''destroying''' Not Phoenix Wright. It was far from done after this demolishing, either.

This was another feather in the cap of Capcom's resurgence, and who knew that designing good games without worrying about dirty microtransactions and loads of sinister DLC practices would make fans like you? It's almost like this is what people have been saying all along or something. Gamers don't want microtransactions. Gamers don't want on-disc DLC. Gamers don't want their intelligence insulted. They want ''good games''. That's it. It's not hard. When you give gamers what they want, they vote with their dollars. Free markets work, my friends.

I will say though that Resident Evil 2 cheated hard with that name. Let's not forget that every single game made in 1998 is technically a contest champion! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6720-best-year-in-gaming-final-2001-vs-1998

So rather than being called Resident Evil 2: Remake or something similar, Capcom went with the original name. I am legitimately and truly convinced that this game got a 1998 boost from nostalgia, which kind of feels dirty. Two games, Persona 4 Golden and Pokemon HeartGold SoulSilver, had absolutely no right making it into this contest. Those two are just graphical upgrades of games not released in this decade.

Resident Evil 2 is very borderline, and pushes at it really hard, but ultimately I'm okay with it since it's a full remake. The other two no, but RE2 is fine. The issue is where does it stop? Do we let Ocarina of Time 3D in? How about Link's Awakening? That's a full remake. I just think it's dumb that all three of these games got to feed on nostalgia in a contest specifically designed to avoid it. If you booted all three of those games in favor of Pokemon Go, Skyward Sword, and Pokemon Sword and Shield, the contest would have felt more fair.

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No, that's wrong. Danganronpa is made by Spike Chunsoft, which I wouldn't exactly classify as indie. Niche would be the more fitting adjective.

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_SecretSquirrel posted...

No, that's wrong.

I see what you did there

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Danganronpa is as indie as Phoenix Wright.

Division 2 Round 1: (6)DOOM vs (11)INSIDE

(6)DOOM - 20674 [86.06%]
(11)INSIDE - 3349 [13.94%]
Total Votes - 24023
Prediction Percentage - 94.22%

'''WARNING: THE SLAYER HAS CONTROL OF THE BFG.

REPEAT, THE SLAYER HAS THE BFG.'''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEAVcfJ9niw

'''"You can't just shoot a ''hole'' into the surface of Mars."'''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbbdJIb_e30

'''The ONLY thing they fear... is YOU.'''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5UF6ashzkw

'''You are nothing but a usurper. A false idol.'''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqcRQlFVpM

'''There is no chance that the subject is a demon. Maybe he is a God. He is uncompromising, a relentless being of violence. I believe him now to be more than just a man. He is.... DOOM.

All hail the coming of the Destroyer. The Slayer's time is now'''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DE0nmHjahs

I could wax poetic for days about my love for these games. Really, I could. My Doom Eternal review alone is 5300 hundred words. It's funny, I first experienced Doom because a buddy of mine went "hey you'll like this song, check it out". I put on BFG Division for the first time and the rest of it figured itself out over time.

But this is a contest PCA at the end of the day, so I'll ''try'' to be objective. First off, Allen clearly set this up on purpose. "DOOM INSIDE" is one of the first things people noticed when the bracket came out, and Inside got an 11 seed. 11! Above things like Mario Kart 8 and Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Given Inside would eventually end up dead last in the stats, I don't believe it naturally got an 11 seed. Allen set this up to be cute.

Secondly, Doom 2016 ''clearly'' benefited from Doom Eternal coming out ten days before this match. We see this a lot where a recent or same day release cause a related contest entrant to go berserk. We've seen it with Charizard, we've seen with Mario, and now we've seen it with Doom. Anyone reading this can see how much I love this game, but Doom is not strong enough to get the second biggest blowout of the entire round 1 no matter what it's up against. This performance was just comically absurd. I would love if Doom were actually this strong, but come on. 86%? The highest oracle prediction was 80. This was clearly a boosted overperformance, and trust me when I tell you that it kills me to say that.

Before I move on, I want to toss some love to Lightning Strikes for recommending Inside so hard. I enjoyed Limbo, so after this match I figured what the hell. He's like KP; he'll never steer you wrong with recommending something. Inside is a really, really good game and I fully recommend it. It's really short, about 4 hours, and you can beat the entire thing in an afternoon. I dare say it didn't deserve to get demolished like this, but the all-caps match was too good to pass up. I see you working, Allen.

This set up one hell of a match with Resident Evil 2 next round, and the stakes felt very high given how vulnerable Mass Effect 2 looked. Two games with 90s nostalgia name value overperforming en route to a debated round 2 match? Sign me up.

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alternatively, DOOM benefited from the almighty CAPS SFF
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I thought it was a bit hilarious that DR2 was one of the games people talked about as a possible last place finisher, and despite still finishing in the bottom 10, it was literally one of the first games mathematically eliminated from that spot due to INSIDE crapping the bed the same day.

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Division 2 Round 1: (7)Fire Emblem: Awakening vs (10)Deus Ex: Human Revolution

(7)Fire Emblem: Awakening - 15079 [62.76%]
(10)Deus Ex: Human Revolution - 8948 [37.24%]
Total Votes - 24027
Prediction Percentage - 76.07%

Fire Emblem didn't win by enough.

I say that in jest given the obnoxious PC Master Race Deus Ex fans, but it's actually the truth. And yes, I know this isn't the same Deus Ex. Calm down.

While Resident Evil 2, Doom, and Bloodborne were all going completely insane on the day this match happened, Fire Emblem sat there and only got 63% on a game this site assuredly does not care about. For those of us who thought Bloodborne wouldn't increase much from its 2015 loss to Final Fantasy 12 and picked Fire Emblem to beat it, this was the worst case scenario. It was plain as day after this match that Fire Emblem was screwed.

It was a defensible pick, though. For those of us who picked Xenoblade to make a run, we had to pick Fire Emblem Awakening to make a run by default. Back in 2015 we had Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong Country 2, and Xenoblade all go 50-50 with each other in the same fourpack. So when I picked Xenoblade winning its division as my huge gamble this year, I looked at the paths of Awakening and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze.

....yeah. We saw how those worked out. I had Awakening even beating Resident Evil 2 at one point, but thankfully I changed my mind. I'll talk more about this when the time comes to just trash Fire Emblem: Three Houses, but the very short version is the Fire Emblem series is not as popular as us fans want it to be. Trust me, I'm a hardcore series fan. It's never going to happen, friends. If Three Houses couldn't do it, nothing will.

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I'm still of the opinion that FE has enough Smash baggage and antivotes that will weigh it down in debated matches.
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Division 2 Round 1: (2)Bloodborne vs (15)Call of Duty: Black Ops

(2)Bloodborne - 19353 [80.53%]
(15)Call of Duty: Black Ops - 4679 [19.47%]
Total Votes - 24032
Prediction Percentage - 77.04%

It never ceases to amaze me how non Board 8 contest prognosticators always pick these casualbait games in matches. Only 77% picked Bloodborne to win a 2-15 match, really?

Did you know that Call of Duty games actually used to be able to win matches on this site? It's true! It's even beaten well-known Nintendo and Square games. I promise these polls are real:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3475-division-8-round-1-cod-4-pokemon-dp-s-mario-g-tf2
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3492-division-8-round-2-ssbb-gta4-cod-4-s-mario-g
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4088-east-division-round-1-call-of-duty-4-vs-prince-of-persia-sot
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4099-southeast-division-round-1-modern-warfare-2-vs-dissidia
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4142-east-division-round-2-perfect-dark-vs-call-of-duty-4

Yes, that is actual evidence of Call of Duty 4 beating Super Mario Galaxy TWICE. I get that LFF happened and that Black Ops is going to be weaker than 4, but good hell. As our vote totals have fallen off of the edge of a flat earther's planet, it's clear that the people leaving in droves are the casuals. Site loyalists are the only ones sticking around, and even they're bailing. And since this web site ''loathes'' casualbait video games, things like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto are screwed moving forward.

All that said, Bloodborne was in no way expected to be such a monster in this contest. No one in the oracle had it over 80% in this match, and most people went under 70%. The specter of that Final Fantasy 12 loss loomed large over Bloodborne in this contest, and can you really blame anyone for not having faith in it? The game lost 55-45 to freaking Final Fantasy 12. It's impossible to ignore that.

Thankfully, Bloodborne has built up an incredible reputation in the past few years and came out meaning business this time. I know you all think Doom 2016 is my favorite game in this bracket, but it's actually Bloodborne, believe it or not. Seeing it go from losing to FF12 to holding steady over 80% for an entire match was just surreal. I could not have been happier over this performance, like a proud papa, and I was kicking myself for not picking it to win twice. It is AWESOME that this wonderful video game is getting the respect it so justly deserves. It's the best Souls game ever made, the best action game ever made, it's got the best DLC package ever, and it's really, REALLY difficult. Beating this game feels like a legitimate accomplishment, let alone getting the platinum trophy.

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Hbthebattle posted...

I'm still of the opinion that FE has enough Smash baggage and antivotes that will weigh it down in debated matches.

We're getting to that!

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I didnt trust Awakening at all but was surprised by 3H being weak. It was one of biggest Switch game last year and well-received too. Completely fucked up my bracket.

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Division 3 Round 1: (1)Super Smash Bros. Ultimate vs (16)Tekken 7

(1)Smash Ultimate - 19843 [82.98%]
(16)Tekken 7 - 4071 [17.02%]
Total Votes - 23914
Prediction Percentage - 93.92%

This match was never going to be in doubt, but seeing Ultimate pull off this absurd blowout was beautiful to see nonetheless for one very specific reason.

Whenever a disruptor comes along, the status quo always gets defensive and pissed off instead of evolving to meet new demands. We see it with the Trump presidency causing legacy politicians and their ignorant supporters to lose their collective minds. We see it with the taxi industry not liking Uber. We see it with retail chains blaming Amazon for their own failures. Microsoft and Apple have gone back and forth on this for decades. We saw it with Blockbuster not thinking streaming would take off. We see it with any paradigm shift, really.

Most importantly, we see it now among all of the morons who think Smash Bros isn't a "real" fighting game series. This was never really an argument to begin with, but fighting game fans are hilariously insecure pseudo alpha male types who go around festooning greatness, so seeing them get embarrassed in this non-argument time and time and time again is so good. They are clearly threatened by Smash Bros being the most popular and highest selling fighting series in the history of gaming, and they can't handle people who aren't "real men" (whatever their stupid definition of that is) being more popular than they are. It is ''hilarious'' to watch, and so was Smash Ultimate getting 83% on a garbage can with a garbage can fanbase. Protip for those playing the home game -- if someone constantly tells you they're an alpha male, you are dealing with an insecure loser. The best way to deal with those goofs is to laugh right in their face.

We've won this argument, and we just set the viewership record at EVO. Yeah, the same EVO that you thought Smash didn't deserve to be in. We just took your space over and kicked you out of it, losers. Go watch some more UFC and pretend you could have been a pro athlete if not for that one injury you had in high school. Oh, and I'm a so-called nerd and odds are I've slept with far more women than you. It's called deodorant. Try wearing it. Oh, and maybe tell your old school fighting game developers to evolve a bit. They all got embarrassed in this contest for a reason.

The only real issue here was Smash being in the same half of the bracket as Zelda, but given how this contest ended I have to say it was the right decision. Smash showed here, despite the blowout, that it was not in Zelda's league. No game was.

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PostContestUlti posted...

We've won this argument, and we just set the viewership record at EVO. Yeah, the same EVO that you thought Smash didn't deserve to be in. We just took your space over and kicked you out of it, losers

And then online happened

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Well.

That was a writeup.

ColZach posted...

Im honestly betting Ulti isnt going to go off on a rant about blizzard this time, we all know how he feels. Ive played the shit out of hearthstone and so has ulti, and I know it absolutely deserved to get its ass kicked by Divinity 2, game is fucking GOOD.

He doesn't even have to. He's quietly been adding onto the last one on the wiki on a near monthly basis.

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ctesjbuvf posted...

Then we can count Metal Gear Solid too I suppose

Well the name "Solid" was meant to be a little wink at the trend of series jumping to 3D on their third entry and titling it "[series name] 3D." Then it took over the Metal Gear franchise, kind of like Shin Megami Tensei took over the Megami Tensei series.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Well.

That was a writeup.

People like LowTierGod are the actual worst.

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Panthera posted...

And then online happened

It's definitely a problem, but it makes sense not to do Smash online at EVO. Nintendo's online is a shitshow, and in Smash especially it's laughable garbage. It's the lone stain on an otherwise perfect game.

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I just find it amusing that the rant about Smash at Evo came so perfectly timed with Smash not being at Evo because lolonline

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PostContestUlti posted...

That's it. That's the entire list. Tales fans (and I include myself here) will tell you all day how good these games are, but they never get nominated enough to matter outside of one game that existed on a system with 10 good games on it total -- Melee, Tales of Symphonia, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness, REmake, Paper Mario: TTYD, Fire Emblem 9, and Pikmin. Don't even try with Twilight Princess or Wind Waker. I don't want to hear it.

Well, yeah, TP is a Wii game.

...But seriously, I was surprised at how long it took to come up with anything to counter that. About the only thing I could come up with that's actually a Gamecube exclusive (lol Sonic) is...Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean. Great RPG, possibly even better than Symphonia.

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Division 3 Round 1: (8)The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds vs (9)Bayonetta

(8)Link Between Worlds - 15181 [63.5%]
(9)Bayonetta - 8727 [36.5%]
Total Votes - 23908
Prediction Percentage - 70.35%

This entire match was criminal.

Let's start with the winner. Yes, it was obvious Link Between Worlds was going to win. We can debate percentages all day, but who cares? It was being fed to Smash next round, and one of the biggest what-ifs this year was what if Link Between Worlds was in the bottom half somewhere? A case could even be made that Link Between Worlds is the ''best'' Zelda game, and to see it be handed such a guaranteed path and early exit just sucked. I'm not one for using the 3D on the 3DS, but this game used it in the best way possible and I cannot say enough good things about it. Not only that, but FINALLY we get a damn Zelda game with no limits on items. It's all MP. Go play with your bombs. Go fire some arrows. Go mix and match everything and see what you can come up with. It was a beautiful breath of fresh air.

That said, Bayonetta was royally and indefensibly screwed over by this bracket placement. Did you guys know that this was the first ever contest match for this game? Bayonetta 2 made the field in 2015, but not this one somehow. Given all the love from Smash and Bayonetta the character going on a really cool run two years ago, this was the contest for her game to finally shine. And she draws ''Zelda'' in round 1, of all things. A lesser Zelda game, but a Zelda game nonetheless. We couldn't swap 9 seeds and put X COM 2 here or something? This was by far the dumbest round 1 loss of the entire contest, and Bayonetta really did not deserve this. Atrocious soundtrack aside, and good lord is it bad, I put this right there with Devil May Cry 3 as best pure action game ever made.

I was not alone in being really annoyed by this match, either. There were a whole of topics on the board about it that day, and good. Allen did a great job this contest, but this match was a total botch.

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Okay that's enough for today. 10 writeups in one evening is more than good!

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Man, DOOM is probably the best game in the bracket, what a fantastic game. Now that I'm done with FF7, I'll probably pick up Eternal when I get settled into my new house next month

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Bayonetta 2 had it just as bad if not worse by being put up against NieR: Automata of all things.

Bro that smash vs Tekken write-up lol. How is one person filled with so much vitriol

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Tales is SO bad in these contests, it's honestly worse than GTA at this point.

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Smash Ultimate I believe ended up having a great great contest. That result against Mario coming up later was very impressive.

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I'd like to know what is Ulti's problems with Tekken as a game. What was it that made you dislike it?

Nintendogs posted...

I'd like to know what is Ulti's problems with Tekken as a game. What was it that made you dislike it?

As someone who's watched the Smash and "Fighting Game Community".

There's a group of people in the Traditional Fighting Game Commnity (Street Fighter, Tekken, all those anime games, etc) that don't treat Super Smash Bros as a real fighting game.

I wouldn't say it's the majority (most of them likely don't care) but the very vocal ones in the FGC have shit on Smash Bros not being a fighting game for quite a long time.

So basically it's about as Tekken as a game in particular, he hates parts of the vocal fanbase that don't really respect Smash Bros. as a real fighting game (whether it's Melee or Ultimate). A bunch call Smash just a "party game". Tekken is one of the top 3 most popular games at EVO every year but Smash Bros always destroys it (and basically every other fighting game minus Street Fighter) in entrant numbers.

I still like Smash the most out of any fighting game but I actually enjoy playing differnet fighting games just as much. It's just unfortunate there's a lot of animosity between the Smash scene and FGC though I think it's gotten a little better over the year.

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To be fair, a lot of that is because Smash also has most of the more unsavory entrants into the FGC themselves.

Smash isn't blameless here, they're up their own ass as much as other people are down it.

I always felt smash fans started the argument first by severely crippling what makes Smash Bros fun in the first place to make it qualify as a competitive fighter

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PostContestUlti posted...

Persona 4 Golden and Pokemon HeartGold SoulSilver, had absolutely no right making it into this contest. Those two are just graphical upgrades of games not released in this decade.

Can't speak to Golden, but I will defend to the death that HGSS is far more than a "graphical upgrade". The single player campaign in Pokmon was largely an excuse plot for anywhere from 2 to 3.5 generations, and then Platinum came along and elaborated upon the villainous team storyline (and Sinnoh already had some pretty epic mythology to it, due to being the home region for literal Pok-God.) That was followed up by HeartGold/SoulSilver, which gave GSC the same treatment that Platinum had given DP. It canonized that the rival is Giovanni's son in the game continuity as well, something that had long been true in the manga continuity, and it brought the box legendaries into having an actual part in the plotline, albeit only briefly.

And it had a lot of new content, like the needlessly oblique Safari Zone. Also, walking Pokmon, which is something that literally no other game besides Yellow did. I don't deny that it was a remake, but given how much changed between Gen II and Gen IV (abilities, the Physical/Special split), it's a huge update.

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Good day for writeups

Also, can confirm Ulti HAS indeed been writing more shit about Hearthstone.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

To be fair, a lot of that is because Smash also has most of the more unsavory entrants into the FGC themselves.

Smash isn't blameless here, they're up their own ass as much as other people are down it.

Yeah that's why I said animosity on both sides, I was just trying to explain Ulti's PoV of this writeup.

Smash is a bit judgmental on their own side. I think the Smash series being most popular kinda gets to their head where they say things like "we don't need EVO!" and they're the least likely to try other fighting games that aren't Smash.

The community also seems to to favor different thigns. They clearly put their top players on higher pedestals, almost like gods, while FGCers do respect top players there seems to be more of a drive to beat them over worshiping them.

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As someone who spent half their life affiliated with the smash scene, I understand the issue very well. I just can't understand the insane level of hatred coming out of ulti in that post lol. It's spoken like someone who has had a bogeyman building up in their head for years without ever finding any release. It's not healthy

Regardless, the actual issue is definitely not as big of one as it was when melee/brawl (mostly melee but it was around the era of when brawl was still a thing) were gaining popularity and smash was starting to be taken seriously among competitive gaming outside of the smash scene itself. There was definitely a lot of insecurity among traditional fgc players that a game that didn't fit the mold of what they liked and had a very separated fanbasev suddenly being grouped in with them. It's understandable and though to this day there are some never smashbros voices in the fgc I think at this point a lot of them have accepted smash on some level. Since by now a lot of them have entered the scene after smash was initially thrust upon them and it's easier to accept when it's part of your reality from the get go. Mostly it's just the old heads that have remained and those that are comfortable parroting those sentiments (looking for someone to ostracize for whatever reason, or have personally had bad interactions with smash players that were amplified knowing there were already those beliefs out there and if they echoed them it wouldn't be met negatively). It's honestly not too different from racism in the US currently, just...a lot less serious.

Regardless, from the smash perspective I would say a large percentage of the old melee guard in NC (the scene I grew up with) have tried competitive fgc games besides smash, but far fewer of the newer (smash 4 or ultimate) players have seriously tried them. At this point I see more bleedover from the traditional fgc popping in and out of smash ultimate then vice versa, which definitely would not be said when melee was big and brawl was the only other smash title. I've also noticed that among the top players in smash here there is a much larger willingness to try and take an fgc title seriously and learn the ropes then among those that go 0-2 and dip, but I suppose that's more of a casual vs diehard thing then a skill thing at that point.

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What was really meant to be the appeal of CoD in the first place, BTW? From what I gather it was trying to make you feel like you were truly in a war fighting alongside other soldiers, but then it just degenerated into spunkgargleweewee where you just let your AI teammates do all the work for you.

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I like Smash Bros

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People that look down on Smash as "not a REAL fighting game" are idiots

The bigger idiots are the Smash players that look down on people that play the game casually or with items. Unfortunately, I think there are more in the latter category these days (as evidenced by all the Melee nuthuggers)

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