Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1354

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_SecretSquirrel
04/27/20 6:57:17 PM
#402:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
This sounds... pretty entertaining to watch and laugh about.
A lot of it just down to Nintendo being awful at Online, so with the additional demands on the servers due to quarantine, we now end up with #FixUltimate trending on Twitter for a signifcant time and prestigous tournaments being decided via no fault DQs.

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MechanicalWall
04/27/20 6:57:53 PM
#403:


KamikazePotato posted...
The most interesting part about the quarantined Smash community starting up online tournaments to fill the void is watching pro players slowly turn just as cancerous as the community at large
To be fair to them, imagine having all the pressure in the world for you to maintain your top ten status in the only tournaments that can be held rn, which everyone is watching bc they're stuck at home... only to job out to Wifi Warriors who know how to play on like 10 millions frames of buffering while everyone dunks on you for 'falling off'

I'd be mad salty too

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adamko
04/27/20 6:57:57 PM
#404:


There's nothing you can do when you have cancer like Leffen as one of the leaders of the smash community
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KamikazePotato
04/27/20 6:59:01 PM
#405:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
This sounds... pretty entertaining to watch and laugh about.
Yesterday a well-known pro player was down 2-0 in bracket. He stopped the match complaining about lag (his opponent had taken a lag test previously and passed). His opponent was DQd because the squeaky wheel gets the grease as long as people know who you are, and the pro player went on to win the tournament.

In a previous tournament, there was a mid-Grand Finals disconnect and the winner was decided by community vote.

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LeonhartFour
04/27/20 6:59:12 PM
#406:


_SecretSquirrel posted...

Yeah, Mario Kart 64 is not taking down the top players in this contest. It might take down some of the weaker entries in the top 16, but if Goldeneye can't beat Skyrim (even with Skyrim losing a bit of luster, I don't think that result flips), I don't think think Mario Kart 64 can beat one of the top tier entrants in this contest like Dark Souls.


But it could probably get within 55/45 now.

I would like to see Mario Kart 64 get a legit chance to shine in a contest someday.
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FFDragon
04/27/20 6:59:49 PM
#407:


I've never seen the Smash community not be a pulsing mass of cancer, so it's comforting that even in these crazy times there is some consistency still out there.

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CaptainOfCrush
04/27/20 7:00:23 PM
#408:


KamikazePotato posted...
In a previous tournament, there was a mid-Grand Finals disconnect and the winner was decided by community vote.
LOL oh man

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Heropon_Riki
04/27/20 7:00:39 PM
#409:


MechanicalWall posted...
I know the video you're talking and tbf the buffering complaints are valid, I just don't think they're the game ruining thing the guy makes them out to be.


Yeah I'm not saying they aren't valid and a toggle would be nice. As someone who sucks at timing their inputs I actually really like the buffering but I get how it can get in the way of more skilled players. Again it's still kind of a minor thing. The Smash community gets really up in arms about every tiny flaw and often fails to appreciate the bigger picture of how insanely good Smash is as a package.

But yes online Smash fans are cancer. At in-person tournaments tho most ppl tend to be pleasant, although I have seen more than one controller launched in the past (and the TOs never seem to do shit about these ppl so long as they play decently enough)

I used to go to Smash tournaments mostly just for fun, but sadly people playing for fun have been getting edged out in my local scene by players who take the game way too seriously. My one gripe with Smash Ultimate is that it's one of the best casual party games ever made yet it's extremely difficult to actually play that way since most people latch on to no items 1v1 battles on like 10 of the 100+ stages, and reject attempts to play just for fun. So I end up mostly having to play with newbies who just kind of SD repeatedly. Really wish there were more people who are both semi-decent at the game and are open-minded about playing with different rulesets. I find myself watching Alpharad videos and salivating with jealously that he has a friend group to play fun Smash with.

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KamikazePotato
04/27/20 7:03:06 PM
#410:


In retrospect, the people who said that Byleth might deboost Smash Ultimate may have been closer to the truth than I realized. The Smash fanbase is exactly the kind of fanbase to turn on a game with a metric shitton of content because 1 character that they disapprove of was added.

adamko posted...
There's nothing you can do when you have cancer like Leffen as one of the leaders of the smash community
This is also a problem. The loudest, most obnoxious voices ALWAYS rise to the top of the Smash community.

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_SecretSquirrel
04/27/20 7:03:59 PM
#411:


Now, bear in mind that the pro-community doesn't neccessarily align with how GameFAQs votes. There's still a chance Ultimate wins via being an enjoyable gaming experience that celebrates the nostalgia of one of the greatest extended universes in all of gaming, and has expanded to pay tribute to other great gaming legends like FFVII, Metal Gear Solid, Persona 5, among others.

I'd argue only a fraction of UIltimate's strength is going to be affected by the competitive community, but it's whether or not this puts it in striking distance for Odyssey or not.

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MechanicalWall
04/27/20 7:07:22 PM
#412:


Heropon_Riki posted...
Really wish there were more people who are both semi-decent at the game and are open-minded about playing with different rulesets. I find myself watching Alpharad videos and salivating with jealously that he has a friend group to play fun Smash with.
It's just a matter of knowing the purpose of the local. I go to locals for the 1v1 competitive ruleset and to fight people at that level; I wouldn't expect someone who goes there to play 4 players with items on to have a good time, but that space isn't really there for them. Especially in Michigan, a lot of the locals here are pretty cutthroat.

Maybe you can talk to the community organizers in your area about maybe having a local dedicated to more casual play.

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Wildspark
04/27/20 7:08:15 PM
#413:


4 players with items off is still really fun

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Heropon_Riki
04/27/20 7:10:58 PM
#414:


_SecretSquirrel posted...
Now, bear in mind that the pro-community doesn't neccessarily align with how GameFAQs votes. There's still a chance Ultimate wins via being an enjoyable gaming experience that celebrates the nostalgia of one of the greatest extended universes in all of gaming, and has expanded to pay tribute to other great gaming legends like FFVII, Metal Gear Solid, Persona 5, among others.

I'd argue only a fraction of UIltimate's strength is going to be affected by the competitive community, but it's whether or not this puts it in striking distance for Odyssey or not.

Brawl beating Melee in the GotD poll last time is a promising sign that casual players outweigh the more competitive types. Not saying necessarily every competitive player voted Melee or that every casual player voted Brawl, but those groups do generally align with those games during that time period.

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KamikazePotato
04/27/20 7:12:14 PM
#415:


I genuinely haven't had fun playing with items since Melee and none of my friends group have either. Ever since Brawl the items in Smash have gotten really, really strong to the point where many items are straight-up better than an entire character. In Smash 64 and Melee even the strongest items felt more like modifiers or bonuses that added twists that could be played around. Now you've got stuff like the Wind Bellows that just kills you for free.

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KamikazePotato
04/27/20 7:13:30 PM
#416:


Casual players heavily outweigh competitive types on GameFAQs, but casual players are also much more fickle

I said this on The Show but I honestly think that if someone put Byleth in a user-submitted Smash Ultimate pic it would be the highest form of pic sabotage

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Heropon_Riki
04/27/20 7:14:07 PM
#417:


MechanicalWall posted...
It's just a matter of knowing the purpose of the local. I go to locals for the 1v1 competitive ruleset and to fight people at that level; I wouldn't expect someone who goes there to play 4 players with items on to have a good time, but that space isn't really there for them. Especially in Michigan, a lot of the locals here are pretty cutthroat.

Maybe you can talk to the community organizers in your area about maybe having a local dedicated to more casual play.

Yeah that's kind of the problem. It started out as a more casual environment that still obviously did the tournaments with tournament rulesets but you could still play casual friendlies after getting knocked out. But the casual players just kind of got edged out as more well-known pros started coming to our locals, and it turned a lot of them off of Smash in general. I still try to get my old Smash casual buddies to play with fun rules occasionally but they've kind of been soured on Smash and mostly play puzzle games these days.

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_SecretSquirrel
04/27/20 7:15:04 PM
#418:


KamikazePotato posted...
Casual players heavily outweigh competitive types on GameFAQs, but casual players are also much more fickle

I said this on The Show but I honestly think that if someone put Byleth in a user-submitted Smash Ultimate pic it would be the highest form of pic sabotage
I am almost half tempted to do a Fire Emblem only match pic, but then I'd get scared that Allen might actually use it.

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MetalmindStats
04/27/20 7:15:26 PM
#419:


MechanicalWall posted...
Leon did the x-stats for the Smash/Odyssey Division and they look wacky if you take Smash to win.
Welcome to the Nintendo hierarchy. Now, I'm not 100% certain that Ultimate trumps Odyssey in the hierarchy, and I actually think Kirby's been a fraud hidden behind fluky draws and waiting to get exposed for quite a while, but rSFF provides a very easy explanation if Ultimate wins.

_SecretSquirrel posted...
Probably the best way of looking at the hypothetical MK64 question is: which games in the final 16 do you think it could take?
I would take it over every single one of the games you mentioned in this post, most likely even in this contest's setting. As for Dark Souls vs. MK64, I would probably take MK64 in an ordinary game contest, but I'd probably side with Dark Souls in this contest.

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transience
04/27/20 7:15:32 PM
#420:


if a picture of a smash character is enough to derail its chances (from a popular game, no less) then it's a pretty wishy washy game in the first place.

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transience
04/27/20 7:16:44 PM
#421:


wait, have people really switched sides to Odyssey? even after arkham city did decently and cuphead looked pretty bad?

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Kira_Amaya
04/27/20 7:17:22 PM
#422:


So, theoretically, if 2B was announced for Smash Ultimate like, a week before today, how different would this match be?

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ctesjbuvf
04/27/20 7:17:59 PM
#423:


KamikazePotato posted...
I genuinely haven't had fun playing with items since Melee and none of my friends group have either. Ever since Brawl the items in Smash have gotten really, really strong to the point where many items are straight-up better than an entire character. In Smash 64 and Melee even the strongest items felt more like modifiers or bonuses that added twists that could be played around. Now you've got stuff like the Wind Bellows that just kills you for free.

Well, I've always just disabled the broke items and I think as long as you can do that there's no issue.

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LeonhartFour
04/27/20 7:19:49 PM
#424:


Okay, time for some X-Stat requests:

If BOTW triples DQXI:

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 50.00%
Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age - 25.00%
Monster Hunter: World - 23.36%
Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice - 20.65%
Final Fantasy XV 19.76%
Bravely Default: Flying Fairy - 19.65%
Hollow Knight 19.59%
Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch - 17.11%
Halo: Reach 15.14%
The Outer Worlds 14.98%
Tales of Berseria 14.57%
Bastion - 14.05%
The Walking Dead: A Telltale Games Series - 13.42%
Life is Strange 13.28%
What Remains of Edith Finch 10.02%
The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC - 9.67%

If FFXV = KH3 = FFXIV:

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 50.00%
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - 31.91%
Portal 2 - 26.25%
Mario Kart 8 - 24.92%
Red Dead Redemption - 24.42%
Animal Crossing: New Leaf - 20.71%
Uncharted 4: A Thief's End - 20.51%
Final Fantasy XV 19.76%
Kingdom Hearts III - 19.76%
Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn - 19.76%
Hollow Knight 19.59%
Tomb Raider - 18.22%
Journey - 15.97%
Halo: Reach 15.14%
The Outer Worlds 14.98%
Tales of Berseria 14.57%
Street Fighter V - 13.87%
Life is Strange 13.28%
Disco Elysium - 12.62%
Crypt of the NecroDancer - 11.25%
Fate/Grand Order - 10.79%
Subnautica - 10.21%
What Remains of Edith Finch 10.02%
Dying Light - 9.09%
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KamikazePotato
04/27/20 7:20:27 PM
#425:


transience posted...
if a picture of a smash character is enough to derail its chances (from a popular game, no less) then it's a pretty wishy washy game in the first place.
Every Smash fanbase except Melee's is wishy-washy. If Brawl got in it these days it would be maybe the least-transitive game we've ever had.

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transience
04/27/20 7:24:42 PM
#426:


here, I'll play. what does Shovel Knight = Cuphead look like?

or RDR1 = RDR2?

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Heropon_Riki
04/27/20 7:27:23 PM
#427:


KamikazePotato posted...
Every Smash fanbase except Melee's is wishy-washy. If Brawl got in it these days it would be maybe the least-transitive game we've ever had.

Melee and Brawl are if anything more divisive games than Ultimate. Ultimate kind of strikes a balance, but a lot of casual players hate Melee and a lot of competitive players hate Brawl. They're definitely the two games that leaned the hardest in those respective directions.

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LeonhartFour
04/27/20 7:33:11 PM
#428:


transience posted...
here, I'll play. what does Shovel Knight = Cuphead look like?

or RDR1 = RDR2?


Shovel Knight = Cuphead:

Super Mario Odyssey - 50.00%
Persona 4 Golden - 35.72%
Red Dead Redemption - 35.13%
Grand Theft Auto V - 34.96%
Devil May Cry 5 28.69%
Shovel Knight 27.19%
Cuphead - 27.19%
Octopath Traveler 26.99%
Undertale 25.22%
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze 24.44%
Dragons Dogma 19.36%
XCOM 2 - 17.62%
FTL: Faster Than Light - 15.88%
Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective - 14.85%
Baba Is You - 14.50%
Mortal Kombat 11 14.03%

RDR1 = RDR2:

Portal 2 50.00%
Persona 4 Golden - 47.31%
Red Dead Redemption - 46.52%
Red Dead Redemption 2 46.52%
Grand Theft Auto V - 46.30%
Animal Crossing: New Leaf 39.44%
Kingdom Hearts III 37.64%
Cuphead - 36.80%
Tomb Raider 34.71%
Street Fighter V 26.41%
Disco Elysium 24.04%
XCOM 2 - 23.34%
FTL: Faster Than Light - 21.03%
Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective - 19.66%
Baba Is You - 19.20%
Dying Light 17.31%
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transcience
04/27/20 7:53:56 PM
#429:


Im thinking Cupheads better than SK having seen that. I cant believe in DMC5 that much.

how about Bravely Default = Octopath? or, heres a weird one - Yakuza 0 = KH3?

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CaptainOfCrush
04/27/20 7:57:40 PM
#430:


Time to see if I was lucky enough to crack the Top 50 before the Round 4 minefield.

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hylianknight3
04/27/20 7:58:59 PM
#432:


Just remembered to vote!

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ZeldaTPLink
04/27/20 7:59:13 PM
#433:


What I know about the Smash community is that they are famous for being stinky.

No, seriously.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/smash-players-smell
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LeonhartFour
04/27/20 8:00:45 PM
#434:


UltimaterializerX posted...

Is there a way to check anything fun if BOTW = OOT?


Well, that's difficult because it relies on a lot of stuff being constant from 2015 and that clearly hasn't been the case!
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calimelee
04/27/20 8:01:10 PM
#435:


no contest today?
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LeonhartFour
04/27/20 8:01:21 PM
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_SecretSquirrel
04/27/20 8:02:25 PM
#437:


Yeah, I figured there would be nothing.

The question now becomes, how will a cold reset affect ME2 and RE2?

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ctesjbuvf
04/27/20 8:03:01 PM
#438:


Apparently NieR won the anonymous vote

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ZeldaTPLink
04/27/20 8:03:32 PM
#439:


Where's the 2nd chance bracket btw?
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_SecretSquirrel
04/27/20 8:04:18 PM
#440:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Apparently NieR won the anonymous vote
Link? I can't really access it without the vote page.

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Ranticoot
04/27/20 8:04:40 PM
#441:


Second chance bracket has an oracle apparently

Huh, neat

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hylianknight3
04/27/20 8:05:29 PM
#442:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/features/gotd_vote_results

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Team Rocket Elite
04/27/20 8:05:35 PM
#443:


9 people fell off the Top 50. Rolycoly, OnMySide, Concon85334, MasterMoltar, lordjers, t_kizzle, MetalmindStats, hombad46 and PumpkinCoach got at least one match wrong.

2 users scored half points but survived. squexa and LinkMarioSamus only got 4 points but are still on the Top 50.
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CaptainOfCrush
04/27/20 8:06:01 PM
#444:




@Ngamer64 I'm finally carrying my own weight!

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_SecretSquirrel
04/27/20 8:07:11 PM
#445:


Augh, I did not expect the second chance to be an Oracle contest.

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ZeldaTPLink
04/27/20 8:07:17 PM
#446:


Ranticoot posted...
Second chance bracket has an oracle apparently

Huh, neat

Wait what
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ZeldaTPLink
04/27/20 8:07:52 PM
#447:


Oh I'm seeing the link.

I was... kind of expecting that. Otherwise it turns into tiebreaker contest.
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VeryInsane
04/27/20 8:09:28 PM
#448:


huh despite how screwy some of my picks were, I'm only 1 point away from top 50

I don't think that'll happen (had three houses and last of us in top 8) but I guess I wasn't as terrible as I expected

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LeonhartFour
04/27/20 8:11:40 PM
#449:


Division 8 X-Stats:

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 50.00%
Mario Kart 8 39.10%
Uncharted 4: A Thiefs End 32.18%
Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn 31.00%
Journey 25.02%
Crypt of the NecroDancer 17.65%
Fate/Grand Order 16.91%
Subnautica 16.00%

Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver Version 50.00%
NieR: Automata 48.13%
Bayonetta 2 30.41%
Divinity: Original Sin II 30.10%
Rayman Legends 28.03%
Celeste 27.78%
Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft 18.53%
Night in the Woods 18.04%
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charmander6000
04/27/20 8:14:07 PM
#450:


So what happens if you predicted the wrong game in the previous round? Do you automatically get zero points?

This would be important in SSBU/SMO as the winner will defeat Xenoblade/P4G

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transcience
04/27/20 8:15:18 PM
#451:


a site-wide oracle challenge, huh? thatll be fun. that smash/odyssey match is a killer.

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