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Default1234
02/29/20 9:47:19 AM
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Default1234
02/29/20 9:47:34 AM
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looks like they got all the opium they wanted
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DundiesAward
02/29/20 9:48:13 AM
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Good now that money spent on wars can be spent elsewhere like the coronavirus, NASA, or helping the homeless.

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cmiller4642
02/29/20 9:48:25 AM
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Pence is all about the way they refused to let women get an education or leave the house without being covered.
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MrResetti
02/29/20 9:49:21 AM
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DundiesAward posted...
Good now that money spent on wars can be spent elsewhere like the coronavirus, NASA, or helping the homeless.
Haha, that's great

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Default1234
02/29/20 9:50:03 AM
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cmiller4642 posted...
Pence is all about the way they refused to let women get an education or leave the house without being covered.
what and why do you care anyway?
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cmiller4642
02/29/20 9:50:45 AM
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Default1234 posted...
what and why do you care anyway?

I don't want to live in Gilead from Handmaid's Tale personally. I know some of Trump's biggest supporters would love to.
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Default1234
02/29/20 9:51:33 AM
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cmiller4642 posted...
I don't want to live in Gilead from Handmaid's Tale personally. I know some of Trump's biggest supporters would love to.
I have no idea what that is or what you are talking about
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metralo
02/29/20 9:52:47 AM
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Default1234 posted...
I have no idea what that is or what you are talking about
probably because youre a trump supporter and you dont read

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On_The_Edge
02/29/20 9:52:52 AM
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cmiller4642 posted...
Pence is all about the way they refused to let women get an education or leave the house without being covered.

Pence is a Christian, not a Muslim.

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trappedunderice
02/29/20 9:53:09 AM
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Hey Tc who is your main so I can tag you.

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UnholyMudcrab
02/29/20 9:53:22 AM
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Default1234
02/29/20 9:53:28 AM
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metralo posted...
probably because youre a trump supporter and you dont read
no because I am not American and I don't care about Trump or any politician
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cmiller4642
02/29/20 9:53:28 AM
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On_The_Edge posted...
Pence is a Christian, not a Muslim.

He's one of those psycho Christians that literally interprets the Bible as 100% truth.

He also definitely hates women.
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Hexenherz
02/29/20 9:57:57 AM
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I still find it weird as fuck that we brokered this deal with the Taliban directly without any involvement of the actual Afghan government...

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cmiller4642
02/29/20 9:59:23 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
I still find it weird as fuck that we brokered this deal with the Taliban directly without any involvement of the actual Afghan government...

Trump loves the Taliban great people. Great history. SJW's and soy boys think that torturing women because they were caught learning to read is a bad thing.
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Default1234
02/29/20 10:08:05 AM
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cmiller4642 posted...
Trump loves the Taliban great people. Great history. SJW's and soy boys think that torturing women because they were caught learning to read is a bad thing.

why do you care? it's not your country
Afghans want to preserve their culture and way of life. You think everyone wants to live like west with people having sex in cars and strip clubs.

Women in middle east cover up because they want to cover up. Not because they are forced to. Stop following American media brainwashing telling you that women are oppressed everywhere but the west.
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cmiller4642
02/29/20 10:09:22 AM
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Default1234 posted...
why do you care? it's not your country
Afghans want to preserve their culture and way of life. You think everyone wants to live like west with people having sex in cars and strip clubs.

Women in middle east cover up because they want to cover up. Not because they are forced to. Stop following American media brainwashing telling you that women are oppressed everywhere but the west.

The Taliban literally harbored terrorists and were responsible for 9/11.

Now Trump is buddy buddy with them.
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Bio1590
02/29/20 10:12:06 AM
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Afghanistan is, once again, absolutely fucked. 100% the Taliban is going to retake the country when the US leaves.
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Default1234
02/29/20 10:16:53 AM
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cmiller4642 posted...
The Taliban literally harbored terrorists and were responsible for 9/11.

Now Trump is buddy buddy with them.

you have been brainwashed good by American media
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Hexenherz
02/29/20 10:18:37 AM
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Default1234 posted...
why do you care? it's not your country
Afghans want to preserve their culture and way of life. You think everyone wants to live like west with people having sex in cars and strip clubs.

Women in middle east cover up because they want to cover up. Not because they are forced to. Stop following American media brainwashing telling you that women are oppressed everywhere but the west.
This is a terrible take to be honest.

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Default1234
02/29/20 10:21:38 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
Afghanistan is, once again, absolutely fucked. 100% the Taliban is going to retake the country when the US leaves.

well of course, they made the deal with the Taliban themselves
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ReignFury
02/29/20 10:31:41 AM
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We spent trillions and 2500 lives

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Default1234
02/29/20 10:33:45 AM
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ReignFury posted...
We spent trillions and 2500 lives
for the elites
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thronedfire2
02/29/20 10:35:12 AM
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ReignFury posted...
We spent trillions and 2500 lives

But now Trump gets to bring troops home before the election!

even though theyll probably end up in Saudi Arabia or Iran instead of back home

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s0nicfan
02/29/20 10:37:41 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
I still find it weird as fuck that we brokered this deal with the Taliban directly without any involvement of the actual Afghan government...

They didn't skip that part. That's next:
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/28/21158137/afghanistan-war-trump-taliban-peace-deal
The signing would conclude years-long negotiations between the US and the Taliban. But theres still a lot to do before most of Americas 12,000 service members can leave Afghanistan.

The Taliban and the Afghan government need to come to their own peace agreement, a process that could take months to years, experts say. Those talks, scheduled to start on March 10, will be very tricky, because the insurgents reject Afghan President Ashraf Ghanis administration as an American puppet with little control outside the capital.

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Shablagoo
02/29/20 10:39:33 AM
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On_The_Edge posted...
Pence is a Christian, not a Muslim.

Puritanism exists within all religions. There are some Christian sects in my city where women are expected to cover themselves head-to-toe. Pence is definitely in that sort of category when you consider, for example, his hesitancy to authorize the needle exchange program in Scott County.

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Bio1590
02/29/20 10:50:56 AM
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s0nicfan posted...


They didn't skip that part. That's next:
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/28/21158137/afghanistan-war-trump-taliban-peace-deal

They should have been involved from Day 1. The statement "The US brokered a deal with the Taliban without any involvement of the Afghan government" is factually correct.
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ElatedVenusaur
02/29/20 10:54:27 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
They should have been involved from Day 1. The statement "The US brokered a deal with the Taliban without any involvement of the Afghan government" is factually correct.
I'm sure we discussed when the Taliban could feel free to capture Kabul. No need for the Taliban to negotiate with rotting plywood.
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Default1234
02/29/20 8:45:57 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Afghanistan is, once again, absolutely fucked. 100% the Taliban is going to retake the country when the US leaves.

the idea was to allow Taliban to take part in elections since the people were in support of them, but democracy hardly lasts for long in Afghanistan
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Smackems
02/29/20 8:48:42 PM
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Good get us the hell out

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Broseph_Stalin
02/29/20 8:49:32 PM
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this isn't a peace deal so much as it's a surrender agreement

art of the deal!
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Default1234
02/29/20 8:50:58 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
this isn't a peace deal so much as it's a surrender agreement

art of the deal!
americans lost again
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Skye Reynolds
02/29/20 9:28:00 PM
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You can't go to war with a concept. War on drugs, war on terrorism, etc.

Our goal was to get Bin Laden and we accomplished that a long time ago. That's when the troops should've started coming home. You can't realistically occupy the Middle East or enforce democracy. Nor can you rid the world of enemies. There's always gonna be a potential danger out there somewhere.

We should've pulled out long ago. I won't say that I'm apathetic about what happens to the people there, but we can't police the world. It's not our nation to try and govern. All we can do is go in and take out the bad guys if they threaten us. We did that already. It's not within our power to say who will be in charge of Afghanistan when we leave or to stay there and occupy it indefinitely.
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Zikten
02/29/20 9:35:27 PM
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Default1234 posted...
I have no idea what that is or what you are talking about
Gilead is the name america turns into in The Handmaiden's Tale. A book and a show on hulu about in the future when america collapses and turns into a hardcore christian extremist theocracy
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VTBM
02/29/20 9:43:31 PM
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We will be back, and in greater numbers.

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hockeybub89
02/29/20 9:52:01 PM
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Skye Reynolds
02/29/20 9:53:38 PM
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We didn't sign terms of surrender.

Whether this battle was a loss, a victory, or a draw depends upon what happens next. If the Taliban takes over, violence reigns, and we do nothing, then it was a loss. If the Taliban takes over, violence reigns, and we go back, then the fight isn't over and the winner is yet to be determined. And if the Taliban fails to take over, or keeps it it keeps its word, then the fight is a draw or a modest victory of objectives.
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21WIVES_CHILL
02/29/20 9:54:46 PM
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Sad part is Democrats will cry about it.
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Skye Reynolds
02/29/20 9:57:40 PM
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21WIVES_CHILL posted...
Sad part is Democrats will cry about it.

From the reports that I've read, it's not so much, "Trump is a bad man for ending the war," as it is, "This is Vietnam 2.0. The American Empire has lost again. (Let's never do that war thing ever again.)"

They have commented on Trump's rambling comments and his naive approach to the agreed upon conditions though.
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Default1234
02/29/20 10:01:30 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
We didn't sign terms of surrender.

Whether this battle was a loss, a victory, or a draw depends upon what happens next. If the Taliban takes over, violence reigns, and we do nothing, then it was a loss. If the Taliban takes over, violence reigns, and we go back, then the fight isn't over and the winner is yet to be determined. And if the Taliban fails to take over, or keeps it it keeps its word, then the fight is a draw or a modest victory of objectives.

why is it America's business anyways? you think Americans are the good guys going there to defeat the evil terrorists and liberate their country and introduce democracy? if you actually believe that then you couldn't be more brainwashed
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TiamatNM
02/29/20 10:05:24 PM
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This is a no-win situation. Pulling out is less of a loss than staying there for the next 100 years.
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Broseph_Stalin
02/29/20 10:06:43 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
We didn't sign terms of surrender.

We agreed to a complete withdrawal for nothing more than a pinky promise from them over terrorist attacks against us. Ask yourself why we're even negotiating and signing a treaty with an insurgent group, we've already legitimized them as the government of Afghanistan.
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Skye Reynolds
02/29/20 10:19:01 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
We agreed to a complete withdrawal for nothing more than a pinky promise from them over terrorist attacks against us. Ask yourself why we're even negotiating and signing a treaty with an insurgent group, we've already legitimized them as the government of Afghanistan.

Because we've lost 150 troops to people we trained to fight the Taliban after we've left. Because we killed the man who sent planes into our buildings. Because nobody wants our troops to be there. There's no reason for America to stay. There never has been.

Default1234 posted...
why is it America's business anyways? you think Americans are the good guys going there to defeat the evil terrorists and liberate their country and introduce democracy? if you actually believe that then you couldn't be more brainwashed

America can't liberate a nation. It's not realistic to try and reach across the globe and maintain a hold on another nation. You can take the rock, sure, but you can't hold it indefinitely. If you gamble long enough, the house is going to win.
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Skye Reynolds
02/29/20 10:54:20 PM
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Looking at the big picture, our troops that had been taken as prisoners of war made this outcome the only possible one. We could've walked away after killing Bin Laden, declared ourselves the victor, and let happen to Afghanistan whatever may. But that also would've meant forfeiting the lives of our troops that had been taken prisoner. A terrorist group has no reason to honor the Geneva Convention.

So it was going to be absolute victory culminating with the disbanding of the Taliban or an eventual terms of agreement which saw us getting our prisoners back and the Taliban getting their country back.
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