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Perfectinsanity
01/21/20 4:52:11 PM
#202:


AbysmalTrinity posted...
How many Cavemen were circumcised?


And look at what happened to them...

Also, anyone find it strange that this woman he's interviewing said she had no idea about the subject, yet used a highly specific nickname for people who argue to keep dicks intact?


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Funkydog
01/21/20 4:53:06 PM
#203:


darkphoenix181 posted...
But instead the argument is to stop Jews from being allowed to legally do it and insult their cultural practice.
How do you feel about cultures that have a history of circumsing females?

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VandorLee
01/21/20 4:53:25 PM
#204:


Whatta bout:

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) found that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks

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darkphoenix181
01/21/20 4:54:01 PM
#205:


@uwnim posted...
The practice is wide spread among plenty of people who arent part of those ethnic groups.

If that is the issue, then frame it as such.

So far it has been targetted as saying all, even Jewish circumscision is wrong. That the very practice is disfigurement. That it is mutilation. That it is archaic, barabric.

Not that non-Jews do it too much.

So, if the idea isn't to mock a Jewish practice, why is this the case?
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uwnim
01/21/20 4:54:53 PM
#206:


VandorLee posted...
What about:

* Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. However, boys with uncircumcised penises can be taught to wash regularly beneath the foreskin.
* Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The risk of urinary tract infections in males is low, but these infections are more common in uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later.
* Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might have a lower risk of certain sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Still, safe sexual practices remain essential.
* Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis can be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can lead to inflammation of the foreskin or head of the penis.
* Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men. In addition, cervical cancer is less common in the female sexual partners of circumcised men.

Phimosis is a medically acceptable reason to perform a circumcision. Circumcising everyone just in case they get that would not be a good idea though.

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NPGOperator
01/21/20 4:55:05 PM
#207:


VandorLee posted...
Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. However, boys with uncircumcised penises can be taught to wash regularly beneath the foreskin

its p easy to wash your dick, regardless of circumcision

VandorLee posted...
Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The risk of urinary tract infections in males is low, but these infections are more common in uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later.
Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might have a lower risk of certain sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Still, safe sexual practices remain essential.
Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men. In addition, cervical cancer is less common in the female sexual partners of circumcised men.

these are spurious. your cut dick isnt going to protect you from aids. those other two conditions are so rare that it would be literal insanity to consider them justification. i can point to other portly researched studies that suggests cut dicks lose sensitivity

VandorLee posted...
Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis can be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can lead to inflammation of the foreskin or head of the penis.

this would be the one case of necessary circumcision, but its rare so we should treat it when it happens, not look at prevention
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VandorLee
01/21/20 4:56:22 PM
#208:


Im listing even more reasons why when you said theres NONE:

Newer evidence has accumulated that had not been previously considered by the AAP in its review of benefits and costs of circumcision, including that of its benefit in decreasing HIV and STD transmission

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NPGOperator
01/21/20 4:57:37 PM
#209:


VandorLee posted...
Whatta bout:

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) found that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks

In 2013, a group of 38 Northern European pediatricians, doctors, surgeons, ethicists and lawyers co-authored a comment stating that they found the AAP's technical report and policy statement suffered from cultural bias, and reached recommendations and conclusions different from those of physicians in other parts of the world;[22] in particular, the group advocated instead a policy of no-harm towards the infants and respect for their rights of bodily integrity and age of consent.[22] An opinion by two authors stated that, in their view, the AAP's analysis was inaccurate, improper and incomplete.[23]
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NPGOperator
01/21/20 4:58:21 PM
#210:


VandorLee posted...
Im listing even more reasons why when you said theres NONE:

Newer evidence has accumulated that had not been previously considered by the AAP in its review of benefits and costs of circumcision, including that of its benefit in decreasing HIV and STD transmission

your cut dick wont stop you getting stds
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UnfairRepresent
01/21/20 4:58:47 PM
#211:


Hairistotle posted...
wait im confused is it mutilation or is it cosmetic surgery?


its both

s cosmetic surgery mutilation?


Can be

VandorLee posted...
What about:

* Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. However, boys with uncircumcised penises can be taught to wash regularly beneath the foreskin.
* Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The risk of urinary tract infections in males is low, but these infections are more common in uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later.
* Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might have a lower risk of certain sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Still, safe sexual practices remain essential.
* Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis can be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can lead to inflammation of the foreskin or head of the penis.
* Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men. In addition, cervical cancer is less common in the female sexual partners of circumcised men.


all of these are tied to point #1

if you have basic hygiene there are no benefits however there are risks

if you have bad hygiene having an intact penis is marginally more at risk however that's the least of your problems

Gheb posted...

That's great, but what is wrong with letting those men actually have a say in whether they were circumcised or not? The earliest the attractiveness of cut vs uncut comes into play is the teenage years, so why not wait until your kid hits that point so he can make an informed decision.

they don't have an answer to this and never will
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VandorLee
01/21/20 4:59:57 PM
#212:


male circumcision reduces the risk of acquiring genital herpes by 28% to 34%, and the risk of developing genital ulceration by 47%

Its another reason. Go figure.

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NPGOperator
01/21/20 5:01:01 PM
#213:


cutting your testicles off reduces the risk of testicular cancer by 100%
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Zodd3224
01/21/20 5:02:03 PM
#214:


I'll take my chance with those insignificant small chances of those minor annoyances. Leave my dick alone.

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VandorLee
01/21/20 5:02:14 PM
#215:


So now were debating the "absolutely no reason(s)" there are for circumcission. Funny, hmmmmm.....

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UnfairRepresent
01/21/20 5:02:32 PM
#216:


now VendorLee is doing it too

Why is the entire pro child circumcision argument based on ignoring 90% of what everyone says and repeating things that have been debunked

its religion at this point
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brestugo
01/21/20 5:02:54 PM
#217:


Blighboy posted...
A good friend of mine had his wife of three years leave him after finding out he was uncut


gr8b8

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NPGOperator
01/21/20 5:03:10 PM
#218:


i mean theyre so insignificant they might as well not be reasons, and theyre far from proven accurate either
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VandorLee
01/21/20 5:05:13 PM
#219:


UnfairRepresent posted...
now VendorLee is doing it too

Why is the entire pro child circumcision argument based on ignoring 90% of what everyone says and repeating things that have been debunked

its religion at this point

Why dont you shut the fuck up and let people decide what to do with their child as a parent and you mind your own damn business?

Again, you kind of are because youre just trolling like 5 people on a video game sites social board that has absolutely no affect on the issue and i have my rights and a circumcized penis so...i win i guess...

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UnfairRepresent
01/21/20 5:05:19 PM
#220:


VandorLee posted...
So now were debating the "absolutely no reason(s)" there are for circumcission. Funny, hmmmmm.....

No

Literally in my first post I said "absolutely no benefits anywhere with basic hygiene which is near enough the entire world"

you just ignored it

Not having to put on 2 shoes is a benefit to cutting your foot off but buying shoes is the least of your problems if you cut off your foot.

you have to buy them in pairs anyway
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NPGOperator
01/21/20 5:06:47 PM
#221:


the countries with the highest rates of hiv also have the highest amounts of circumcision. really makes you think
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Zodd3224
01/21/20 5:06:55 PM
#222:


VandorLee posted...
Why dont you shut the fuck up and let people decide what to do with their child as a parent and you mind your own damn business?

Again, you kind of are because youre just trolling like 5 people on a video game sites social board that has absolutely no affect on the issue and i have my rights and a circumcized penis so...i win i guess...

I guess all those people in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East performing female circumcisions should just be left alone as well

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VandorLee
01/21/20 5:07:00 PM
#223:


UnfairRepresent posted...
No

Literally in my first post I said "absolutely no benefits anywhere with basic hygiene which is near enough the entire world"

you just ignored it

Not having to put on 2 shoes is a benefit to cutting your foot off but buying shoes is the least of your problems if you cut off your foot.

you have to buy them in pairs anyway

You called it a cosmetic procedure. You admit to people finding it cosmetically pleasing. And sex is about attraction and a lot of that comes from cosmetics so.

You listed the reasons already.

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UnfairRepresent
01/21/20 5:07:30 PM
#224:


VandorLee posted...
Why dont you shut the fuck up and let people decide what to do with their child as a parent and you mind your own damn business?

because child multilaton is wrong?

Your argument defends parents abusing their kids, its fucked up

By your logic If we saw a parent bashing their kid with a hammer we should mind our business and leave them to it

looking after kids isnt a toy , it's a responsibility. Its the duty of all adults to protect kids .
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VandorLee
01/21/20 5:08:12 PM
#225:


Zodd3224 posted...
I guess all those people in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East performing female circumcisions should just be left alone as well

Im not discussing female circumcission in other countries.

I guess you lost my debate so youre moving on. Wise but i have no dog in that fight.

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UnfairRepresent
01/21/20 5:08:46 PM
#226:


VandorLee posted...
You called it a cosmetic procedure. You admit to people finding it cosmetically pleasing. And sex is about attraction and a lot of that comes from cosmetics so.

Sure

Which are all valid reasons for adults to do it

lots of adults found Heath Ledger's Jokers' scars to be cosmetically pleasing too.

Just leave children alone
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VandorLee
01/21/20 5:09:35 PM
#227:


UnfairRepresent posted...
because child multilaton is wrong?

Your argument defends parents abusing their kids, its fucked up

By your logic If we saw a parent bashing their kid with a hammer we should mind our business and leave them to it

looking after kids isnt a toy , it's a responsibility. Its the duty of all adults to protect kids .

If youre telling me circumcission is like a parent bashing thier kids with a hammer. Just wow. You got me man. Ive been trolled hard. Good game, sir.

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UnfairRepresent
01/21/20 5:10:59 PM
#228:


VandorLee posted...


If youre telling me circumcission is like a parent bashing thier kids with a hammer. Just wow. You got me man. Ive been trolled hard. Good game, sir.

You argued:

Why dont you shut the fuck up and let people decide what to do with their child as a parent and you mind your own damn business?

Not me

Make up your mind. is it our business or not?

spoilers: it is
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darkphoenix181
01/21/20 5:12:04 PM
#229:


VandorLee posted...
If youre telling me circumcission is like a parent bashing thier kids with a hammer. Just wow. You got me man. Ive been trolled hard. Good game, sir.

He had already compared it to cutting off fingers fyi.
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VandorLee
01/21/20 5:12:41 PM
#230:


UnfairRepresent posted...
You argued:

Why dont you shut the fuck up and let people decide what to do with their child as a parent and you mind your own damn business?

Not me

Make up your mind. is it our business or not?

spoilers: it is

Its a cosmetic procedure but mutilation but also like a parent hammering their children and oh yeah other countries and female circumcission.

I see you. I see you

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UnfairRepresent
01/21/20 5:14:38 PM
#231:


You dodged the question

UnfairRepresent posted...
You argued:

Why dont you shut the fuck up and let people decide what to do with their child as a parent and you mind your own damn business?

Not me

Make up your mind. is it our business or not?

yes or no
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Kami_no_Kami
01/21/20 5:17:13 PM
#232:


Jeez, for a bunch of circumcised dudes, yallre really sensitive.
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VandorLee
01/21/20 5:19:26 PM
#233:


UnfairRepresent posted...
You dodged the question

yes or no

So youre against Americans having rights and freedom!?

Yes or No

I can do dumb shit too.

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VandorLee
01/21/20 5:20:19 PM
#234:


Kami_no_Kami posted...
Jeez, for a bunch of circumcised dudes, yallre really sensitive.

See? Its feels so much better.

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UnfairRepresent
01/21/20 5:22:32 PM
#235:


VandorLee posted...


So youre against Americans having rights and freedom!?

Yes or No


No

As I said you have the right to your own body

just leave everyone else alone. especially children

If you as an adult want to slice up your genitals then more power to you. if you want breast implants or to tattoo all over your face, more power to you

Just leave children alone . Not much to ask

I can do dumb shit


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creativerealms
01/21/20 5:24:30 PM
#236:


A stopped is right twice a day.

Yeah I agree with him.

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VandorLee
01/21/20 5:25:00 PM
#237:


UnfairRepresent posted...
No

As I said you have the right to your own body

just leave everyone else alone. especially children

If you as an adult want to slice up your genitals then more power to you. if you want breast implants or to tattoo all over your face, more power to you

Just leave children alone . Not much to ask

Yes we noticed

Well America disagrees with you. And trolling someone who disagrees with you and completely enjoys his right for the decission of his sons to be circumcised is doing nothing.

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ROBANN_88
01/21/20 5:28:17 PM
#238:


VandorLee posted...
Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. However, boys with uncircumcised penises can be taught to wash regularly beneath the foreskin.

if you wanna go that route, why not do that for everything?

remove your nails, to avoid getting dirt under them.
laser your scalp permanently bald so you never have to worry about the possibility of lice or just getting your hair dirty.
don't like that goop in your eyes when you wake up? just remove your eyelids.

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UnfairRepresent
01/21/20 5:30:17 PM
#239:


VandorLee posted...
Well America disagrees with you


That's a fallacy

America once agreed with slavery

VandorLee posted...
And trolling someone who disagrees with you and completely enjoys his right for the decission of his sons to be circumcised is doing nothing.


You keep saying talking about It and pointing out how its wrong wont change anything

I disagree, that's exactly how you change minds

Hell the fact you have to keep ignoring facts to defend it says it all
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VandorLee
01/21/20 5:35:03 PM
#240:


UnfairRepresent posted...
That's a fallacy

America once agreed with slavery

You keep saying talking about It and pointing out how its wrong wont change anything

I disagree, that's exactly how you change minds

Hell the fact you have to keep ignoring facts to defend it says it all

You ignore facts. And too many people agree with me and the current law. And youre crying to a single person on a video game sites social board about it.

Farting is as effective as whining on a video game sites social board. In fact im doing it now and getting more done than you.

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UnfairRepresent
01/21/20 5:37:52 PM
#241:


VandorLee posted...
You ignore facts.


like?

And too many people agree with me and the current law. And youre crying to a single person on a video game sites social board about it.

Farting is as effective as whining on a video game sites social board. In fact im doing it now and getting more done than you.


"Lots of people agree with it so its right" is crazy logic
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WizardofHoth
01/21/20 5:40:56 PM
#242:


circumcisions shouldnt even be done in the first place anyway.

Leave the pecker alone
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UnfairRepresent
01/21/20 5:41:45 PM
#243:


WizardofHoth posted...
circumcisions shouldnt even be done in the first place anyway.

Leave the pecker alone

for adults its personal choice

just leave kids alone
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brestugo
01/21/20 5:41:47 PM
#244:


Rent free

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Dathrowed1
01/21/20 6:03:11 PM
#245:


It is just a cosmetic procedure, if you don't like it then just don't get your son circumcised

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VandorLee
01/21/20 6:05:34 PM
#246:


UnfairRepresent posted...
like?

"Lots of people agree with it so its right" is crazy logic

You mean "The voting process"?

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Funkydog
01/21/20 6:08:53 PM
#247:


VandorLee posted...
You mean "The voting process"?
If people voted to bring slavery back, would that make it ok?
If people voted to hang jaywalkers, would that make it ok?
If people voted to hang, draw and quarter people who litter, would that make it ok?

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VandorLee
01/21/20 6:11:49 PM
#248:


Funkydog posted...
If people voted to bring slavery back, would that make it ok?
If people voted to hang jaywalkers, would that make it ok?
If people voted to hang, draw and quarter people who litter, would that make it ok?

If someone cried about circumcission on a video games sites social board, would anyone care? Would it make any difference at all?

The people have spoken, voted and the law stands. My child, my decission.

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Funkydog
01/21/20 6:30:23 PM
#249:


VandorLee posted...
If someone cried about circumcission on a video games sites social board, would anyone care? Would it make any difference at all?

The people have spoken, voted and the law stands. My child, my decission.
So you'd be okay with all those things is what you're saying?
You're okay with countries where FGM is a legal and encouraged practise?

I don't think you are with either, but that is the line of thinking you are using.

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VandorLee
01/21/20 6:33:54 PM
#250:


Funkydog posted...
So you'd be okay with all those things is what you're saying?
You're okay with countries where FGM is a legal and encouraged practise?

I don't think you are with either, but that is the line of thinking you are using.

Wtf are you talking about. Stretch and make some more shit up. Thats what yall do since yall have lost this debate before it ever started.

Dur, i guess that makes you for taking away all of Americas freedoms and rights!?

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Funkydog
01/21/20 6:37:07 PM
#251:


VandorLee posted...
Dur, i guess that makes you for taking away all of Americas freedoms and rights!?
I am British afterall. It's only natural I would want such.

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