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Esrac
12/28/19 3:56:11 PM
#102:


EffectAndCause posted...
Uh, yes, absolutely, because its widely known to be a dealbreaker for many guys in a dating scenario, which this is.

Being fair, selfishly wanting to hang on to a romantic partner isn't the only reason. There is also some reason to hesitate because they're afraid of being mocked or ridiculed or even physically accosted.
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viewmaster_pi
12/28/19 3:57:07 PM
#103:


EffectAndCause posted...
its widely known to be a dealbreaker for many guys in a dating scenario, which this is.
CE people will just tell you all straight cis dudes are bigots

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hockeybub89
12/28/19 3:57:39 PM
#104:


EffectAndCause posted...
Uh, yes, absolutely, because its widely known to be a dealbreaker for many guys.
Trans people don't just exist as obstacles that need to be avoided in the dating world. Is everyone you know an open book to everyone they meet? Have you considered that some people need to warm to someone before confiding into them?

Trans people that go looking for some strange may be that forward, but overall trans people are just people. What if they have social anxiety or their transition has been an intense struggle? Everyone is a "selfish asshole" by your logic.

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Umbreon
12/28/19 3:57:59 PM
#105:


They won't, but you're already aware of that.

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EffectAndCause
12/28/19 3:58:45 PM
#106:


Esrac posted...


Being fair, selfishly wanting to hang on to a romantic partner isn't the only reason. There is also some reason to hesitate because they're afraid of being mocked or ridiculed or even physically accosted.


...if theyre afraid of the guy theyre going on the date with doing any of this, they probably shouldnt be going on that date in the first place.
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gunplagirl
12/28/19 3:59:37 PM
#107:


Awful lot of cis people in this topic giving their opinion

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Esrac
12/28/19 4:00:59 PM
#108:


EffectAndCause posted...
...if theyre afraid of the guy theyre going on the date with doing any of this, they probably shouldnt be going on that date in the first place.

Sure, but they're not mind readers. Being cautious doesnt mean they should just never try to date.
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hockeybub89
12/28/19 4:01:18 PM
#109:


EffectAndCause posted...
...if theyre afraid of the guy theyre going on the date with doing any of this, they probably shouldnt be going on that date in the first place.
Couldn't we say the same thing about people worried about accidentally flirting with trans people?

Or is that different because small minorities need to spill their guts because they upset the majority?

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EffectAndCause
12/28/19 4:01:41 PM
#110:


hockeybub89 posted...

Trans people don't just exist as obstacles that need to be avoided in the dating world. Is everyone you know an open book to everyone they meet? Have you considered that some people need to warm to someone before confiding into them?

Trans people that go looking for some strange may be that forward, but overall trans people are just people. What if they have social anxiety or their transition has been an intense struggle? Everyone is a "selfish asshole" by your logic.


Many men are not interested in dating trans women, its a widely known dealbreaker that should be disclosed before the date. Also known are the very dangerous consequences of NOT telling the wrong guy until afterward.

So to respect the guys right to choose if he wants to date a trans girl AND for personal safety, telling him before the date is the only answer.
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viewmaster_pi
12/28/19 4:01:49 PM
#111:


gunplagirl posted...
Awful lot of cis people in this topic giving their opinion
go on

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The Trent
12/28/19 4:02:07 PM
#112:


gunplagirl posted...
Awful lot of cis people in this topic giving their opinion

404 point not found

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EffectAndCause
12/28/19 4:03:19 PM
#113:


gunplagirl posted...
Awful lot of cis people in this topic giving their opinion


My co-worker who sits right next to me is a trans girl and she adamantly agrees with everything im saying and my reasons. In fact she was the one who brought this up a while back.
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hockeybub89
12/28/19 4:04:07 PM
#114:


EffectAndCause posted...
Many men are not interested in dating trans women, its a widely known dealbreaker that should be disclosed before the date. Also known are the very dangerous consequences of NOT telling the wrong guy until afterward.

So to respect the guys right to choose if he wants to date a trans girl AND for personal safety, telling him before the date is the only answer.
So trans people aren't allowed privacy or diversity of personality because they need to be afraid that most people want nothing to do with them? Do your own homework.

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RickyTheBAWSE
12/28/19 4:05:06 PM
#115:


more statements with no intelligent elaboration...

please don't adopt the same mannerisms of those you hate... that's a form of self hate.
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Conception616
12/28/19 4:06:11 PM
#116:


EffectAndCause posted...


My co-worker who sits right next to me is a trans girl and she adamantly agrees with everything im saying and my reasons. In fact she was the one who brought this up a while back.


Is she cute? Ive got some banging trans friends, including at least one still in the industry.
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EffectAndCause
12/28/19 4:06:23 PM
#117:


hockeybub89 posted...

So trans people aren't allowed privacy or diversity of personality because they need to be afraid that most people want nothing to do with them? Do your own homework.


In any other situation, yes, they absolutely have the right to privacy.

In the dating world, which directly involves sex, genitalia and physical attractions, no, they dont have that right and are being selfish if they deceive the guy.
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BillORileyReid
12/28/19 4:07:08 PM
#118:


gunplagirl posted...
Awful lot of cis people in this topic giving their opinion


107 posts for you to show up is slacking tbqh
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EffectAndCause
12/28/19 4:07:36 PM
#119:


Conception616 posted...


Is she cute? Ive got some banging trans friends, including at least one still in the industry.


If we were both single id bang her.
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SONIC_305
12/28/19 4:09:15 PM
#120:


https://youtu.be/zq4HWl2NL_s

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hockeybub89
12/28/19 4:09:30 PM
#121:


EffectAndCause posted...
In any other situation, yes, they absolutely have the right to privacy.

In the dating world, which directly involves sex, genitalia and physical attractions, no, they dont have that right and are being selfish if they deceive the guy.
Ah so only certain trans people are allowed to seek human companionship. And everyone that doesn't unveil all potential dealbreakers to all potential companions at first blush is a deceitful asshole. All because asking your own questions is too much of a bother. You say you're arguing for courtesy when all you're doing is changing who is allowed to be "selfish".

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The Trent
12/28/19 4:10:13 PM
#122:


hockeybub89 posted...
Ah so only certain trans people are allowed to seek human companionship. And everyone that doesn't unveil all potential dealbreakers to all potential companions at first blush is a deceitful asshole. All because asking your own questions is too much of a bother.

Ball dont lie bruh

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jborgan
12/28/19 4:12:16 PM
#123:


Unfortunately it can be a lose/lose situation for trans people. Some guys get violent even before anything's happened. And then some people still try to blame it on the trans person.

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The Trent
12/28/19 4:13:30 PM
#124:


jborgan posted...
Unfortunately it can be a lose/lose situation for trans people. Some guys get violent even before anything's happened. And then some people still try to blame it on the trans person.

Plus the truth turns off like most of their candidates so that's a bummer

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hockeybub89
12/28/19 4:16:13 PM
#125:


The Trent posted...
Ball dont lie bruh
Should all mental and physical illness be revealed before a date? Criminal record? History of abuse or other past trauma? Social and economic leanings? Religious affiliation, etc? Lots of things can wind up killing a relationship.

No one ever dates before passing out resumes?

Human beings have a lot of personal feelings. Lots of people need intimacy before they can gather the courage to bare their soul.

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The Trent
12/28/19 4:18:21 PM
#127:


hockeybub89 posted...
Should all mental and physical illness be revealed before a date? Criminal record? History of abuse or other past trauma? Social and economic leanings? Religious affiliation, etc? Lots of things can wind up killing a relationship.

No one ever dates before passing out resumes?

I dunno man I married a woman who was born a woman because I like women

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hockeybub89
12/28/19 4:20:12 PM
#128:


The Trent posted...
I dunno man I married a woman who was born a woman because I like women
And you knew everything about her and anyone you previously dated before you ever went on a date?

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The Trent
12/28/19 4:21:01 PM
#129:


hockeybub89 posted...
And you knew everything about her and anyone you previously dated before you ever went on a date?

I knew she didnt have a dick and that was a solid starting point for me to find out the rest

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BewmHedshot
12/28/19 4:22:21 PM
#130:


The Trent posted...
I dunno man I married a woman who was born a woman because I like women
Did you ensure she was cis before you met her?

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gunplagirl
12/28/19 4:22:35 PM
#131:


EffectAndCause posted...
My co-worker who sits right next to me is a trans girl and she adamantly agrees with everything im saying and my reasons. In fact she was the one who brought this up a while back.

"I have a black friend" isn't exactly a good point

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The Trent
12/28/19 4:22:41 PM
#132:


BewmHedshot posted...
Did you ensure she was cis before you met her?

Grabbed her by the pussy my man

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BillORileyReid
12/28/19 4:23:10 PM
#133:


hockeybub89 posted...

And you knew everything about her and anyone you previously dated before you ever went on a date?


Would you want to date a white supremacist?

Shouldn't a white supremacist disclose who they are as soon as possible?
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BewmHedshot
12/28/19 4:23:35 PM
#134:


Admitting to sexual assault, you're quite a catch, she's lucky to have you.

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The Trent
12/28/19 4:24:21 PM
#135:


BewmHedshot posted...
Admitting to sexual assault, you're quite a catch, she's lucky to have you.

I tell her that every day after our post dinner negging

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hockeybub89
12/28/19 4:24:24 PM
#136:


The Trent posted...
I knew she didnt have a dick and that was a solid starting point for me to find out the rest
Did she tell you or did you ask? Surely it wasn't just assumed.

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BillORileyReid
12/28/19 4:24:26 PM
#137:


BewmHedshot posted...
Admitting to sexual assault, you're quite a catch, she's lucky to have you.


Because he was being serious.
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/28/19 4:24:41 PM
#138:


BewmHedshot posted...
Admitting to sexual assault, you're quite a catch, she's lucky to have you.


getting a sarcastic response after asking a stupid question is still too generous for you, lol
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BillORileyReid
12/28/19 4:25:03 PM
#139:


hockeybub89 posted...

Did she tell you or did you ask? Surely it wasn't just assumed.


It's assumed by not mentioning anything.

Quick question - have you EVER actually had any social interaction with people?
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The Trent
12/28/19 4:25:03 PM
#140:


hockeybub89 posted...
Did she tell you or did you ask? Surely it wasn't just assumed.

I said hey girl what's up lemme see that dick and she was like no dick and I was like cool sup

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EffectAndCause
12/28/19 4:26:09 PM
#141:


hockeybub89 posted...

Should all mental and physical illness be revealed before a date? Criminal record? History of abuse or other past trauma? Social and economic leanings? Religious affiliation, etc? Lots of things can wind up killing a relationship.

No one ever dates before passing out resumes?

Human beings have a lot of personal feelings. Lots of people need intimacy before they can gather the courage to bare their soul.


None of those other things are related to sex, genitalia or physical attraction. Being trans is.

There are plenty of shitty Republican chicks id bang and if they told me afterward that they hate gay people id never talk to them again, but I wouldnt murder them in a panicked outrage like many people would a trans girl afterward.

There are a lot of people that ARE totally fine or indifferent with a trans girl being trans, but many still have the mentality of ITS A GUY, THIS MEANS IM GAY NOW! YOU RUINED MY LIFE! *murders trans girl*

Like I said, its about giving the guy a choice and personal safety. Plus, again, if you get the vibe that the guy is someone youre hesitant to tell, thats a huge red flag that you shouldnt even be ON that date.

Isnt it way, way better to date someone who knows youre a trans and is totally fine with it?
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EffectAndCause
12/28/19 4:27:56 PM
#142:


gunplagirl posted...


"I have a black friend" isn't exactly a good point


Im saying I have a trans friend who shares my opinion to counter your shitty cis people opinions dont matter here! logic.
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BillORileyReid
12/28/19 4:31:27 PM
#143:


EffectAndCause posted...


Im saying I have a trans friend who shares my opinion to counter your shitty cis people opinions dont matter here! logic.


youre arguing with gunplagirl
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gunplagirl
12/28/19 4:33:30 PM
#144:


EffectAndCause posted...
Im saying I have a trans friend who shares my opinion to counter your shitty cis people opinions dont matter here! logic.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/20-percent-america-thinks-interracial-marriage-morally-wrong-poll-finds-845608%3famp=1

18% of black respondents to that poll thought interracial marriage was wrong

Thing is, unlike your friend the respondents actually exist.

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BillORileyReid
12/28/19 4:35:38 PM
#145:


wtf does any of that have to do with anything
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BillORileyReid
12/28/19 4:36:00 PM
#146:


also literally googling whatever the fuck you want and not even taking the time to send the proper link
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hockeybub89
12/28/19 4:36:44 PM
#147:


BillORileyReid posted...
Would you want to date a white supremacist?

Shouldn't a white supremacist disclose who they are as soon as possible?
I feel like that situation is different as white supremacy is a pure choice rather than a legitimate birth condition. White supremacists also don't have a history of being oppressed by law and being disowned by their families and friends. They likely developed those beliefs because of the company they keep.

But no matter what, what would be nice is not the same as the reality that not everyone is equally comfortable sharing things to people at the same point in relationships. And if future information ruins a once budding relationship, then oh well. You dated a Nazi. You win some, you lose some. Things happen.

Your attempt to emotionally manipulate my stance does not change the fact that humans have many reasons why they might not share things before they feel comfortable.

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gunplagirl
12/28/19 4:38:02 PM
#148:


Let's see, low level account making 3 back to back posts about me, I've been warned for disruptive posting in my own AMA for less than that.

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BillORileyReid
12/28/19 4:38:12 PM
#149:


I'm curious how gay relationships happen when they're not supposed to let anyone know they were gay.
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BillORileyReid
12/28/19 4:38:25 PM
#150:


gunplagirl posted...
Let's see, low level account making 3 back to back posts about me, I've been warned for disruptive posting in my own AMA for less than that.


post on your main
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Duncanwii
12/28/19 4:39:11 PM
#151:


BillORileyReid posted...
youre arguing with gunplagirl
Yeah shes kind of terrible.

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