Current Events > "People don't deserve to make 15+ an hour"

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Villain posted...

Wait so you're saying your happy to subsidize employees who work for multi million dollar companies?

Yes, the earned income tax credit and SNAP are good programs, well worth what we pay for them. Subsidizing rent in cities for lower-income people is also a much better idea than public housing and rent control, but we'd also have to get rid of our ridiculous zoning laws.

People think $15 is big boy money. It's barely enough to get by in most places.Walmart can pay your wages. They don't even pay taxes. But no, $15 is too muhc. Guess the Waltons won't get their second golden parachute again. That's a shame.

If a cooperation can afford to pay you more then they definitely should IMO. A good morale in the workforce is something I am for always.

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Balnazarr posted...

They don't even pay taxes.

Walmart pays billions in corporate taxes alone lol what are you even talking about?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Walmart pays billions in corporate taxes alone lol what are you even talking about?

https://americansfortaxfairness.org/files/ATF-Key-Findings-One-Pager-orange-header.pdf

funnily enough, theyve managed to reduce their tax rate even further since the time that this .pdf was created. I believe its at something like 21% now.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

If a cooperation can afford to pay you more then they definitely should IMO. A good morale in the workforce is something I am for always.

Agree to a point. Performance and worth ethic still need to be up to par for the pay received being proportionate to what the employee provides to the employer. But yes, well paid employees are better motivated to do better and will more than likely remain with the employer.

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thanosibe posted...

worth ethic

I know this is a typo, but it's so telling that this is the typo you make.

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Shablagoo posted...

https://americansfortaxfairness.org/files/ATF-Key-Findings-One-Pager-orange-header.pdf

funnily enough, theyve managed to reduce their tax rate even further since the time that this .pdf was created. I believe its at something like 21% now.

1. This doesn't change the fact that they paid billions in corporate tax alone.
2. Our tax code heavily incentivizes expanding, hiring, R&D, etc. That's what loopholes are, profits that aren't taxed because they were reinvested into the company.
3. No matter how much a business pays in taxes, it's important to know they aren't the ones actually paying it. Corporate taxes are extremely regressive, workers and consumers pay them.

ArchiePeck posted...

It's a race to the bottom though - other people on the street would want the job at lower pay as an alternative to being unemployed.

A wage floor shifts the dynamic to quality of worker instead of a low-bidder for labor.
It ends up punishing the very people a minimum wage is supposed to benefit, such as working mothers, pretty much anyone with a face tattoo, someone with sketchy transportation, older workers, etc.

CyricZ posted...

I know this is a typo, but it's so telling that this is the typo you make.

Tbf though you picking out a typo to shit post is very telling of your contributions to this discussion

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thanosibe posted...

Tbf though you picking out a typo to shit post is very telling of your contributions to this discussion

The dude tries hard to come off as a logical and rational person all the time but sometimes he leaks out his impartialness. It's a good thing more and more people are seeing past these type of people's bullshit.

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I never claimed to be impartial.

And those of this board who drape themselves in the vestments of "logic" and "rationality" are not those I care to be counted among.

Because their means always leads to a loss of ethics.

Those who would suggest an $1/hour minimum wage.

Those who would suggest that life is something that must be earned.

Those who posture various strata of "worth" to individuals based on what they can earn.

If that's "logic" and "rationality", then count me outta dis one.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

The dude tries hard to come off as a logical and rational person all the time but sometimes he leaks out his impartialness. It's a good thing more and more people are seeing past these type of people's bullshit.

I mean Id hardly call thanosibe a champion of impartiality lol

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If you have a point or counter argument to some's post, then post it. The shit posting, snide comments and personal attacks is annoying as hell on this forum because there's so much of it. I honestly think that there are people on CE that cannot stop themselves from posting when they see an opinion they don't like but have no real argument to make so they post something snide and vague like Cyric did.

Shablagoo posted...

I mean Id hardly call thanosibe a champion of impartiality lol

No one is completely impartial, so I really have no idea where you were trying to go with this "zinger".

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More pay leads to a more productive and better workforce.

People earning 7 bucks an hour that doesn't care about them are likely to not give a shit about the job themselves.

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Vicious_Dios posted...

Well, if they studied better at school, made better choices in life, and were financially responsible, they wouldn't be in the mess that they are now.

We don't owe them anything.

I did well in school, got a degree in a field that is supposed to have a lot of opportunities and after months of applying for positions a minimum wage job was all I could get. I dont think its really fair for you to say anyone who gets a minimum wage job only has themself to blame. Jobs arent willing to take a chance on people who arent experienced and you cant gain experience because nobody will hire you. I tried applying for internships and jobs all throughout college and couldnt get anything. What better choices should I have made?

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This is assuming one can find a job to begin with.

Options disappear literally everyday due to outsourcing to other countries, or people being forced into 80+ work weeks because their employer would rather pay one person instead of two for the same amount of work, or because that one person is working two seperate jobs just to survive, and things are only going to get worse once automation truly takes off within the next few years.

We're already living in a dystopian future.
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

and things are only going to get worse once automation truly takes off within the next few years

If an increasing minimum wage makes it cheaper to buy a robot to do the job, you've just made the problem worse.

Feline_Heart posted...

I did well in school, got a degree in a field that is supposed to have a lot of opportunities and after months of applying for positions a minimum wage job was all I could get. I dont think its really fair for you to say anyone who gets a minimum wage job only has themself to blame. Jobs arent willing to take a chance on people who arent experienced and you cant gain experience because nobody will hire you. I tried applying for internships and jobs all throughout college and couldnt get anything. What better choices should I have made?

I hate reading stuff like this. Im finally in college now (and should be done with an Associates by this time next year if I play my cards right). I need to get the hell out of my current job. Ive been doing it way too long and its taking its toll on me.

But the thought of a degree not being able to help with that is... disheartening.

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Employers already employ as few people as they can while keeping their business running.

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LightningAce11 posted...

More pay leads to a more productive and better workforce.

People earning 7 bucks an hour that doesn't care about them are likely to not give a shit about the job themselves.

Raising minimum wage doesn't solve this and arguably makes it worse since people that were making more will now be making it. While some would get raises, not all would.

Minimum wage is well overdue for a raise. It should be 9-10/hr at least and I'd be okay with 11-12. Some cities obviously need higher, but that's not a national problem to solve.

But either way the amount of effort spent on something that impacts like 2% of the work force is exactly where they want you to focus your rage.

If we're pushing for any meaningful federal law for workers. Go for mandatory pto, lower overtime from 40 to 35 hours (and maybe something for people working multiple part time jobs, but that's again a small minority and could make it harder for them to get those second jobs). Maternity leave, for both the mother and father(both get x days one gets x+y). And countless other worker rights America is lacking.

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LightningAce11 posted...

More pay leads to a more productive and better workforce.

People earning 7 bucks an hour that doesn't care about them are likely to not give a shit about the job themselves.

iirc, in blue collar occupations, there is a correlation between pay raises and productivity to a point; in white collar occupations, on the other hand, there is no such correlation and caring about the nature of the job and organization matters more with respect to stimulating productivity

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LightningAce11 posted...

More pay leads to a more productive and better workforce.

People earning 7 bucks an hour that doesn't care about them are likely to not give a shit about the job themselves.

Not to mention less turn over means less resources spent on hiring and training.

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