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BeyondWalls
12/25/19 11:33:20 PM
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Cause apparently Starfleet doesn't since they made her an Admiral.

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King Rial
12/25/19 11:35:39 PM
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She should have found a way to get Tuvok back and kill Neelix.
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DevsBro
12/25/19 11:49:36 PM
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Yeah, I remember that being super impactful.

Like, I remember they totally bring this up and she just straight-up doesn't care. You expect some clever lateral solution to what looks like an impossible situation but nope. They just took the blunt route and I was shocked.

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pegusus123456
12/25/19 11:50:57 PM
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Janeway's a sociopath.

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dj1200
12/25/19 11:52:03 PM
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whotf is tuvix

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WilliamPorygon
12/26/19 12:06:27 AM
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Remember the time Ensign Kim got an STD from banging an alien chick?

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SSJKirby
12/26/19 12:07:19 AM
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remember when Janeway and Tom evolved into lizards and had babies

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pegusus123456
12/26/19 12:10:40 AM
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dj1200 posted...
whotf is tuvix
A transporter accident accidentally fused Tuvok and Neelix into one being who called himself Tuvix. Without a way to unfuse the two of them, Tuvix was essentially given Tuvok's job. Being a fusion of the two character, he had Neelix's sociability, but Tuvok's traits ground out the spikes on Neelix's spiked ball of a personality. He was a good tactical officer, he could cook better than Neelix, he respectfully kept his distance from a mourning Kes, and he was well-liked by pretty much everyone.

Eventually, they figure out how to separate Tuvok and Neelix out of Tuvix. The only problem is that Tuvix is, y'know, a person and he doesn't want to die. Janeway tries to quietly lead him away, but he instead runs from person to person on the bridge, begging for his life. When not a single person speaks up for him, he tries to run, but security stops and restrains him. He finally realizes there's no escape and - to give you an idea of the kind of person Tuvix is - he forgives the crew because he honestly believes they're good people that will be haunted by this.

The Doctor, a hologram, is the only person worth a fuck in the situation because he refuses to do the procedure as it breaks the Hippocratic Oath. Janeway has no such problem and kills Tuvix to bring back Tuvox and the Great Detestation.

WilliamPorygon posted...
Remember the time Ensign Kim got an STD from banging an alien chick?

Remember when Ensign Kim and Naomi Wildman both died and were replaced by alternate universe copies and nobody ever mentioned it again?

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KillerSlaw
12/26/19 12:18:40 AM
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Hey remember when Data fucked Tasha?

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KillerSlaw
12/26/19 12:18:54 AM
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Hey remember when Crusher fucked a ghost?

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sylverlolol
12/26/19 12:28:08 AM
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...she made the right decision. He only came about as the result of a malfunction that killed two others who had no say in the matter.

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nexigrams
12/26/19 12:30:58 AM
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Voyager was dope. Most people prefer DS9 but I could never really get into it. Felt a little too out there to me with all the space jesus stuff.

Voyager had that classic formula of a ship and its crew exploring the galaxy though, with a sweet twist that still allowed it to do all new stuff. Great show, underrated imo.

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pegusus123456
12/26/19 12:43:48 AM
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sylverlolol posted...
...she made the right decision. He only came about as the result of a malfunction that killed two others who had no say in the matter.
It's the trolley problem. Is it more moral to let two people die through inaction or to save those two by killing one?

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BeyondWalls
12/26/19 1:47:33 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
It's the trolley problem. Is it more moral to let two people die through inaction or to save those two by killing one?
"We don't trade lives." Cap never would have done it. There was no real moral dilemma. There was a clear right and wrong. She murdered Tuvix to save her friends.

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Big_Gold
12/26/19 2:09:40 AM
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Remember when Janeway and Paris mated?
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SuperShake666
12/26/19 2:13:59 AM
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Remember that time the crew mutated into lizard things, fucked, made babies and nobody talked about it ever again?

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WilliamPorygon
12/26/19 2:25:32 AM
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Remember the time the Enterprise got trapped in a time loop?

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Big_Gold
12/26/19 2:33:26 AM
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Remember when Kim died?
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CW_McGraw
12/26/19 2:45:30 AM
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On an actual good TV show, Janeway killing Tuvix would have been a formative part of her character and changed her totally from that point forward. But, unfortunately, this happened on Star Trek: Voyager.
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Mr_Rian
12/26/19 2:48:53 AM
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Remember the time the Enterprise got trapped in a time loop?
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sabin017
12/26/19 2:50:43 AM
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Remember when people could create topics with straight-up spoilers in them?

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refmon
12/26/19 3:00:31 AM
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Remember the time the Enterprise got trapped in a time loop?


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BeyondWalls
12/26/19 10:02:47 AM
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Everyone is listing other bad moments in the show, but heres the difference... This isnt just some random thing that happened. Janeway made a conscious choice to forcibly drag a crew member down to sickbay and murder him herself when the Doctor refused.

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Cowthief
12/26/19 10:06:27 AM
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Remember the time the Enterprise got trapped in a time loop?

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spikethedevil
12/26/19 10:06:32 AM
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Remember the time the enterprise got trapped in a time loop?

Oh and Janeway was an awful captain.

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BeyondWalls
12/26/19 10:10:45 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Oh and Janeway was an awful captain
The series should have ended with The Trial of Captain Janeway. A two part episode where she is finally convicted and jailed.

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WilliamPorygon
12/27/19 9:24:57 PM
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How come this topic was deleted this morning and now it's undeleted?

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BeyondWalls
12/28/19 1:15:10 AM
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WilliamPorygon posted...
How come this topic was deleted this morning and now it's undeleted?
Because I won the dispute. Someone marked it as a spoiler, but GameFAQs policy is that its not a spoiler if its in the trailer. Well, guess what? Janeway murdering Tuvix actually is in the episode trailer from 24 years ago. So its not a spoiler under GameFAQs rules.

And that really shouldnt be that surprising. Producers knew that no one was going to believe they were dumping Neelix and Tuvok for some new guy. So instead they let everyone know what was going to go down and instead played up the ethical dilemma of the situation.

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Cowthief
12/28/19 2:36:35 AM
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BeyondWalls posted...
Because I won the dispute. Someone marked it as a spoiler, but GameFAQs policy is that its not a spoiler if its in the trailer. Well, guess what? Janeway murdering Tuvix actually is in the episode trailer from 24 years ago. So its not a spoiler under GameFAQs rules.

And that really shouldnt be that surprising. Producers knew that no one was going to believe they were dumping Neelix and Tuvok for some new guy. So instead they let everyone know what was going to go down and instead played up the ethical dilemma of the situation.

Impressive. Congrats.

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cjsdowg
12/28/19 2:55:22 AM
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She is a horrible person, there is no justification for what she did. Hell since he was right there, they could have even spent more time to find way to try to spit them and keep Tuvix alive.

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008Zulu
12/28/19 3:05:16 AM
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Janeway murdered Tuvix, and boned her helmsman. What happens in the Delta Quadrant, stays in the Delta Quadrant.

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spikethedevil
12/28/19 3:14:43 AM
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@008Zulu She boned Paris?

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Corrupt_Power
12/28/19 3:18:31 AM
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Remember the time the Enterprise got trapped in a time loop?
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pegusus123456
12/28/19 3:19:22 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
@008Zulu She boned Paris?
She had kids with Paris, but it didn't count because they were lizards at the time.

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spikethedevil
12/28/19 3:20:17 AM
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My mind must of purged that episode from my memory.

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Big_Gold
12/28/19 3:56:36 AM
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pegusus123456
12/28/19 3:57:17 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
My mind must of purged that episode from my memory.
IIRC, it's so bad that it was actually made noncanon.

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008Zulu
12/28/19 5:19:13 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
@008Zulu She boned Paris?
Salamander Jane boned Salamander Paris. But the events would be recorded in formal reports. Drunk sex you don't remember still counts.

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UnfairRepresent
12/28/19 5:21:09 AM
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dj1200 posted...
whotf is tuvix

A new personality brought on by moulding Tuvoc and Nelix into one being

They had to kill it to bring the other 2 back

it was the right thing to do. 2 lives > 1
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pegusus123456
12/28/19 6:03:16 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
A new personality brought on by moulding Tuvoc and Nelix into one being

They had to kill it to bring the other 2 back

it was the right thing to do. 2 lives > 1
One of those lives was Neelix though who is the direct cause of at least one death, so the math doesn't track.

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008Zulu
12/28/19 6:10:55 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
One of those lives was Neelix though who is the direct cause of at least one death, so the math doesn't track.
Plus it's Neelix. His very existence is a point against him.

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UnfairRepresent
12/28/19 9:07:25 AM
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008Zulu posted...

Plus it's Neelix. His very existence is a point against him.

Netflix really isnt that bad

He actually had flaws and breathed some life into a very dull crew.

Plus he was the only one who had first hand knowledge of the region

I feel like the people who hate him are the same people who think James Bond and Steven Seagal movies are the best characters
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spikethedevil
12/28/19 9:17:40 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Netflix really isnt that bad

He actually had flaws and breathed some life into a very dull crew.

Plus he was the only one who had first hand knowledge of the region

I feel like the people who hate him are the same people who think James Bond and Steven Seagal movies are the best characters

Lol Netflix, got to love auto correct.


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BeyondWalls
12/28/19 9:26:11 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
She is a horrible person, there is no justification for what she did. Hell since he was right there, they could have even spent more time to find way to try to spit them and keep Tuvix alive.
Reminder: The transporter split Riker and made two different Rikers. The one we know and Lt Tom Riker. This is public knowledge. Voyager could have made two Tuvixs. Then cured one.


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BeyondWalls
12/28/19 9:31:27 AM
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008Zulu posted...
Plus it's Neelix. His very existence is a point against him.
I remember when people hated Neelix with a fiery passion when he debuted in 95. Then Star Wars was like hold my beer and debuted Jar Jar Binks in 99. After that, people were like, Neelix isnt so bad.

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creativerealms
12/28/19 9:35:42 AM
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BeyondWalls posted...
Cause apparently Starfleet doesn't since they made her an Admiral.
Whose to say Starfleet knows the details. Janeway probably made sure all records of the event painted her as correct. The only one who may have objected was the doctor and his memory can be rewritten.

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DevsBro
12/28/19 11:36:21 AM
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008Zulu posted...
Salamander Jane boned Salamander Paris. But the events would be recorded in formal reports. Drunk sex you don't remember still counts.
Oh yeah I do remember that, lol.

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KillerSlaw
12/28/19 11:38:34 AM
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BeyondWalls posted...
Everyone is listing other bad moments in the show, but heres the difference... This isnt just some random thing that happened. Janeway made a conscious choice to forcibly drag a crew member down to sickbay and murder him herself when the Doctor refused.

Data fucking Tasha and Crusher fucking the Ghost are hardly bad moments, bruh

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DevsBro
12/28/19 11:39:06 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
A new personality brought on by moulding Tuvoc and Nelix into one being

They had to kill it to bring the other 2 back

it was the right thing to do. 2 lives > 1
It was the right thing to do, but I disagree with your why.

Tuvix was like if someone painted a mustache on another artist's artwork. It's absolutely art but you had no right to that canvas so I'm doing a restoration. If you wanted this dude with a mustache you should have made a reproduction first.

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Cowthief
12/28/19 11:39:18 AM
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Remember the time the Enterprise got trapped in a time loop?

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