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ZMythos 12/22/19 4:43:58 PM #1:	I didn't care much for Force Awakens. I thought Rey had zero personality, Poe didn't feel more than a side character on par with Chewy, and Finn was awesome but underutilized. Last Jedi wasn't a masterpiece by any means, but I can respect that it dared to be different. And I liked some of the ideas it developed on. Mainly I liked Luke's rejection of the old Jedi Order and how bureaucratic it became. I liked how he disillusioned Rey to the idealistic hero figure he became known as and his desire to be humble again. Even though the dialogue was awful, I liked when Kylo told Rey that her parents were nobodies and that she came from nothing. Granted I'd have liked to have seen that rather than be told it, but it was still a good moment. It showed Rey accepting her surrogate family with Finn and Poe, rather than needing a traditional family to validate her. I liked the end scene with the kid using the force on the broom, showing that you don't need to be someone special. And I liked when Kylo Ren rejected his desire to be more like Vader and instead pursue his own goals. But parts of both Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker backpedaled on a lot of this. They go back to the notion that you need to be born with the gift of the force. In fact, Abrams said in an interview that during the quicksand scene Finn was going to tell Rey that he can sense the force, but left it unsaid because it would discredit the "bloodline" thing. During the film Rey constantly rejected being with Poe and Finn and kept going out on her own. And the times they were together were filled with awkward feelings and arguments between them. Never once did she realize she needed them or their help to succeed. They felt like an "A cast" and "B cast" who had separate adventures that didn't come together until the hug at the end. And they backpedaled on Kylo Ren being different from Vader. At the very start of the film he reforges his mask and he goes on to be redeemed just as Vader did. The one line I absolutely love from Rise of Skywalker is when Ghost Luke says to Rey that "It's the Jedi's destiny to confront fear." This shows maturation on Luke's view from Last Jedi and it still holds onto the ideal that anyone can be a Jedi. A Jedi doesn't need to be born with "Over 20,000 midichlorians", they just need to believe in the force and fight fear. By this definition, Finn was just as much of a Jedi as Rey was. Finn was such a wasted character. He had an awesome actor and a lot of potential. Last Jedi delegated him to a shitty B Plot and Rise of Skywalker had him and Poe interact minimally with Rey. Hell, BB8 was Poe's Droid from the start and yet is the only other character standing with Rey at the end. I'm not saying Rey's a bad character btw. She improved a lot since Force Awakens. But they didn't utilize the group's chemistry at all, and their attempt at mimicking Han, Luke, and Leia fell flat. Anyway I'm kinda going all over the place with these opinions, but that's because the whole Sequel Trilogy was all over the place. Ultimately it suffered from two directors playing tug of war with themes and storytelling and failed to add anything really thought provoking or new to the saga. Anything that it tried to say was either lukewarm in presentation or backpedaled on by one of the directors in a later film. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931932457] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>I didn't care much for Force Awakens. I thought Rey had zero personality, Poe didn't feel more than a side character on par with Chewy, and Finn was awesome but underutilized. Last Jedi wasn't a masterpiece by any means, but I can respect that it dared to be different. And I liked some of the ideas it developed on. Mainly I liked Luke's rejection of the old Jedi Order and how bureaucratic it became. I liked how he disillusioned Rey to the idealistic hero figure he became known as and his desire to be humble again. Even though the dialogue was awful, I liked when Kylo told Rey that her parents were nobodies and that she came from nothing. Granted I'd have liked to have seen that rather than be told it, but it was still a good moment. It showed Rey accepting her surrogate family with Finn and Poe, rather than needing a traditional family to validate her. I liked the end scene with the kid using the force on the broom, showing that you don't need to be someone special. And I liked when Kylo Ren rejected his desire to be more like Vader and instead pursue his own goals. But parts of both Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker backpedaled on a lot of this. They go back to the notion that you need to be born with the gift of the force. In fact, Abrams said in an interview that during the quicksand scene Finn was going to tell Rey that he can sense the force, but left it unsaid because it would discredit the "bloodline" thing. During the film Rey constantly rejected being with Poe and Finn and kept going out on her own. And the times they were together were filled with awkward feelings and arguments between them. Never once did she realize she needed them or their help to succeed. They felt like an "A cast" and "B cast" who had separate adventures that didn't come together until the hug at the end. And they backpedaled on Kylo Ren being different from Vader. At the very start of the film he reforges his mask and he goes on to be redeemed just as Vader did. The one line I absolutely love from Rise of Skywalker is when Ghost Luke says to Rey that "It's the Jedi's destiny to confront fear." This shows maturation on Luke's view from Last Jedi and it still holds onto the ideal that anyone can be a Jedi. A Jedi doesn't need to be born with "Over 20,000 midichlorians", they just need to believe in the force and fight fear. By this definition, Finn was just as much of a Jedi as Rey was. Finn was such a wasted character. He had an awesome actor and a lot of potential. Last Jedi delegated him to a shitty B Plot and Rise of Skywalker had him and Poe interact minimally with Rey. Hell, BB8 was Poe's Droid from the start and yet is the only other character standing with Rey at the end. I'm not saying Rey's a bad character btw. She improved a lot since Force Awakens. But they didn't utilize the group's chemistry at all, and their attempt at mimicking Han, Luke, and Leia fell flat. Anyway I'm kinda going all over the place with these opinions, but that's because the whole Sequel Trilogy was all over the place. Ultimately it suffered from two directors playing tug of war with themes and storytelling and failed to add anything really thought provoking or new to the saga. Anything that it tried to say was either lukewarm in presentation or backpedaled on by one of the directors in a later film. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 4:45:09 PM #2:	The kid at the end was Force Sensitive. Anyone can use the Force was NEVER implied and never would or will be --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931932506] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>The kid at the end was Force Sensitive. Anyone can use the Force was NEVER implied and never would or will be </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 4:49:21 PM #3:	ASithLord7 posted... The kid at the end was Force Sensitive. Anyone can use the Force was NEVER implied and never would or will be It was implied from the first movie. The way of the Force was a religion, not a birthright. If the prequels never existed, Luke was just a farmboy who was trained by a wise old man to use a mysterious power that is literally quoted as "surrounding and penetrating" all living things. Han was the direct counter to this, he didn't believe in the Force and never believed in anything but himself. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931932688] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>The kid at the end was Force Sensitive. Anyone can use the Force was NEVER implied and never would or will be</quote>It was implied from the first movie. The way of the Force was a religion, not a birthright. If the prequels never existed, Luke was just a farmboy who was trained by a wise old man to use a mysterious power that is literally quoted as "surrounding and penetrating" all living things. Han was the direct counter to this, he didn't believe in the Force and never believed in anything but himself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 4:50:22 PM #4:	And let's not forget that in Rogue One we were introduced to a guy who had no formal training and wasn't "Force Sensitive" but believed in the Force to the point where it guided him and allowed him to see even though he was blind. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931932735] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>And let's not forget that in Rogue One we were introduced to a guy who had no formal training and wasn't "Force Sensitive" but believed in the Force to the point where it guided him and allowed him to see even though he was blind. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 4:52:15 PM #5:	ZMythos posted... It was implied from the first movie. The way of the Force was a religion, not a birthright. If the prequels never existed, Luke was just a farmboy who was trained by a wise old man to use a mysterious power that is literally quoted as "surrounding and penetrating" all living things. Han was the direct counter to this, he didn't believe in the Force and never believed in anything but himself. Absolutely untrue but believe whatever bullshit you want lmao --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931932791] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>It was implied from the first movie. The way of the Force was a religion, not a birthright. If the prequels never existed, Luke was just a farmboy who was trained by a wise old man to use a mysterious power that is literally quoted as "surrounding and penetrating" all living things. Han was the direct counter to this, he didn't believe in the Force and never believed in anything but himself.</quote>Absolutely untrue but believe whatever bullshit you want lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 4:52:43 PM #6:	ZMythos posted... And let's not forget that in Rogue One we were introduced to a guy who had no formal training and wasn't "Force Sensitive" but believed in the Force to the point where it guided him and allowed him to see even though he was blind. Chirrut can sense Kyber, hes absolutely FS to some degree --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931932813] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>And let's not forget that in Rogue One we were introduced to a guy who had no formal training and wasn't "Force Sensitive" but believed in the Force to the point where it guided him and allowed him to see even though he was blind.</quote>Chirrut can sense Kyber, hes absolutely FS to some degree </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulGrave 12/22/19 4:52:58 PM #7:	ZMythos posted... I liked the end scene with the kid using the force on the broom, showing that you don't need to be someone special. Except it was already established that some people are Force sensitive and others arent. The former was in the minority. --- You enjoy teaching high schoolers, and I'll enjoy creating my crappy manga. Let's see where we both are in a year. TheDoorMouse Update https://imgur.com/vz0c9xf <cite>ViewtifulGrave posted [p:931932821] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>I liked the end scene with the kid using the force on the broom, showing that you don't need to be someone special.</quote>Except it was already established that some people are Force sensitive and others arent. The former was in the minority. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 4:55:03 PM #8:	ViewtifulGrave posted... Except it was already established that some people are Force sensitive and others arent. The former was in the minority. Just because some people are predisposed to it doesn't mean it's an exclusive group. It was established from the first films as an extinct following or religion, not something that "you either have or you don't" --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931932901] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ViewtifulGrave posted... </cite> <quote>Except it was already established that some people are Force sensitive and others arent. The former was in the minority.</quote>Just because some people are predisposed to it doesn't mean it's an exclusive group. It was established from the first films as an extinct following or religion, not something that "you either have or you don't" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 4:57:17 PM #9:	ZMythos posted... Just because some people are predisposed to it doesn't mean it's an exclusive group. It was established from the first films as an extinct following or religion, not something that "you either have or you don't" A) it wasnt. B) what you think was established in the first movie is fucking irrelevant because theres tons of other material that contradicts your asinine theory --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931932993] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>Just because some people are predisposed to it doesn't mean it's an exclusive group. It was established from the first films as an extinct following or religion, not something that "you either have or you don't"</quote>A) it wasnt. B) what you think was established in the first movie is fucking irrelevant because theres tons of other material that contradicts your asinine theory </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:00:55 PM #10:	ASithLord7 posted... A) it wasnt. https://youtu.be/YnNSnJbjdws?t=81 ASithLord7 posted... B) what you think was established in the first movie is fucking irrelevant because theres tons of other material that contradicts your asinine theory There's nothing asinine about it. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931933134] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>A) it wasnt.</quote>https://youtu.be/YnNSnJbjdws?t=81 ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>B) what you think was established in the first movie is fucking irrelevant because theres tons of other material that contradicts your asinine theory</quote>There's nothing asinine about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulGrave 12/22/19 5:00:57 PM #11:	ZMythos posted... Just because some people are predisposed to it doesn't mean it's an exclusive group. It was established from the first films as an extinct following or religion, not something that "you either have or you don't" Why didnt Dooku teach Grievous to use the Force and not just lightsaber combat? The answer is that Grievous isnt Force sensitive. --- You enjoy teaching high schoolers, and I'll enjoy creating my crappy manga. Let's see where we both are in a year. TheDoorMouse Update https://imgur.com/vz0c9xf <cite>ViewtifulGrave posted [p:931933135] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>Just because some people are predisposed to it doesn't mean it's an exclusive group. It was established from the first films as an extinct following or religion, not something that "you either have or you don't"</quote> Why didnt Dooku teach Grievous to use the Force and not just lightsaber combat? The answer is that Grievous isnt Force sensitive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:05:22 PM #12:	ViewtifulGrave posted... Why didnt Dooku teach Grievous to use the Force and not just lightsaber combat? The answer is that Grievous isnt Force sensitive. Or maybe that the Force, which is described as being a part of all living things, wasn't a part of someone who was 90% droid? Or maybe Dooku didn't bother to teach him since having 4 arms with lightsabers was sufficient? Or maybe he DID know how because Grievous was quoted as saying he was trained "In the Jedi Arts" and not "In lightsaber combat" specifically? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931933282] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ViewtifulGrave posted... </cite> <quote> Why didnt Dooku teach Grievous to use the Force and not just lightsaber combat? The answer is that Grievous isnt Force sensitive.</quote> Or maybe that the Force, which is described as being a part of all living things, wasn't a part of someone who was 90% droid? Or maybe Dooku didn't bother to teach him since having 4 arms with lightsabers was sufficient? Or maybe he DID know how because Grievous was quoted as saying he was trained "In the Jedi Arts" and not "In lightsaber combat" specifically? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OrdonGoatCheese 12/22/19 5:05:26 PM #13:	This is the part where the prequels come in and shit on the originals, TC. --- We drank a toast to innocence. We drank a toast to now. <cite>OrdonGoatCheese posted [p:931933286] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>This is the part where the prequels come in and shit on the originals, TC. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/22/19 5:11:26 PM #14:	ZMythos posted... And let's not forget that in Rogue One we were introduced to a guy who had no formal training and wasn't "Force Sensitive" but believed in the Force to the point where it guided him and allowed him to see even though he was blind. But that is being force sensitive... --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:931933552] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>And let's not forget that in Rogue One we were introduced to a guy who had no formal training and wasn't "Force Sensitive" but believed in the Force to the point where it guided him and allowed him to see even though he was blind.</quote>But that is being force sensitive... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 12/22/19 5:12:44 PM #15:	ViewtifulGrave posted... Why didnt Dooku teach Grievous to use the Force and not just lightsaber combat? The answer is that Grievous isnt Force sensitive. Living things dude, he was mostly metal. And it is canonical that cyborgs have a harder time, Vader couldn't use lightning because of that. Anyone can learn, it's just they don't have the predisposition to it and can't go far. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:931933622] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ViewtifulGrave posted... </cite> <quote>Why didnt Dooku teach Grievous to use the Force and not just lightsaber combat? The answer is that Grievous isnt Force sensitive.</quote> Living things dude, he was mostly metal. And it is canonical that cyborgs have a harder time, Vader couldn't use lightning because of that. Anyone can learn, it's just they don't have the predisposition to it and can't go far. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/22/19 5:13:13 PM #16:	ZMythos posted... https://youtu.be/YnNSnJbjdws?t=81 I mean, it's wholly possible that dude has never heard of the Force and Vader was having none of it. That does not imply that you only need faith. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:931933643] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/YnNSnJbjdws?t=81</quote> I mean, it's wholly possible that dude has never heard of the Force and Vader was having none of it. That does not imply that you only need faith. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:14:29 PM #17:	dave_is_slick posted... But that is being force sensitive... Then by that logic everyone is force sensitive. Obi Wan heard "Millions of voices cry out", were there millions of jedi hiding on Alderaan? Back then it was the people who believe in it and surrender to it that get the most benefit. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931933699] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted... </cite> <quote>But that is being force sensitive...</quote>Then by that logic everyone is force sensitive. Obi Wan heard "Millions of voices cry out", were there millions of jedi hiding on Alderaan? Back then it was the people who believe in it and surrender to it that get the most benefit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:15:55 PM #18:	dave_is_slick posted... I mean, it's wholly possible that dude has never heard of the Force and Vader was having none of it. That does not imply that you only need faith. https://youtu.be/p0qLzsIhUMk?t=160 Han's definitely heard of it. He definitely doesn't believe in it and definitely can't use it either. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931933750] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, it's wholly possible that dude has never heard of the Force and Vader was having none of it. That does not imply that you only need faith.</quote>https://youtu.be/p0qLzsIhUMk?t=160 Han's definitely heard of it. He definitely doesn't believe in it and definitely can't use it either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/22/19 5:16:52 PM #19:	ZMythos posted... Then by that logic everyone is force sensitive. Obi Wan heard "Millions of voices cry out", were there millions of jedi hiding on Alderaan? Back then it was the people who believe in it and surrender to it that get the most benefit. I'm sorry what? The Force is essentially all living things. Of course someone would hear/feel the anguish of living things dying as their planet blows up. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Force, dude. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:931933792] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>Then by that logic everyone is force sensitive. Obi Wan heard "Millions of voices cry out", were there millions of jedi hiding on Alderaan? Back then it was the people who believe in it and surrender to it that get the most benefit.</quote>I'm sorry what? The Force is essentially all living things. Of course someone would hear/feel the anguish of living things dying as their planet blows up. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Force, dude. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 5:17:41 PM #20:	ZMythos posted... https://youtu.be/YnNSnJbjdws?t=81 There's nothing asinine about it. Are you literally using the OPINION of a character who has nothing but disdain for the Jedi to justify your stupid argument? Good lord what a fucking reach. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931933825] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/YnNSnJbjdws?t=81 There's nothing asinine about it.</quote>Are you literally using the OPINION of a character who has nothing but disdain for the Jedi to justify your stupid argument? Good lord what a fucking reach. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 5:18:12 PM #21:	The_Ivory_Man posted... And it is canonical that cyborgs have a harder time, Vader couldn't use lightning because of that. I mean, to be fair that's because it would've, ya know, fried him lol. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931933846] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>The_Ivory_Man posted... </cite> <quote>And it is canonical that cyborgs have a harder time, Vader couldn't use lightning because of that.</quote>I mean, to be fair that's because it would've, ya know, fried him lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/22/19 5:19:02 PM #22:	ZMythos posted... https://youtu.be/p0qLzsIhUMk?t=160 Han's definitely heard of it. He definitely doesn't believe in it and definitely can't use it either. Leia has heard of it. We can assume that many others on her ship believe. Why didn't they use it? Because she's the only one that was Force sensitive. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:931933874] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/p0qLzsIhUMk?t=160 Han's definitely heard of it. He definitely doesn't believe in it and definitely can't use it either.</quote>Leia has heard of it. We can assume that many others on her ship believe. Why didn't they use it? Because she's the only one that was Force sensitive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/22/19 5:19:49 PM #23:	The only people we've seen using the Force before the new trilogy was Anakin (apparently Jesus), his son, rich evil dudes and a bunch of literal knights. Its always been the province of class privilege and/or magic semen, even if by accident. --- If it hadn't been for you, i would be now in someone else's digestion! <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:931933911] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>The only people we've seen using the Force before the new trilogy was Anakin (apparently Jesus), his son, rich evil dudes and a bunch of literal knights. Its always been the province of class privilege and/or magic semen, even if by accident. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:21:59 PM #24:	dave_is_slick posted... I'm sorry what? The Force is essentially all living things. Of course someone would hear/feel the anguish of living things dying as their planet blows up. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Force, dude. You're missing my point entirely. The first movie directly establishes that anyone can be trained in the ways of the Force, regardless of what's in their blood. Sure, some people are gifted, but that doesn't exclude anyone from being able to use it. ASithLord7 posted... Are you literally using the OPINION of a character who has nothing but disdain for the Jedi to justify your stupid argument? Good lord what a fucking reach. I'm using a quote from the movie. It's also not an opinion. He's not the only person to describe it as a religion or faith. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931934005] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted... </cite> <quote>I'm sorry what? The Force is essentially all living things. Of course someone would hear/feel the anguish of living things dying as their planet blows up. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Force, dude.</quote> You're missing my point entirely. The first movie directly establishes that anyone can be trained in the ways of the Force, regardless of what's in their blood. Sure, some people are gifted, but that doesn't exclude anyone from being able to use it. ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>Are you literally using the OPINION of a character who has nothing but disdain for the Jedi to justify your stupid argument? Good lord what a fucking reach.</quote>I'm using a quote from the movie. It's also not an opinion. He's not the only person to describe it as a religion or faith. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:22:55 PM #25:	dave_is_slick posted... Leia has heard of it. We can assume that many others on her ship believe. Why didn't they use it? Because she's the only one that was Force sensitive. Why do they all say "May the Force be with you" If they couldn't use it? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931934034] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted... </cite> <quote>Leia has heard of it. We can assume that many others on her ship believe. Why didn't they use it? Because she's the only one that was Force sensitive.</quote>Why do they all say "May the Force be with you" If they couldn't use it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/22/19 5:25:08 PM #26:	ZMythos posted... Why do they all say "May the Force be with you" If they couldn't use it? ...Are you for real right now? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:931934121] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>Why do they all say "May the Force be with you" If they couldn't use it?</quote>...Are you for real right now? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:25:23 PM #27:	The Force isn't just a thing to be used. It also guides people and has its own will. The difference between the people whom it guides (ie. every living thing) and the people who use it (Jedi) is training. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931934131] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>The Force isn't just a thing to be used. It also guides people and has its own will. The difference between the people whom it guides (ie. every living thing) and the people who use it (Jedi) is training. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 5:26:30 PM #28:	ZMythos posted... The Force isn't just a thing to be used. It also guides people and has its own will. The difference between the people whom it guides (ie. every living thing) and the people who use it (Jedi) is training. The difference is motherfucking midichlorians. God this nonsense has to be a troll topic. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931934174] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>The Force isn't just a thing to be used. It also guides people and has its own will. The difference between the people whom it guides (ie. every living thing) and the people who use it (Jedi) is training.</quote>The difference is motherfucking midichlorians. God this nonsense has to be a troll topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:27:09 PM #29:	dave_is_slick posted... ...Are you for real right now? The Rebels use the phrase constantly. Why would a fleet of hundreds of people who can't use the Force still use that phrase? Because they believe in its ability to guide them. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931934213] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>dave_is_slick posted... </cite> <quote>...Are you for real right now?</quote>The Rebels use the phrase constantly. Why would a fleet of hundreds of people who can't use the Force still use that phrase? Because they believe in its ability to guide them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 5:27:58 PM #30:	ZMythos posted... The Rebels use the phrase constantly. Why would a fleet of hundreds of people who can't use the Force still use that phrase? Because they believe in its ability to guide them. That doesn't mean they can use, control, or manipulate it, genius. They were also led by fucking Jedi at various points. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931934243] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>The Rebels use the phrase constantly. Why would a fleet of hundreds of people who can't use the Force still use that phrase? Because they believe in its ability to guide them.</quote>That doesn't mean they can use, control, or manipulate it, genius. They were also led by fucking Jedi at various points. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:28:38 PM #31:	ASithLord7 posted... The difference is motherfucking midichlorians. God this nonsense has to be a troll topic. I mean you're missing the entire point of this topic and are nitpicking at a single claim out of several, which was that "You don't need to be someone born special to be a Jedi. You just need to fight fear and surrender to the Will of the Force" --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931934280] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>The difference is motherfucking midichlorians. God this nonsense has to be a troll topic.</quote>I mean you're missing the entire point of this topic and are nitpicking at a single claim out of several, which was that "You don't need to be someone born special to be a Jedi. You just need to fight fear and surrender to the Will of the Force" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 5:29:15 PM #32:	ZMythos posted... I mean you're missing the entire point of this topic and are nitpicking at a single claim out of several, which was that "You don't need to be someone born special to be a Jedi. You just need to fight fear and surrender to the Will of the Force" Except you do. Force-sensitivity is required to be a Jedi, and only an exceedingly small amount of people are born Force-sensitive. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931934297] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>I mean you're missing the entire point of this topic and are nitpicking at a single claim out of several, which was that "You don't need to be someone born special to be a Jedi. You just need to fight fear and surrender to the Will of the Force"</quote>Except you do. Force-sensitivity is required to be a Jedi, and only an exceedingly small amount of people are born Force-sensitive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:30:47 PM #33:	ASithLord7 posted... Except you do. Force-sensitivity is required to be a Jedi, and only an exceedingly small amount of people are born Force-sensitive. No it's literally not lol. Luke could use the Force all throughout Episodes 4 and 5, but wasn't acknowledged as a Jedi by Yoda until he confronted his fear and surrendered to the Light Side of the Force. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931934354] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>Except you do. Force-sensitivity is required to be a Jedi, and only an exceedingly small amount of people are born Force-sensitive.</quote>No it's literally not lol. Luke could use the Force all throughout Episodes 4 and 5, but wasn't acknowledged as a Jedi by Yoda until he confronted his fear and surrendered to the Light Side of the Force. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 5:32:03 PM #34:	ZMythos posted... No it's literally not lol. Luke could use the Force all throughout Episodes 4 and 5, but wasn't acknowledged as a Jedi by Yoda until he confronted his fear and surrendered to the Light Side of the Force. Yes, because a JEDI KNIGHT is someone knighted by another member of the Order, and is a specific sect of Force-users. Luke was always Force-sensitive, his motherfucking father was the Chosen One. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931934414] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>No it's literally not lol. Luke could use the Force all throughout Episodes 4 and 5, but wasn't acknowledged as a Jedi by Yoda until he confronted his fear and surrendered to the Light Side of the Force.</quote>Yes, because a JEDI KNIGHT is someone knighted by another member of the Order, and is a specific sect of Force-users. Luke was always Force-sensitive, his motherfucking father was the Chosen One. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/22/19 5:33:33 PM #35:	ZMythos posted... The Rebels use the phrase constantly. Why would a fleet of hundreds of people who can't use the Force still use that phrase? Because they believe in its ability to guide them. A holdover of the time when Jedi were Generals. Pretty obvious. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:931934487] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>The Rebels use the phrase constantly. Why would a fleet of hundreds of people who can't use the Force still use that phrase? Because they believe in its ability to guide them.</quote>A holdover of the time when Jedi were Generals. Pretty obvious. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:35:03 PM #36:	ASithLord7 posted... Yes, because a JEDI KNIGHT is someone knighted by another member of the Order, and is a specific sect of Force-users. Luke was always Force-sensitive, his motherfucking father was the Chosen One. Bureaucracy, ceremonies, and selective exclusivity are what defines a Jedi then? Ok. Where was the Order when Luke became a jedi? Who knighted him? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931934542] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, because a JEDI KNIGHT is someone knighted by another member of the Order, and is a specific sect of Force-users. Luke was always Force-sensitive, his motherfucking father was the Chosen One.</quote> Bureaucracy, ceremonies, and selective exclusivity are what defines a Jedi then? Ok. Where was the Order when Luke became a jedi? Who knighted him? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulGrave 12/22/19 5:39:23 PM #37:	ZMythos posted... Or maybe that the Force, which is described as being a part of all living things, wasn't a part of someone who was 90% droid? Or maybe Dooku didn't bother to teach him since having 4 arms with lightsabers was sufficient? Or maybe he DID know how because Grievous was quoted as saying he was trained "In the Jedi Arts" and not "In lightsaber combat" specifically? This is all BS head canon. Every source says that Grievous isnt Force sensitive. --- You enjoy teaching high schoolers, and I'll enjoy creating my crappy manga. Let's see where we both are in a year. TheDoorMouse Update https://imgur.com/vz0c9xf <cite>ViewtifulGrave posted [p:931934702] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>Or maybe that the Force, which is described as being a part of all living things, wasn't a part of someone who was 90% droid? Or maybe Dooku didn't bother to teach him since having 4 arms with lightsabers was sufficient? Or maybe he DID know how because Grievous was quoted as saying he was trained "In the Jedi Arts" and not "In lightsaber combat" specifically?</quote>This is all BS head canon. Every source says that Grievous isnt Force sensitive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 5:40:49 PM #38:	ZMythos posted... Bureaucracy, ceremonies, and selective exclusivity are what defines a Jedi then? Ok. Where was the Order when Luke became a jedi? Who knighted him? Are you under the impression that all Force users are Jedi? Yoda told him that when he confronted Vader above Endor he would be a Jedi Knight. P sure the head of the Order has a say in that. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931934761] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>Bureaucracy, ceremonies, and selective exclusivity are what defines a Jedi then? Ok. Where was the Order when Luke became a jedi? Who knighted him?</quote>Are you under the impression that all Force users are Jedi? Yoda told him that when he confronted Vader above Endor he would be a Jedi Knight. P sure the head of the Order has a say in that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:44:47 PM #39:	ASithLord7 posted... Are you under the impression that all Force users are Jedi? That's exactly what I'm not saying. I'm saying a Jedi is someone who: A) Surrenders to the Will of the Force and B) Confronts fear. I'm saying that anyone can be trained to use the Force and anyone can be a Jedi. Some people are better predisposed to it, but it's not a direct requirement. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931934930] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>Are you under the impression that all Force users are Jedi?</quote>That's exactly what I'm not saying. I'm saying a Jedi is someone who: A) Surrenders to the Will of the Force and B) Confronts fear. I'm saying that anyone can be trained to use the Force and anyone can be a Jedi. Some people are better predisposed to it, but it's not a direct requirement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/22/19 5:45:32 PM #40:	ZMythos posted... I'm saying a Jedi is someone who: A) Surrenders to the Will of the Force and B) Confronts fear. A Jedi is a Force-sensitive who is a part of the Jedi Order. ZMythos posted... I'm saying that anyone can be trained to use the Force and anyone can be a Jedi. Some people are better predisposed to it, but it's not a direct requirement. It is a direct requirement to be a Force sensitive to use the Force. Shut the fuck up. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931934963] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>I'm saying a Jedi is someone who: A) Surrenders to the Will of the Force and B) Confronts fear.</quote>A Jedi is a Force-sensitive who is a part of the Jedi Order. ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>I'm saying that anyone can be trained to use the Force and anyone can be a Jedi. Some people are better predisposed to it, but it's not a direct requirement.</quote>It is a direct requirement to be a Force sensitive to use the Force. Shut the fuck up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 5:48:16 PM #41:	ASithLord7 posted... It is a direct requirement to be a Force sensitive to use the Force. Shut the fuck up. No it's not lol. Chirrut mwe was not "force sensitive," but though being a strong believer and self-taught in how to let go, he allowed the force to guide him and let him see. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931935073] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>It is a direct requirement to be a Force sensitive to use the Force. Shut the fuck up.</quote>No it's not lol. Chirrut mwe was not "force sensitive," but though being a strong believer and self-taught in how to let go, he allowed the force to guide him and let him see. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulGrave 12/22/19 6:07:56 PM #42:	ZMythos posted... No it's not lol. Chirrut mwe was not "force sensitive," but though being a strong believer and self-taught in how to let go, he allowed the force to guide him and let him see. <i>mwe's Zama-shiwo skills were said to have given him supernatural powers that would alter his heart and oxygen intake<\i> Zama-shiwo =\= The Force. --- You enjoy teaching high schoolers, and I'll enjoy creating my crappy manga. Let's see where we both are in a year. TheDoorMouse Update https://imgur.com/vz0c9xf <cite>ViewtifulGrave posted [p:931935795] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>No it's not lol. Chirrut mwe was not "force sensitive," but though being a strong believer and self-taught in how to let go, he allowed the force to guide him and let him see.</quote><i>mwe's Zama-shiwo skills were said to have given him supernatural powers that would alter his heart and oxygen intake<\i> Zama-shiwo =\= The Force. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 12/22/19 6:14:12 PM #43:	ViewtifulGrave posted... mwe's Zama-shiwo skills were said to have given him supernatural powers that would alter his heart and oxygen intake<\i> Zama-shiwo =\= The Force His devotion to spirituality helped him overcome his blindness and become a formidable warrior From the same article. ^^ altering his heart would help with, say, his strength and agility. But the ability to react and perceive others was strictly done through the Force. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:931936017] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>ViewtifulGrave posted... </cite> <quote>mwe's Zama-shiwo skills were said to have given him supernatural powers that would alter his heart and oxygen intake<\i> Zama-shiwo =\= The Force</quote> His devotion to spirituality helped him overcome his blindness and become a formidable warrior From the same article. ^^ altering his heart would help with, say, his strength and agility. But the ability to react and perceive others was strictly done through the Force. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulGrave 12/22/19 6:17:32 PM #44:	Then he is Force sensitive, just untrained. --- You enjoy teaching high schoolers, and I'll enjoy creating my crappy manga. Let's see where we both are in a year. TheDoorMouse Update https://imgur.com/vz0c9xf <cite>ViewtifulGrave posted [p:931936178] in Some thoug... [t:78274849]...</cite> <quote>Then he is Force sensitive, just untrained. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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