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Akagami_Shanks
12/21/19 8:22:23 AM
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It's like if you use the force you have to be either a Jedi or a Sith, there is no inbetween. Either a Monk or a mass murderer

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K181
12/21/19 8:23:10 AM
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Because that's the point.

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Akagami_Shanks
12/21/19 8:24:43 AM
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Only a sith deals in absolutes

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 8:27:42 AM
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There is no neutral side. Even non-Jedi Force users are still good or bad. The light side is the natural, balanced state

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Behaviorism
12/21/19 8:38:52 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
There is no neutral side. Even non-Jedi Force users are still good or bad. The light side is the natural, balanced state
The hell there isn't. Play KOTOR 2

Red X(teen titans): "I'm a thief
I'm not out threatening your precious city. Just looking out for number 1."

I'd use the force to steal, look up skirts, beat up people i hate, etc. Why do i have to take over the galaxy or save it?

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12/21/19 8:42:16 AM
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PrettyBoyFloyd
12/21/19 8:42:39 AM
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Guess force users have some kind of mental disorder.

You're either are or aren't.

What a life to live.

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Distant_Rainbow
12/21/19 8:46:16 AM
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Because there isn't one. Not all Light Side users are Jedi and not all Dark Side users are Sith, but a Force user is either Light or Dark. No exceptions.

To borrow a Lucas metaphor(IIRC), it's because the Dark Side is a disease and a cancer. You don't have 'halfway cancer'. You either have cancer or you don't.

Behaviorism posted...
I'd use the force to steal, look up skirts, beat up people i hate, etc. Why do i have to take over the galaxy or save it?

You're Dark Side. Nobody cares if you want to conquer the galaxy or not.

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Garioshi
12/21/19 8:49:25 AM
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The Dark Side is closer to heroin than cancer tbh, it's great if you can handle it, but I'm betting you can't handle it.

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Hexenherz
12/21/19 8:50:04 AM
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Because they struggle to write a coherent story with just two sides. Imagine how big of a fucking mess it would be if they tried to explore a third aspect there.

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Doom_Art
12/21/19 8:52:09 AM
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Garioshi posted...
The Dark Side is closer to heroin than cancer tbh, it's great if you can handle it, but I'm betting you can't handle it.

A force user using the Dark Side is like that infamous reddit user who said he'd try heroin "for fun" because he was bored and wasn't worried because he could "handle it" in "moderation". Then his post history over the next several months is his decline into a junkie and an addict

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Hexenherz
12/21/19 8:52:35 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
A force user using the Dark Side is like that infamous reddit user who said he'd try heroin "for fun" because he was bored and wasn't worried because he could "handle it" in "moderation". Then his post history over the next several months is his decline into a junkie and an addict
Is this a real thing that you have a link to lol

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Doom_Art
12/21/19 8:59:22 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
Is this a real thing that you have a link to lol
https://www.reddit.com/user/SpontaneousH/submitted/

note to the mods: this guy willingly makes this info public because he wants people to share his experience as a cautionary tale.

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Hexenherz
12/21/19 9:02:29 AM
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Godnorgosh posted...
KOTOR 2 does it pretty well, although I wouldn't trust Disney with it tbh
Yeah but we're talking about the movies here.

I don't think anyone who wrote any of the new SW movies knows how to write a movie.

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ROBANN_88
12/21/19 9:03:41 AM
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isn't that the Gray Jedi?

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 9:09:54 AM
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Behaviorism posted...
The hell there isn't. Play KOTOR 2

Red X(teen titans): "I'm a thief
I'm not out threatening your precious city. Just looking out for number 1."

I'd use the force to steal, look up skirts, beat up people i hate, etc. Why do i have to take over the galaxy or save it?
KOTOR 2 is noncanon trash. The Dark Side is a corrupting cancer. Also stealing and sexually assaulting people is uhhhhhh pretty not great?

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Doom_Art
12/21/19 9:11:33 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
KOTOR 2 is noncanon trash
whoa eh let's not say anything we can't take back here

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Garioshi
12/21/19 9:11:37 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
KOTOR 2 is noncanon trash. The Dark Side is a corrupting cancer. Also stealing and sexually assaulting people is uhhhhhh pretty not great?
KOTOR 2 is one of the only things that survived the Disney continuity wipe, along with KOTOR 1, TOR, and the Clone Wars show.

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 9:12:32 AM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
isn't that the Gray Jedi?
No such thing

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Doom_Art
12/21/19 9:12:55 AM
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Garioshi posted...
KOTOR 2 is one of the only things that survived the Disney continuity wipe, along with KOTOR 1, TOR, and the Clone Wars show.
TOR and Kotor aren't part of the new canon IIRC

It's considered part of Legends. It just happens to be the only Legends material that still gets updates.

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 9:13:21 AM
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Garioshi posted...
KOTOR 2 is one of the only things that survived the Disney continuity wipe, along with KOTOR 1, TOR, and the Clone Wars show.
...dude. No. Lol. Neither KOTOR nor TOR are or have ever been canon

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 9:13:44 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
whoa eh let's not say anything we can't take back here


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Akagami_Shanks
12/21/19 9:14:29 AM
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imagine being force sensitive and the second you use it in anger, your entire life is now devoted to being a mass murdering psychopath.

Talk about predestination.

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Doom_Art
12/21/19 9:15:19 AM
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Tbh I will say that a part of me wishes more Legends stuff would continue to be developed. I know Star Trek kinda has their canon divided that way where they'll publish content in the Prime and Alternate Timelines.

It'd be cool if Disney did that with Canon and Legends.

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 9:15:50 AM
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Akagami_Shanks posted...
imagine being force sensitive and the second you use it in anger, your entire life is now devoted to being a mass murdering psychopath.

Talk about predestination.
Nobody is saying that.

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CyricZ
12/21/19 9:18:50 AM
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Because enlightened centrism doesn't fill theater seats.

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Compsognathus
12/21/19 9:19:16 AM
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Behaviorism posted...
The hell there isn't. Play KOTOR 2

Red X(teen titans): "I'm a thief
I'm not out threatening your precious city. Just looking out for number 1."

I'd use the force to steal, look up skirts, beat up people i hate, etc. Why do i have to take over the galaxy or save it?
That is the dark side. You are right that you aren't some galactic threat. They will never send Jedi against you, but you aren't "neutral".

And I love KOTOR II, but Force powers are definitely gameplay mechanics over lore. The cost of using lightning as a good guy isn't just that it takes more force points, it is that it corrupts your very being.

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Doom_Art
12/21/19 9:19:23 AM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Yo didn't you make a topic about Revan being canon? He came from KOTOR.
He as a historical figure is canon in the new continuity but as far as we know his exploits are a mystery.

All we know about him is that there was an ancient Sith Lord named Darth Revan.

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 9:20:35 AM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Yo didn't you make a topic about Revan being canon? He came from KOTOR.
There is a Darth Revan but we know nothing about them yet

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Doom_Art
12/21/19 9:22:24 AM
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Godnorgosh posted...
smh @ Revan appropriation
Tbh now that the Skywalker Saga is done with, I have a sneaking suspicion we're gonna be getting some canon Old Republic content, either in films, shows, or books/comics.

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 9:23:27 AM
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Im pretty excited to see a canonical Old Republic, as its not supposed to look and feel so much like the PT, but older and more ancient

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CyricZ
12/21/19 9:25:18 AM
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I get a feeling there was a LOT of holding back from EU writers waiting for IX to be out so they don't contradict movie stuff.

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Compsognathus
12/21/19 9:25:24 AM
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Godnorgosh posted...
smh @ Revan appropriation
My guess is that we do get actual canon old Republic adventures if only because it is an easy era to tell stories in since you aren't super worried about stepping on other toes and Revan is confirmed canon and super popular.

I just hope when it happens the universe actually feels thousands of years younger. I love KOTOR but it looks identical to prequel era Star Wars from a design and technology perspective. You can tell Bioware just wanted to make a Star Wars game and only chose the era they did so they wouldn't have to dance around the EU rather than really tackling the idea of a much younger Star Wars world.

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Doom_Art
12/21/19 9:26:49 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Im pretty excited to see a canonical Old Republic, as its not supposed to look and feel so much like the PT, but older and more ancient
I'd love it if they just went all out

Perverse Sith magic and alchemy

Weird quasi-Roman/ancient aesthetic

Traveling Jedi clans and families

Reality bending force powers

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 9:36:25 AM
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Compsognathus posted...
My guess is that we do get actual canon old Republic adventures if only because it is an easy era to tell stories in since you aren't super worried about stepping on other toes and Revan is confirmed canon and super popular.

I just hope when it happens the universe actually feels thousands of years younger. I love KOTOR but it looks identical to prequel era Star Wars from a design and technology perspective. You can tell Bioware just wanted to make a Star Wars game and only chose the era they did so they wouldn't have to dance around the EU rather than really tackling the idea of a much younger Star Wars world.
Yeah the relatively little that afaik we know about the canon Old Republic makes it seem much older thankfully. Hyperspace buoys needed to travel and shit

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 9:42:51 AM
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Also, its been years but didnt Revan and Bastila have some kind of Force connection? A diad perhaps?

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BillyKidd
12/21/19 9:44:53 AM
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Because before Force Awakens, Lucasfilm CEO Kathleen Kennedy, said that all non-film stuff (ie. cartoons, comic books, novels, etc...) are no longer canon. Which means, The Grey don't exist.

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Lairen
12/21/19 9:48:38 AM
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Dark Side Master: Im training you to murder me.
Dark Side Padawan: Ok.

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 9:51:04 AM
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Lairen posted...
Dark Side Master: Im training you to murder me.
Dark Side Padawan: Ok.
TROS raises some interesting possibilities about this

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iPhone_7
12/21/19 9:51:57 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
Because they struggle to write a coherent story with just two sides. Imagine how big of a fucking mess it would be if they tried to explore a third aspect there.

THIS.

Also movie-wise well never get a force using warrior that doesnt use a lightsaber & isnt a certified member of the Sith or Jedi Order. And although it wasnt stated that Snoke was a member of the Sith order, I count him and his red guard as an extension of it.

The closest thing we got was that badass blind guy in Rogue One. He wasnt a Jedi and wasnt a force-user. Although it seemed that the mysterious all powerful Force seemed to answer his prayers.

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 9:54:03 AM
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iPhone_7 posted...
THIS.

Also movie-wise well never get a force using warrior that doesnt use a lightsaber & isnt a certified member of the Sith or Jedi Order. And although it wasnt stated that Snoke was a member of the Sith order, I count him and his red guard as an extension of it.

The closest thing we got was that badass blind guy in Rogue One. He wasnt a Jedi and wasnt a force-user. Although it seemed that the mysterious all powerful Force seemed to answer his prayers.

I wouldnt have mind if they had made him force-sensitive and as a result had stronger senses.
Chirrut is Force Sensitive as are the Knights of Ren who dont use sabers soooooooo

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iPhone_7
12/21/19 10:01:24 AM
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I dont recall him saying that hes force sensitive/uses the force, or his friend explaining that to Jyn or someone else.

And I havent seen the new movie yet so I assume the Knights are pretty much an extension of the Sith order/religion

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RebelElite791
12/21/19 10:03:45 AM
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I mean he can dodge blasters and sense Kyber

neither Kylo nor the Knights are Sith

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Jabodie
12/21/19 10:08:17 AM
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Behaviorism posted...
The hell there isn't. Play KOTOR 2

Red X(teen titans): "I'm a thief
I'm not out threatening your precious city. Just looking out for number 1."

I'd use the force to steal, look up skirts, beat up people i hate, etc. Why do i have to take over the galaxy or save it?
KOTOR 2 is extremely dumb.

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ThyCorndog
12/21/19 10:09:28 AM
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Radical Enlightened Centrist Jedi

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DarthAragorn
12/21/19 10:10:28 AM
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Jabodie posted...
Behaviorism posted...
The hell there isn't. Play KOTOR 2

Red X(teen titans): "I'm a thief
I'm not out threatening your precious city. Just looking out for number 1."

I'd use the force to steal, look up skirts, beat up people i hate, etc. Why do i have to take over the galaxy or save it?
KOTOR 2 is extremely dumb.

It's probably the least dumb Star Wars has ever been
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