Current Events > Victim shoots it out with thugs and is the one arrested.

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https://www.wral.com/father-of-accused-shooter-at-smithfield-walmart-this-wouldn-t-have-happened-if-he-hadn-t-been-robbed/18832057/

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Victim shoots it out with thugs and is the one arrested.

Er, based on the article, the robbery was complete and the criminals were already retreating when he opened fire.

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Hexenherz posted...

Er, based on the article, the robbery was complete and the criminals were already retreating when he opened fire.

So he was rightfully arrested then. why is this a topic?

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I guess youre supposed to just let people steal your shit

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Hexenherz posted...

Er, based on the article, the robbery was complete and the criminals were already retreating when he opened fire.

Well isn't it normal for someone to shoot at people who steal from them ?

I mean how many will run after them and say "give me my stuff back!" and get it back.

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YourDrunkFather posted...

I guess youre supposed to just let people steal your shit

No but you also should not shoot at someone as they're running away. You should only shoot if your life is in direct danger.

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YourDrunkFather posted...

I guess youre supposed to just let people steal your shit

I guess you're just suppose to shoot guns in public, putting everyone in harms way, just to be a big shot

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YourDrunkFather posted...

I guess youre supposed to just let people steal your shit

I think it depends on the situation.

If someone has broken into your home, then usually the use of force of some kind is justified to defend yourself.

If you're in a public setting where the crime has been committed and the robbers no longer pose a direct threat to you, then you're creating an even more dangerous situation by initiating a gunfight when innocent bystanders could be harmed or killed.

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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Well isn't it normal for someone to shoot at people who steal from them ?

I mean how many will run after them and say "give me my stuff back!" and get it back.

In the first case, as a means of self-defense *during* the act it is maybe somewhat justifiable, though still not smart if you're outnumbered by multiple armed people. Otherwise, it is no longer self-defense once the criminals have turned away and started to flee.

In the second case, that's also not an advisable course of action, especially when we're talking about armed criminals.

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YourDrunkFather posted...

I guess youre supposed to just let people steal your shit

If only there was a way to report and investigate crime or to receive reparations for being victimized.

Seems smarter than shooting guns in public when the perps are already on the run.

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hockeybub89 posted...

If only there was a way to report and investigate crime or to receive reparations for being victimized.

Seems smarter than shooting guns in public when the perps are already on the run.

So suddenly we trust the police.

Guy should get his ass kicked. I'm all for self defense, but in a public place like where there are other people around don't engage in a firefight, especially if the douchebags are leaving.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

No but you also should shoot at someone as they're running away. You should only shoot if your life is in direct danger.

lmao

He shouldn't have shot but there are extenuating circumstances here and he does seem remorseful so I don't believe the sentence will be too high.

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I'm usually all for being able to defend your stuff, but he's in a public parking lot so...

It is ridiculous how defending your property is looked down on by certain people. Why should I have to give up things I worked hard for because of some asshole? What about priceless and irreplaceable things like heirlooms and such? Even if the cops catch the criminal later you're not guaranteed to get your stuff back. If someone doesn't want to get shot then they shouldn't break into houses.

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PBusted posted...

So suddenly we trust the police.

No, but you still shouldn't shoot at someone in public who is running away. Its way too risky and puts many other people at risk. Stop being so dense. Its a really stupid thing to do and terrible gun management. Only discharge your weapon if your own life is directly in danger. People running away with some material possessions is not a reason to shoot at a moving target in public.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

No but you also should shoot at someone as they're running away. You should only shoot if your life is in direct danger.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I guess you're just suppose to shoot guns in public, putting everyone in harms way, just to be a big shot

Very easy to judge this situation outside of the heat of the moment. People are liable to do all kinds of crazy shit when theyre scared and upset. He just got robbed at gunpoint. I dont see either of you pearl clutching about the fact that they literally just drew guns on him.

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YourDrunkFather posted...

Very easy to judge this situation outside of the heat of the moment. People are liable to do all kinds of crazy shit when theyre scared and upset. He just got robbed at gunpoint. I dont see either of you pearl clutching about the fact that they literally just drew guns on him.

Heat of the moment is no excuse for stupidity. You own a gun, you use it properly. if you and i got into an argument and in the "Heat of the Moment" I get so mad i punched you and it killed you, i wouldn't be able to use "heat of the moment" as a defense. You're a gun owner...be a responsible one and don't fire at someone running away in public unless your own life is in danger. Period. Its not a difficult concept. People get road rage when someone almost hits them and pull out their guns all the time...is that just heat of the moment because "we almost could have crashed and i could have died!"....no, its irresponsible gun use.

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hockeybub89 posted...

If only there was a way to report and investigate crime or to receive reparations for being victimized.

Seems smarter than shooting guns in public when the perps are already on the run.

Lol shut the fuck up. Its basically common knowledge that people virtually never get stolen property or money back.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

No, but you still shouldn't shoot at someone in public who is running away. Its way too risky and puts many other people at risk. Stop being so dense. Its a really stupid thing to do and terrible gun management. Only discharge your weapon if your own life is directly in danger. People running away with some material possessions is not a reason to shoot at a moving target in public.

Nah, it's just amusing seeing people who's all "fuck the police; never cooperate with them. ACAB" suddenly go "let's leave it to the cops" when criminals have robbed others.

"Easier said then done" . . . the topic

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Heat of the moment is no excuse for stupidity. You own a gun, you use it properly. if you and i got into an argument and in the "Heat of the Moment" I get so mad i punched you and it killed you, i wouldn't be able to use "heat of the moment" as a defense. You're a gun owner...be a responsible one and don't fire at someone running away in public unless your own life is in danger. Period. Its not a difficult concept. People get road rage when someone almost hits them and pull out their guns all the time...is that just heat of the moment because "we almost could have crashed and i could have died!"....no, its irresponsible gun use.

I like how you seem infinitely more upset that a guy used to gun to defend himself and his property then you are that multiple people used them to literally rob somebody.

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PBusted posted...

Nah, it's just amusing seeing people who's all "fuck the police; never cooperate with them. ACAB" suddenly go "let's leave it to the cops" when criminals have robbed others.

That kind of stuff happens in a lot of anti-gun arguments in general.

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PBusted posted...

Nah, it's just amusing seeing people who's all "fuck the police; never cooperate with them. ACAB" suddenly go "let's leave it to the cops" when criminals have robbed others.

You don't have to leave it to the cops. just don't shoot at fleeing people in the back, in public. I highly doubt this guy was a sure trick shot, i'm sure those guys running weren't giving him a straight line to hit them. they were likely moving and weaving...its stupid and reckless to do what he did. The criminals are scum but the gun owner is an idiot. no one looks good here.

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YourDrunkFather posted...

I like how you seem infinitely more upset that a guy used to gun to defend himself and his property then you are that multiple people used them to literally rob somebody.

I'm upset that they use them to rob people too. and in that case, if the robbers came in and pointed a gun at him, and he pointed one back and shot, i;d have no issue with what he did at all. in that case his life was potentially at risk whether the robber intended to actually fire or not. Shooting at a fleeing person in public is idiotic. Don't put words in my mouth or try and claim you think you know what i think. you just brought up two different scenarios and think i'd attack the gun owner in both of them, which clearly i wouldn't have.

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CProtectionSvce posted...

He shouldn't have shot but there are extenuating circumstances here and he does seem remorseful so I don't believe the sentence will be too high.

Well there is the kid's age to take into account.

I mean a 19 year old doesn't know how the streets work.

TheVipaGTS posted...

No, but you still shouldn't shoot at someone in public who is running away. Its way too risky and puts many other people at risk. Stop being so dense. Its a really stupid thing to do and terrible gun management. Only discharge your weapon if your own life is directly in danger. People running away with some material possessions is not a reason to shoot at a moving target in public.

That section at that Walmart is stone cold dead.

Half the lot is set up with yard decorations and things.

Like myself who might have only 4 or 5 items only use it for a quick in and out and use the Garden Center checkout.

Probably why he was a easy target.

Seen people and panhandlers buy and sell drugs in that area.

Hell it could have been a drug deal gone bad.

School kids park there and hang and raise hell until the cops run them off.

Still there is a shit load of cameras in the area but I don't know if they are real or dummy cameras.

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You can try and justify it all you want. It should not be something that is normalized. Its irresponsible gun use. Use it when your life is on the line, not at a fleeing person when a material object is stolen....Yes it sucks, but the emphasis should be on responsible gun use...this isn't it.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

You can try and justify it all you want. It should not be something that is normalized. Its irresponsible gun use. Use it when your life is on the line, not at a fleeing person when a material object is stolen....Yes it sucks, but the emphasis should be on responsible gun use...this isn't it.

But what about the rage and anger that boils?

Hell the kid could have killed himself rather than to live with the thought he let someone take advantage of him.

But now he might pull 3 to 7 depending on if the kid he shot dies or not.

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YourDrunkFather posted...

Very easy to judge this situation outside of the heat of the moment. People are liable to do all kinds of crazy shit when theyre scared and upset. He just got robbed at gunpoint. I dont see either of you pearl clutching about the fact that they literally just drew guns on him.

And if he would of got the gun and shot while still in the life threatening situation, I wouldn't be saying that. But no, he was no longer in a life threatening situation and decided to put others in one. Do you need someone you know to get hit with a stray, before you realize this isn't the right move?

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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

But what about the rage and anger that boils?

Hell the kid could have killed himself rather than to live with the thought he let someone take advantage of him.

But now he might pull 3 to 7 depending on if the kid he shot dies or not.

oddly specific take buddy

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

But what about the rage and anger that boils?

Hell the kid could have killed himself rather than to live with the thought he let someone take advantage of him.

The alternative - having to live with the thought that he took someone's life over a material object that is not worth as much as a human being. Having to live with a burdened conscience, and losing the freedom to pursue whatever his life's aspirations were rather than being confined to a prison for several years.

But guess what? Neither suicide *nor* homicide are reasonable outcomes in this case. Yes, being robbed at gunpoint is a very traumatizing experience, but that's what family and friends are for. You might also be surprised to hear that people even spend years studying and then building a career out of helping others through traumatizing experiences.


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Americans: why do we have a gun violence epidemic? It's a mystery

Also Americans:

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Well isn't it normal for someone to shoot at people who steal from them ?

I mean how many will run after them and say "give me my stuff back!" and get it back.

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pinky0926 posted...

Taking the bait: The post

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Hexenherz posted...

The alternative - having to live with the thought that he took someone's life over a material object that is not worth as much as a human being. Having to live with a burdened conscience, and losing the freedom to pursue whatever his life's aspirations were rather than being confined to a prison for several years.

But guess what? Neither suicide *nor* homicide are reasonable outcomes in this case. Yes, being robbed at gunpoint is a very traumatizing experience, but that's what family and friends are for. You might also be surprised to hear that people even spend years studying and then building a career out of helping others through traumatizing experiences.

A lot of people would save their dog over a random child. My personal material objects most dear to me are definitely worth more to me than some violent criminal.

Snip-N-Snails posted...

A lot of people would save their dog over a random child. My personal material objects most dear to me are definitely worth more to me than some violent criminal.

I don't even understand why you're bringing the pet/child hypothetical up here, it's irrelevant (different situation, plus animals are living beings that we form meaningful connections with) and doesn't disprove anything I said (a normal person would be distraught at having to make a choice like that to begin with, regardless of what they chose, just like a normal person would probably feel bad about taking someone else's life, especially if in the course of that action an innocent bystander were injured/killed).

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You rob me, you aint outrunning this bullet

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If he'd shot the guy while being robbed it would have been permissable. Doing it after the fact is not self defense, it's vigilante shit and no duh that's against the law. He's lucky he didn't hit any bystanders opening fire in a goddamn Walmart parking lot

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YourDrunkFather posted...

I guess youre supposed to just let people steal your shit

You don't get to fire on people who are running away. You don't even get to fire on people on your property unless your state laws and the circumstances apply.

We have castle doctrine for a reason.

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You can only shoot people who are running away from you if youre a cop

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eston posted...

If he'd shot the guy while being robbed it would have been permissable. Doing it after the fact is not self defense, it's vigilante shit and no duh that's against the law. He's lucky he didn't hit any bystanders opening fire in a goddamn Walmart parking lot

I already said that area is isolated.

Probably why he was a easy target.


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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I already said that area is isolated.

Probably why he was a easy target.

We don't have special allowances for shooting people because they live in the boonies. If that were the case trailer parks would have a lot more turnover.

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