Current Events > Very excited that Python 2 and Windows 7 will both be dead in January.

(+) Yeah! (+)

People need to let stuff go.

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@TeaMilk

hope your company gets the memo

treewojima posted...

@TeaMilk

hope your company gets the memo

Lmao they're still using perl for a lot of stuff, I wouldn't count on it

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Ex-Kefiroth posted...

you'll have to pry my Windows 7 from my cold dead hands

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MS can try to end its life but Windows 7 will never die.

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I'm just going to take my Windows 7 machine offline and use another computer to browse and download and shit. I'm not updating and reoptimizing all my programs and settings. Everything works right now how I want it to.

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TeaMilk posted...

treewojima posted...

@TeaMilk

hope your company gets the memo

Lmao they're still using perl for a lot of stuff, I wouldn't count on it

Perl is one of those tried and true languages for shell scripting, server-side web app and text processing that Just Works. I can understand that, don't fix what ain't broke, even if it's internal or CGI stuff

... unless it's for new projects, in which case everyone calling those shots should be fired

Python 2 is a bit different since it's literally being discontinued and 3 is superior in every way

Windows 7 was the last user-focused MS OS. Windows 10 is better, but has clear and obvious downsides. Why would anyone celebrate the death of Win7 when the best replacement is Linux?

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That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die

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python2 being dead will just make it even more annoying when my python installation somehow magically transforms into python2

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isn't python 2.6 like the gold standard of the language

also, windows 8 and everything that has followed has been shamefully bloated; if i ever got another windows box, i would strongly prefer 7

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iron jojo posted...

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die

*claps*

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Yeah, Windows 10 is a step up from 8/8.1, but after all this time I still hate the UI with a passion and wish they would at least give us classic Windows themes as alternatives.

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iron jojo posted...

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die

https://windows95tips.com

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Definitely excited for Python

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TheMikh posted...

isn't python 2.6 like the gold standard of the language

everything Python 2 does, Python 3 improves and builds on

there's absolutely no reason to use Python 2 other than compatibility with old or proprietary modules that haven't been ported

Hexenherz posted...

Yeah, Windows 10 is a step up from 8/8.1, but after all this time I still hate the UI with a passion and wish they would at least give us classic Windows themes as alternatives.

Also it insists on screwing with my preferred applications every few updates.

"Are you sure you don't want to play those MP3s in Media Player?"
"Maybe you'd like to open that shortcut in Microsoft Edge, a fast browser for Windows 10? Huh? Huh?"

@smoke_break posted...

I'm just going to take my Windows 7 machine offline and use another computer to browse and download and shit. I'm not updating and reoptimizing all my programs and settings. Everything works right now how I want it to.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/bypass-discovered-to-allow-windows-7-extended-security-updates-on-all-systems/

@TheMikh posted...

also, windows 8 and everything that has followed has been shamefully bloated; if i ever got another windows box, i would strongly prefer 7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9VFikWw44g

@Hexenherz posted...

Yeah, Windows 10 is a step up from 8/8.1, but after all this time I still hate the UI with a passion and wish they would at least give us classic Windows themes as alternatives.

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/oldnewexplorer.html
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Also it insists on screwing with my preferred applications every few updates.

"Are you sure you don't want to play those MP3s in Media Player?"
"Maybe you'd like to open that shortcut in Microsoft Edge, a fast browser for Windows 10? Huh? Huh?"

Ugh yeah that's annoying as shit.

I like how it keeps resetting my sleep mode settings so the computer doesn't let me put it into sleep mode... then I gotta hunt down the instructions on how to enable it again and shit.

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Hexenherz posted...

I like how it keeps resetting my sleep mode settings so the computer doesn't let me put it into sleep mode... then I gotta hunt down the instructions on how to enable it again and shit.

I'm more annoyed that I constantly have to change the power button back to "turn it the hell off" every time windows helpfully changes it to "nap time".

Lonestar2000 posted...

My problems with Windows 10 aren't the design of the UI. I know you can change how it looks. My problems are Cortana, the Microsoft store, OneDrive, Microsoft accounts, spying on your programs, spying on your activity, ads in your own damn OS, and so on. Microsoft 10 is modern in all the wrong ways. It feels really Apple-ian in how much they want to control the user experience. Forced updates is one thing, but deleting your programs, targeted ads, etc are things no one actually asks for.

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Surprisingly, of all Windows systems, I used Me and Vista the most.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

ads in your own damn OS

Where

misery loves company it seems

*Reads through topic*

Ok, now why should one be glad 7 is going to be dead soon? 10 sounds annoying as fuck.

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Anyone know how to permanently turn off Win 10 updates?

Terrible.

I wish MS was less ham-fisted about Windows 10 updates, though.

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My Windows 7 computer is admittedly old and laggy, but Windows 10 >>> Windows 7 from my own experience. You just need Classic Shell.
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Solid Sonic posted...

I wish MS was less ham-fisted about Windows 10 updates, though.

Agreed with this tbh, although in the end it's not a big deal at all.
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Without Windows, PCs would not have caught on as well.

No one wants to run their system with the knowledge of a mechanic.

They just want to drive.

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BlingBling22947 posted...

Without Windows, PCs would not have caught on as well.

No one wants to run their system with the knowledge of a mechanic.

They just want to drive.

Not necessarily true. PC compatibles were hugely popular before Windows ever hit the scene, running various and somewhat intercompatible versions of DOS provided by MS, IBM, Digital (Novell), etc. MS definitely took an early lead, but they weren't the only game in town. There were also a few GUI overlays that competed with the early versions of Windows well before it asserted dominance with version 3.1 and above.

That's also not including non-Windows OSes like OS/2 (still used in ATMs) or something like BSD/386 (used for a lot of early web servers). Linux wasn't really a thing back then, the biggest competitor would have been Apple and the Macintosh

Ex-Kefiroth posted...

you'll have to pry my Windows 7 from my cold dead hands

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Try convincing my CFO that. >.>
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TheGleamEyes posted...

Anyone know how to permanently turn off Win 10 updates?

Terrible.

You really cant. You can try but it will auto install them back eventually.

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https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~reinholz/freebsd/3reasons.html

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DEAD: https://www.python.org/doc/sunset-python-2/

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Python in its entirety should be thrown in the trash. Fuck that shitty-ass language.
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Python is a great language you're just trash

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Python is a great language for garbage programmers.
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Sure take all your verbose static language bull shit and shit over there ====>

Meanwhile I'll be using good syntax like for x in xs and [row for row in rows where row.len > 1].

Also data science and machine learning

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IllegalAlien posted...

Sure take all your verbose static language bull shit and shit over there ====>

Meanwhile I'll be using good syntax like for x in xs and [row for row in rows where row.len > 1].

Also data science and machine learning

Enjoy run-time errors galore because your amateur hour language thinks explicit types take too much brain power for its users. Have fun with snail-level performance because of all those syntactic conveniences that python "programmers" slap together like monkeys throwing feces, not understanding all the extra work they're making the computer do for no reason.
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Run time errors? I've written 5000 lines of code before you've even closed your fist brace. I use Chad dynamic type checking and duck typing to implement design patterns that your weakling language needs interfaces for. Strongly typed languages are for the weak working pure CRUD jobs at an insurance company. Meanwhile the alpha Python users are working with big data, machine learning, and beautiful abstractions.

But tbh you sound like a college student so I'll leave it at this lol

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IllegalAlien posted...

Run time errors? I've written 5000 lines of code before you've even closed your fist brace. I use Chad dynamic type checking and duck typing to implement design patterns that your weakling language needs interfaces for. Strongly typed languages are for the weak working pure CRUD jobs at an insurance company. Meanwhile the alpha Python users are working with big data, machine learning, and beautiful abstractions.

But tbh you sound like a college student so I'll leave it at this lol

All the useful python libraries that do the real work behind big data and machine learning aren't actually written in python. Hmm, wonder why...

Python is more likely to be used by a clueless college student because it's the language they taught him in class. Only an omega loser would think in terms of "beta" and "alpha". Makes sense a clueless python user would think this way.
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My building still has the majority of its PCs on Windows 7.

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lmao I'm obviously trolling but you're so mad

Each language has it's pros and cons. Python is popular and useful because it's fast to develop in and the performance differences are not an important factor for many applications. god I'm boring myself just typing this

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IllegalAlien posted...

lmao I'm obviously trolling but you're so mad

Each language has it's pros and cons. Python is popular and useful because it's fast to develop in and the performance differences are not an important factor for many applications. god I'm boring myself just typing this

Yeah, I'm super serious with my "your waifu is trash" posts.

btw your waifu is trash
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I hear win 10 sucks on hdd's

there are legit complaints about Python, like the GIL problem or the structural use of whitespace as a scope delimiter, but other than that it's a nifty language. Not my first choice for a lot of stuff, but goddamn it's nice to write something quickly and have it Just Work

it's also way nicer than shell scripts or Perl for utility scripts on a *nix system