Current Events > US drone strike kills 5, including woman who had just given birth

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Antifar
12/02/19 7:10:23 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/01/world/asia/drone-civilians-afghanistan.html?
An American drone strike on a car carrying a woman who had just given birth in southeastern Afghanistan left five people dead, including the mother, three of her relatives and the driver, Afghan officials and family members said on Sunday.

The strike in the Alisher District of Khost Province occurred either late Friday night or early Saturday, they said. The woman, Malana, 25, had given birth to a son, her second child, at home. But her health had deteriorated soon after and relatives had been taking her to a clinic. On their way home, their vehicle was hit.

After the strike, there was confusion about whether the newborn was among the victims. Later, it became clear that the baby had not been in the car. Turab Khan, a relative, said the boy was safe at home.

The United States military command in Afghanistan confirmed a strike in Khost, saying that three Taliban fighters had been killed. But the military said the strike occurred on Thursday, Nov. 28.

We are aware of the allegations of civilian casualties and working with local authorities to determine the veracity of these claims, Col. Sonny Leggett, a military spokesman, said.

Gulmir Jan, a local tribal leader, said that hours after Malana had given birth, her health took a turn for the worse and her in-laws rushed her to the clinic. (Like most Afghans, the woman used one name.) A sister-in-law was among those in the car with her.

Their vehicle was completely destroyed, Mr. Jan said.

Claims of civilian casualties by American or Afghan strikes often come from parts of the country that are hard to gain access to, and accounts are difficult to verify. In September, officials and residents in southern Helmand Province said airstrikes had targeted a wedding convoy, killing 40 people. But military officials disputed that account and days later released information that said a senior leader of Al Qaeda had been killed in the strikes.

Civilian casualties reached a record in the third quarter of 2019, according to the United Nations, with 1,174 civilians killed and 3,139 others wounded. In its latest report, the United Nations said most of the casualties had been caused by the Taliban and other militants, but earlier in the year, it blamed Afghan and coalition forces for far more casualties than the Taliban.

President Trump, during an unannounced visit with American troops in Afghanistan last week, said that he had reopened peace negotiations with the Taliban, though the declaration appeared to have caught the militants by surprise.

He expressed the demand of the Afghan government for a cease-fire as a condition for peace talks, a major shift in American policy. In the deal they were near finalizing in September, before Mr. Trump abruptly called off talks, United States diplomats had concluded that the chances of achieving a cease-fire before signing a withdrawal agreement was unrealistic.

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Umbreon
12/02/19 7:15:59 PM
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That's fucked up
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Esrac
12/02/19 7:20:51 PM
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The article says 3 Taliban fighters were killed in the strike. So, at least 3/5s were targeted fighters and the other two were somehow associated with them?
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mustachedmystic
12/02/19 7:38:49 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
How is the US government any different from all these terrorist organizations?


The government doesn't deliberately target civilians.
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Tmaster148
12/02/19 7:39:28 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
How is the US government any different from all these terrorist organizations?


We really aren't.

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billcom6
12/02/19 7:39:31 PM
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but Obama
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Zikten
12/02/19 7:40:38 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
How is the US government any different from all these terrorist organizations?


The government doesn't deliberately target civilians.

Then why did they blow up this car?
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boxington
12/02/19 7:41:49 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
How is the US government any different from all these terrorist organizations?
because it helps create them

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Esrac
12/02/19 7:45:32 PM
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Zikten posted...
Then why did they blow up this car?


As the article suggests, to kill 3 Taliban fighters in the car.
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tainted_emerald
12/02/19 7:50:25 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
How is the US government any different from all these terrorist organizations?


The government doesn't deliberately target civilians.

Yeah, we just ignore if any civilians are around the targets when we strike.

Or actively write them off as unavoidable collateral damage.
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ffmasterjose
12/02/19 7:52:12 PM
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America fuck yeah! We got 'em boys. Thank you for your service
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Omnislasher
12/02/19 7:52:56 PM
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why do they hate us
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Omnislasher
12/02/19 7:54:26 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
How is the US government any different from all these terrorist organizations?


The government doesn't deliberately target civilians.

False.
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Smashingpmkns
12/02/19 7:55:44 PM
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Is taking out 3 Taliban members also worth killing an innocent woman who just gave birth and another innocent person? Sounds like they could have done better.
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Irony
12/02/19 7:57:51 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Is taking out 3 Taliban members also worth killing an innocent woman who just gave birth and another innocent person? Sounds like they could have done better.
Agreed. They should have given them all money and guns

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LightningAce11
12/02/19 8:00:20 PM
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Alright, that was really dumb to have been modded. We really defending the government when clearly they have killed civilians as shown in the article?
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SpiritSephiroth
12/02/19 8:01:25 PM
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Esrac posted...
As the article suggests, to kill 3 Taliban fighters in the car.


Even if that was true your statement literally says they killed civilians deliberately.

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coolboy11
12/02/19 8:04:46 PM
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every time I hear about these incidents Katt Williams skit on insurgents and how America just throws every person killed in one of them as an "insurgent" strikes me as painful true dark comedy.
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Kastrada
12/02/19 8:11:40 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
The government doesn't deliberately target civilians.


The sitting US president just pardoned a soldier who was deliberately targeting civilians.

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pres_madagascar
12/02/19 8:11:45 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
The government doesn't deliberately target civilians.
Lmao yes they do. All governments do.

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viewmaster_pi
12/02/19 8:13:57 PM
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It's weird to me that the military just keeps taking these drone potshots hoping they take out a couple fighters and not too many civilians in the process. That just seems like sloppy protocol no matter how you slice it.

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tennisdude818
12/02/19 8:22:04 PM
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The US government will keep bombing people until it runs out of money. Its horrible.

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Omnislasher
12/02/19 8:37:54 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
The US government will keep bombing people until it runs out of money. Its horrible.

And then those guns, tanks and bombers come home to keep order in the streets of the disintegrating empire itself.
Something to look forward to!
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/02/19 8:46:33 PM
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just remember, you're a traitor if you publicize info about the American government having no qualms with collateral damage.

that's worse than actually doing the killing to some people.
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od361
12/02/19 8:53:12 PM
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I'm disgusted and yet unsurprised.

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CADE FOSTER
12/02/19 8:54:09 PM
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we keep creating terrorists with drone strikes its a vicious cycle
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God_Of_Entirety
12/02/19 8:55:35 PM
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how many people would those taliban members have harmed if they weren't killed?

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Duncanwii
12/02/19 8:56:12 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
how many people would those taliban members have harmed if they weren't killed?
Probably 0.

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God_Of_Entirety
12/02/19 8:56:30 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Probably 0.
probably?

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Duncanwii
12/02/19 8:57:19 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
probably?
Yeah probably. I'm not psychic and cant tell the future.

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2Privileged4U
12/02/19 8:59:15 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
we keep creating terrorists with drone strikes its a vicious cycle


That's the price of conquest.

"We won, you lost, get over it" is a common belief amongst those who idolize conquerors.
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Irony
12/02/19 9:04:27 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
how many people would those taliban members have harmed if they weren't killed?
Between 0 and 42

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CADE FOSTER
12/02/19 9:07:40 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
how many people would those taliban members have harmed if they weren't killed?
How many new terrorists did we create by killing some ones children or family probably 100's
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FursonaNonGrata
12/02/19 9:08:45 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
How is the US government any different from all these terrorist organizations?


The government doesn't deliberately target civilians.


*sucks teeth*
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Paper_Okami
12/02/19 9:10:19 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
how many people would those taliban members have harmed if they weren't killed?


"let me find a way to excuse murdering a mother and her infant"

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God_Of_Entirety
12/02/19 9:13:19 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
God_Of_Entirety posted...
how many people would those taliban members have harmed if they weren't killed?


"let me find a way to excuse murdering a mother and her infant"

I don't care any more about a mother who just gave birth than if they were any other human being. I don't fall for sensationalism
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God_Of_Entirety
12/02/19 9:15:01 PM
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Anyone remember when the us cop shot and killed a pregnant woman?
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Kastrada
12/02/19 9:19:14 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
I don't care any more about a mother who just gave birth than if they were any other human being. I don't fall for sensationalism


But you just asked the hypothetical "How many people would those taliban members have harmed if they weren't killed?" so....you do care more about some people more than others. You are saying you care more about the innocent people that would hypothetically be harmed by the Taliban than the innocent people killed in this drone strike.


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RickyTheBAWSE
12/02/19 9:20:43 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
God_Of_Entirety posted...
how many people would those taliban members have harmed if they weren't killed?
How many new terrorists did we create by killing some ones children or family probably 100's


you might as well tag him. if you go too hard on him for saying dumb shit, he'll block you lmao.

I wouldn't even know he was posting if y'all weren't quoting his goofy ass post.
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God_Of_Entirety
12/02/19 9:21:08 PM
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Kastrada posted...
You are saying you care more about the innocent people that would hypothetically be harmed by the Taliban than the innocent people killed in this drone strike.

Which is why that hypothetical question hinges on a body count smart guy. Because they're all equal to me.
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Sad_Face
12/02/19 9:21:38 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
The US government will keep bombing people until it runs out of money. Its horrible.

We bomb people to maintain our sovereignty and position as world leader. It's a harsh reality of the world, not everyone can be on top.

This doesn't mean you can't play a role to stop supporting this, but it requires you to learn the ebb and flow of money and power. Learn about investing.
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PleaseClap
12/02/19 9:22:57 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
How is the US government any different from all these terrorist organizations?


The government doesn't deliberately target civilians.

"The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families,"
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/02/19 9:25:32 PM
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the alts are out to play now
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Duncanwii
12/02/19 9:27:03 PM
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GodBlessAustin posted...
War's been going on for 18 years because the military is being too safe.
When most of the worlds major countries have weapons capable of leveling entire cities they are right to act safely.

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MonkeyBones23
12/02/19 9:27:26 PM
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Imagine if another country decided to do this to the US. We'd start flipping out, play the victim, and call for war.
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GodBlessAustin
12/02/19 9:28:24 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
GodBlessAustin posted...
War's been going on for 18 years because the military is being too safe.
When most of the worlds major countries have weapons capable of leveling entire cities they are right to act safely.

All of our enemies hate each other though. Would one really be sad if another gets nuked?
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God_Of_Entirety
12/02/19 9:29:25 PM
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MonkeyBones23 posted...
Imagine if another country decided to do this to the US. We'd start flipping out, play the victim, and call for war.

Because we have better military

They want to but they know better
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PIITB415
12/02/19 9:34:02 PM
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God_Of_Entirety posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
God_Of_Entirety posted...
how many people would those taliban members have harmed if they weren't killed?


"let me find a way to excuse murdering a mother and her infant"

I don't care any more about a mother who just gave birth than if they were any other human being. I don't fall for sensationalism


This. Especially ones that are literally associated with terrorists. Tl
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