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Bio1590 12/02/19 1:16:27 PM #1:	https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/19/business/international-students-decline/index.html Fewer international students are coming to the United States. That's hurting American universities and the economy. The continued decline in international student enrollment since the fall of 2016 has cost the US economy $11.8 billion and more than 65,000 jobs, according to estimates from NAFSA: Association of International Educators, an international association of professional educators. "There's many variables, but largely it's been the policies and rhetoric from the current administration that's really driven the numbers to move in that direction," said Rachel Banks, director of public policy at NAFSA. There's a perception among international students that getting a visa for the United States is more difficult, and they increasingly feel unsafe in America, NAFSA survey data show. "It's not only the anti-immigrant rhetoric being expressed by this administration, there's also increasing concern with regard to gun violence in this country," said Banks. "There's been a number of shootings and that gets reported worldwide, and parents certainly take all of this into account when they are thinking about where they want to send their children to study." New international student enrollments declined by 0.9% during the 2018-2019 academic year, following a 6.6% decline in new enrollments in the year prior, according to the most recent US Department of State Open Doors report. This marks the first time the United States has seen a three-year decline. The Trump Administration has a different explanation for the lower enrollments. International students are discouraged by the high cost of US schools, said Caroline Casagrande, deputy assistant secretary for academic programs at the US Department of State's Bureau of Educational and Cultural affairs. The Trump administration has made "more efforts than ever in outreach to international students," and "to mitigate against the cost of education in the US," Casagrande said in a call with reporters last week. The loss of international students is hurting many universities financially. At California State University Northridge, the decrease in international students between 2016 to 2019 has resulted in a 26% revenue loss of about $6.5 million, the university said. For every seven international students, three US jobs are created or supported by spending in sectors including higher education, accommodations, dining, retail, and transportation, according to NAFSA. The more than one million international students currently enrolled at US colleges and universities contributed nearly $41 billion to the US economy, and supported 458,290 jobs during the 2018-2019 academic year, a new NAFSA report finds. International students are significant to school budgets, as many colleges and universities collect higher tuition from them. At Peninsula College in Washington State, international students are charged about $10,000 a year in tuition, while in-state students pay about $5,000. Peninsula College in Port Angeles, Washington, has seen a 25% drop in international student enrollment over the last two years, and the school had to cut 13 positions and suspend programs due to a $800,000 deficit that was due mostly to shrinking enrollment. "From our perspective, it's a troubling trend on a lot of different levels that we would like to see turn around," said Peninsula College President Luke Robins. "While the budget is concerning, a bigger thing for us is that we really value what international students bring to our college culture and organization." --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:931002417] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/19/business/international-students-decline/index.html <quote>Fewer international students are coming to the United States. That's hurting American universities and the economy. The continued decline in international student enrollment since the fall of 2016 has cost the US economy $11.8 billion and more than 65,000 jobs, according to estimates from NAFSA: Association of International Educators, an international association of professional educators. "There's many variables, but largely it's been the policies and rhetoric from the current administration that's really driven the numbers to move in that direction," said Rachel Banks, director of public policy at NAFSA. There's a perception among international students that getting a visa for the United States is more difficult, and they increasingly feel unsafe in America, NAFSA survey data show. "It's not only the anti-immigrant rhetoric being expressed by this administration, there's also increasing concern with regard to gun violence in this country," said Banks. "There's been a number of shootings and that gets reported worldwide, and parents certainly take all of this into account when they are thinking about where they want to send their children to study." New international student enrollments declined by 0.9% during the 2018-2019 academic year, following a 6.6% decline in new enrollments in the year prior, according to the most recent US Department of State Open Doors report. This marks the first time the United States has seen a three-year decline. The Trump Administration has a different explanation for the lower enrollments. International students are discouraged by the high cost of US schools, said Caroline Casagrande, deputy assistant secretary for academic programs at the US Department of State's Bureau of Educational and Cultural affairs. The Trump administration has made "more efforts than ever in outreach to international students," and "to mitigate against the cost of education in the US," Casagrande said in a call with reporters last week. The loss of international students is hurting many universities financially. At California State University Northridge, the decrease in international students between 2016 to 2019 has resulted in a 26% revenue loss of about $6.5 million, the university said. For every seven international students, three US jobs are created or supported by spending in sectors including higher education, accommodations, dining, retail, and transportation, according to NAFSA. The more than one million international students currently enrolled at US colleges and universities contributed nearly $41 billion to the US economy, and supported 458,290 jobs during the 2018-2019 academic year, a new NAFSA report finds. International students are significant to school budgets, as many colleges and universities collect higher tuition from them. At Peninsula College in Washington State, international students are charged about $10,000 a year in tuition, while in-state students pay about $5,000. Peninsula College in Port Angeles, Washington, has seen a 25% drop in international student enrollment over the last two years, and the school had to cut 13 positions and suspend programs due to a $800,000 deficit that was due mostly to shrinking enrollment. "From our perspective, it's a troubling trend on a lot of different levels that we would like to see turn around," said Peninsula College President Luke Robins. "While the budget is concerning, a bigger thing for us is that we really value what international students bring to our college culture and organization."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 12/02/19 1:16:37 PM #2:	Robins said that several factors contributed to the decline, including the US dollar being at nearly historic highs compared to other currencies. This may have encouraged international students to choose other countries over the United States, he said, as it poses a better value proposition for them. But the most significant factor is politics, said Jack Huls, vice president for student services at Peninsula College. In countries where the school traditionally had strong international enrollment, like China, it's become more difficult for students to get visas. "There's most certainly politics involved there," Huls said. "And that's political issues domestically, as well as senior politics between the US and China." Worldwide competition for international students is also heating up, NAFSA's Banks said. While the growth rate of students choosing to study in the United States declines, competitor countries are experiencing double-digit growth. "Countries like Canada, Australia, and China have developed proactive recruiting strategies and are actively recruiting students, while we seemingly are not wanting to attract students," Banks said. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:931002424] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote><quote>Robins said that several factors contributed to the decline, including the US dollar being at nearly historic highs compared to other currencies. This may have encouraged international students to choose other countries over the United States, he said, as it poses a better value proposition for them. But the most significant factor is politics, said Jack Huls, vice president for student services at Peninsula College. In countries where the school traditionally had strong international enrollment, like China, it's become more difficult for students to get visas. "There's most certainly politics involved there," Huls said. "And that's political issues domestically, as well as senior politics between the US and China." Worldwide competition for international students is also heating up, NAFSA's Banks said. While the growth rate of students choosing to study in the United States declines, competitor countries are experiencing double-digit growth. "Countries like Canada, Australia, and China have developed proactive recruiting strategies and are actively recruiting students, while we seemingly are not wanting to attract students," Banks said.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/02/19 1:59:43 PM #3:	The Trump Administration has a different explanation for the lower enrollments. International students are discouraged by the high cost of US schools International students are significant to school budgets, as many colleges and universities collect higher tuition from them. hmmm.... <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:931004013] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote><quote>The Trump Administration has a different explanation for the lower enrollments. International students are discouraged by the high cost of US schools</quote> <quote>International students are significant to school budgets, as many colleges and universities collect higher tuition from them.</quote> hmmm....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 12/02/19 2:00:52 PM #4:	thanks obama --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:931004067] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>thanks obama</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 12/02/19 2:05:51 PM #6:	republicans: "we hate foreigners, foreigners stay out" also republicans: "why don't foreigners want to come and spend money here?!" --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:931004273] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>republicans: "we hate foreigners, foreigners stay out" also republicans: "why don't foreigners want to come and spend money here?!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 12/02/19 2:06:21 PM #7:	Bio1590 posted... New international student enrollments declined by 0.9% during the 2018-2019 academic year, following a 6.6% decline in new enrollments in the year prior seems like things are mostly already turning around? Unless I'm misreading this --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:931004295] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>New international student enrollments declined by 0.9% during the 2018-2019 academic year, following a 6.6% decline in new enrollments in the year prior</quote> seems like things are mostly already turning around? Unless I'm misreading this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 12/02/19 2:06:24 PM #8:	No one in their right mind would willingly help the American insitutions when the country is openly xenophobic, specially when Canada and Europe are much better options. --- The force is my ally "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:931004296] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>No one in their right mind would willingly help the American insitutions when the country is openly xenophobic, specially when Canada and Europe are much better options.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ethosian 12/02/19 2:07:45 PM #9:	Stupid shit ICE is doing like this certainly doesn't help https://www.npr.org/2019/11/29/783681028/an-elaborate-ice-sting-set-up-a-fake-college-to-lure-student-visa-fraud <cite>Ethosian posted [p:931004344] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Stupid shit ICE is doing like this certainly doesn't help https://www.npr.org/2019/11/29/783681028/an-elaborate-ice-sting-set-up-a-fake-college-to-lure-student-visa-fraud</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tony_Biggie_Pun 12/02/19 2:09:45 PM #10:	Why would they come here just to get debt trapped. A lot of students even say the education quality is even better back home. <cite>Tony_Biggie_Pun posted [p:931004413] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Why would they come here just to get debt trapped. A lot of students even say the education quality is even better back home. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 12/02/19 2:13:14 PM #11:	kirbymuncher posted... Bio1590 posted... New international student enrollments declined by 0.9% during the 2018-2019 academic year, following a 6.6% decline in new enrollments in the year prior seems like things are mostly already turning around? Unless I'm misreading this No it just means that things only declined by .9% from the already declined 6.6%. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:931004536] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>New international student enrollments declined by 0.9% during the 2018-2019 academic year, following a 6.6% decline in new enrollments in the year prior</quote> seems like things are mostly already turning around? Unless I'm misreading this</quote> No it just means that things only declined by .9% from the already declined 6.6%.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/02/19 2:17:22 PM #12:	ScazarMeltex posted... kirbymuncher posted... Bio1590 posted... New international student enrollments declined by 0.9% during the 2018-2019 academic year, following a 6.6% decline in new enrollments in the year prior seems like things are mostly already turning around? Unless I'm misreading this No it just means that things only declined by .9% from the already declined 6.6%. Note that this is only a "decline" in government-math. 100 showing up one year, 93 showing up the next year, and 92 the year after that is still a net increase of 285, give or take graduations and washouts. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:931004712] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>New international student enrollments declined by 0.9% during the 2018-2019 academic year, following a 6.6% decline in new enrollments in the year prior</quote> seems like things are mostly already turning around? Unless I'm misreading this</quote> No it just means that things only declined by .9% from the already declined 6.6%.</quote> Note that this is only a "decline" in government-math. 100 showing up one year, 93 showing up the next year, and 92 the year after that is still a net increase of 285, give or take graduations and washouts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hanky_Bannister 12/02/19 2:20:10 PM #13:	Ethosian posted... Stupid shit ICE is doing like this certainly doesn't help https://www.npr.org/2019/11/29/783681028/an-elaborate-ice-sting-set-up-a-fake-college-to-lure-student-visa-fraud trumps america --- "3rd Best Whiskey in Northern Burma" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvjOu4EzjYg <cite>Hanky_Bannister posted [p:931004836] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Ethosian posted...</cite> <quote>Stupid shit ICE is doing like this certainly doesn't help https://www.npr.org/2019/11/29/783681028/an-elaborate-ice-sting-set-up-a-fake-college-to-lure-student-visa-fraud</quote> trumps america</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/02/19 2:27:07 PM #14:	Nobody wants to go to school in poor foreign countries with high tuition costs? Zounds. --- Fair enough, but I think everything you said is wrong and I hate you and you're crazy. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:931005130] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Nobody wants to go to school in poor foreign countries with high tuition costs? Zounds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 12/02/19 2:28:17 PM #15:	Ethosian posted... Stupid shit ICE is doing like this certainly doesn't help https://www.npr.org/2019/11/29/783681028/an-elaborate-ice-sting-set-up-a-fake-college-to-lure-student-visa-fraud Thanks Obama! --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:931005189] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Ethosian posted...</cite> <quote>Stupid shit ICE is doing like this certainly doesn't help https://www.npr.org/2019/11/29/783681028/an-elaborate-ice-sting-set-up-a-fake-college-to-lure-student-visa-fraud</quote> Thanks Obama!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ving_Rhames 12/02/19 2:31:32 PM #16:	What a shocker that foreigners no longer want to come to America lol --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:931005325] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>What a shocker that foreigners no longer want to come to America lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Milkman5 12/02/19 2:31:57 PM #17:	colleges are overcrowded. God forbid Americans get to go to American schools instead of rich international kids <cite>Milkman5 posted [p:931005338] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>colleges are overcrowded. God forbid Americans get to go to American schools instead of rich international kids </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 12/02/19 2:35:11 PM #18:	Questionmarktarius posted... hmmm.... I wonder how many of these students apply for Federal loans. ~~stupid beta hiding the relevant quote chain~~ <cite>Annihilated posted [p:931005469] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>hmmm....</quote> I wonder how many of these students apply for Federal loans. stupid beta hiding the relevant quote chain </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 12/02/19 2:35:18 PM #19:	Ethosian posted... Stupid shit ICE is doing like this certainly doesn't help https://www.npr.org/2019/11/29/783681028/an-elaborate-ice-sting-set-up-a-fake-college-to-lure-student-visa-fraud Yeah I was gonna post this too --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:931005479] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Ethosian posted... </cite> <quote>Stupid shit ICE is doing like this certainly doesn't help https://www.npr.org/2019/11/29/783681028/an-elaborate-ice-sting-set-up-a-fake-college-to-lure-student-visa-fraud</quote> Yeah I was gonna post this too </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/02/19 2:38:35 PM #20:	It doesnt help that american universities have 4 year degrees to get the same level of education other countries universities offer with 3 year degrees --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:931005609] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>It doesnt help that american universities have 4 year degrees to get the same level of education other countries universities offer with 3 year degrees</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 12/02/19 2:38:53 PM #21:	Questionmarktarius posted... ScazarMeltex posted... kirbymuncher posted... Bio1590 posted... New international student enrollments declined by 0.9% during the 2018-2019 academic year, following a 6.6% decline in new enrollments in the year prior seems like things are mostly already turning around? Unless I'm misreading this No it just means that things only declined by .9% from the already declined 6.6%. Note that this is only a "decline" in government-math. 100 showing up one year, 93 showing up the next year, and 92 the year after that is still a net increase of 285, give or take graduations and washouts. Absolutely, but in an economic system based "growth" a decline in growth is basically the end of the world. I've seen companies panic, cut benefits for employees, and close locations not because they weren't making a profit but because they didn't see a 5% growth over their profit from last year. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:931005617] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>New international student enrollments declined by 0.9% during the 2018-2019 academic year, following a 6.6% decline in new enrollments in the year prior</quote> seems like things are mostly already turning around? Unless I'm misreading this</quote> No it just means that things only declined by .9% from the already declined 6.6%.</quote> Note that this is only a "decline" in government-math. 100 showing up one year, 93 showing up the next year, and 92 the year after that is still a net increase of 285, give or take graduations and washouts.</quote> Absolutely, but in an economic system based "growth" a decline in growth is basically the end of the world. I've seen companies panic, cut benefits for employees, and close locations not because they weren't making a profit but because they didn't see a 5% growth over their profit from last year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 12/02/19 2:42:46 PM #22:	Those poor universities --- PSN: Jiek <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:931005785] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Those poor universities</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KobeSystem 12/02/19 2:46:01 PM #23:	Good Down with this bloated BS educational system tbh --- http://www.last.fm/user/KobeSystem92 \| https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/725087214401671170/02UGgybe_400x400.jpg WIN SEXANGELS GREATKERZ <cite>KobeSystem posted [p:931005909] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Good Down with this bloated BS educational system tbh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/02/19 2:50:16 PM #24:	Looks like some brainwashed Republicans came into this topic to praise this. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:931006096] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Looks like some brainwashed Republicans came into this topic to praise this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/02/19 2:54:22 PM #25:	ScazarMeltex posted... Absolutely, but in an economic system based "growth" a decline in growth is basically the end of the world. I've seen companies panic, cut benefits for employees, and close locations not because they weren't making a profit but because they didn't see a 5% growth over their profit from last year. That's what happens when you base your budgets on hope instead of actual numbers. We've learned *nothing* from Atari in 1983. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:931006258] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote>Absolutely, but in an economic system based "growth" a decline in growth is basically the end of the world. I've seen companies panic, cut benefits for employees, and close locations not because they weren't making a profit but because they didn't see a 5% growth over their profit from last year.</quote> That's what happens when you base your budgets on hope instead of actual numbers. We've learned nothing from Atari in 1983.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tony_Biggie_Pun 12/02/19 3:11:41 PM #26:	Education bubble about to burst. Good <cite>Tony_Biggie_Pun posted [p:931007034] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Education bubble about to burst. Good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 12/02/19 5:03:16 PM #27:	I feel like a lot of people are missing that it's not just the schools losing money --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:931011853] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>I feel like a lot of people are missing that it's not just the schools losing money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 12/02/19 5:07:16 PM #28:	Questionmarktarius posted... The Trump Administration has a different explanation for the lower enrollments. International students are discouraged by the high cost of US schools International students are significant to school budgets, as many colleges and universities collect higher tuition from them. hmmm.... This is accurate tho. I remember people were talking about going to (public) colleges in different states. Even I did. And no one said "don't be stupid, do you realize how much out-of-state tuition is?" --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:931012038] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><quote>The Trump Administration has a different explanation for the lower enrollments. International students are discouraged by the high cost of US schools</quote> <quote>International students are significant to school budgets, as many colleges and universities collect higher tuition from them.</quote> hmmm....</quote> This is accurate tho. I remember people were talking about going to (public) colleges in different states. Even I did. And no one said "don't be stupid, do you realize how much out-of-state tuition is?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 12/02/19 5:07:41 PM #29:	$11 billion over 3 years when yearly GDP is over $19 trillion is pretty insignificant tbqh. --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:931012054] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>$11 billion over 3 years when yearly GDP is over $19 trillion is pretty insignificant tbqh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
electricbugs2 12/02/19 5:10:42 PM #30:	Im moving to Tempe sometime next fall if everything checks out. Originally I looked into going to ASU as a Canadian International. The four year program I wanted to take is $150,000. Even if I hadnt bought my Audi or other extra curriculars, I would be nowhere close without major student loans, and the Canadian government considers me rich enough to pay rich people income tax. This doesnt surprise me one bit. If the 50th ranked school in the country costs that much imagine some of the big boys for a foreign student. --- Balenciaga hoodies and Gucci shoes #FreeMelly <cite>electricbugs2 posted [p:931012187] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Im moving to Tempe sometime next fall if everything checks out. Originally I looked into going to ASU as a Canadian International. The four year program I wanted to take is $150,000. Even if I hadnt bought my Audi or other extra curriculars, I would be nowhere close without major student loans, and the Canadian government considers me rich enough to pay rich people income tax. This doesnt surprise me one bit. If the 50th ranked school in the country costs that much imagine some of the big boys for a foreign student. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Catgirl Fondler 12/02/19 5:12:42 PM #31:	Don't blame them. Shit education with shit costs and rampant xenophobia? I would be ducking out and looking for somewhere else to enroll then the US as well. --- N/A <cite>The Catgirl Fondler posted [p:931012288] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Don't blame them. Shit education with shit costs and rampant xenophobia? I would be ducking out and looking for somewhere else to enroll then the US as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 12/02/19 5:15:26 PM #32:	How does the US have shit education lol --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:931012425] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>How does the US have shit education lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 12/02/19 5:59:41 PM #33:	I was literally just searching for universities to study my masters in, I just discarded every USA option without a second look lmao. --- The force is my ally "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:931014292] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>I was literally just searching for universities to study my masters in, I just discarded every USA option without a second look lmao.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamenRiderBlade 12/02/19 6:38:54 PM #35:	Rika_Furude posted... It doesnt help that american universities have 4 year degrees to get the same level of education other countries universities offer with 3 year degrees And is that 3 years for the core Major you're getting a degree in, or does that include UnderGrad General Education requirements? --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:931016044] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt help that american universities have 4 year degrees to get the same level of education other countries universities offer with 3 year degrees</quote> And is that 3 years for the core Major you're getting a degree in, or does that include UnderGrad General Education requirements?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
malenz 12/02/19 6:41:19 PM #36:	hmm I wonder why??? <cite>malenz posted [p:931016155] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>hmm I wonder why???</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 12/02/19 6:45:02 PM #37:	HellRatUFO posted... Damn_Underscore posted... How does the US have shit education lol We have a trash system that people wanna make worse by throwing their socialism into the fire by making college free for all. The United States throws more money at education than the next several nations combined while simultaneously doing worse in academics compared to other nations. The notion that education is underfunded in the United States is absolutely ridiculous. This answered the question, perhaps not in the way it was intended.... --- This is a mobile account, forgive any errors. ~DYL~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTEX3YdEi7s <cite>Umbreon posted [p:931016308] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>HellRatUFO posted...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>How does the US have shit education lol</quote> We have a trash system that people wanna make worse by throwing their socialism into the fire by making college free for all. The United States throws more money at education than the next several nations combined while simultaneously doing worse in academics compared to other nations. The notion that education is underfunded in the United States is absolutely ridiculous.</quote> This answered the question, perhaps not in the way it was intended....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flockaveli 12/02/19 6:45:14 PM #38:	Why don't you guys just try being poor? I pay maybe $500 a semester for books. Uncle Sam and White Guilt pays my tuition. --- I'm in Chicago, I'm shaking my head. <cite>Flockaveli posted [p:931016317] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Why don't you guys just try being poor? I pay maybe $500 a semester for books. Uncle Sam and White Guilt pays my tuition. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 12/02/19 6:47:00 PM #39:	Flockaveli posted... Why don't you guys just try being poor? I pay maybe $500 a semester for books. Uncle Sam and White Guilt pays my tuition. Shit, how do I get in on this. I'm poor as fuck and would have loved to not be in crippling debt! --- This is a mobile account, forgive any errors. ~DYL~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTEX3YdEi7s <cite>Umbreon posted [p:931016399] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Flockaveli posted...</cite> <quote>Why don't you guys just try being poor? I pay maybe $500 a semester for books. Uncle Sam and White Guilt pays my tuition. </quote> Shit, how do I get in on this. I'm poor as fuck and would have loved to not be in crippling debt!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 12/02/19 6:53:16 PM #40:	I worked in academia in the US for many years. I am certainly not in Trump's side or against immigrants (I am one), but they are exploiting foreign students to maximize profit at US universities. And state schools are not state government institutions, barely any of their budget comes from the state. Academia in the US has turned into a business. Professors teach less so they can bring in grants which the university takes most of and grad students, post-docs, and part-time lecturers teach the most and get paid less than the US median income (often making in the $20,000-30,000 range) despite working at allegedly premier universities teaching the majority of classes. They are expected to pass even failing students to facilitate continued income. Tuition keeps going up and most of it is dumped on foreign students who pay much more and are accepted not for their academic merits, but for their ability to pay, meaning your "diverse" international student body is basically just rich people's kids from other countries. US academia is broken and a disgusting shell of what it pretends to be. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:931016696] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>I worked in academia in the US for many years. I am certainly not in Trump's side or against immigrants (I am one), but they are exploiting foreign students to maximize profit at US universities. And state schools are not state government institutions, barely any of their budget comes from the state. Academia in the US has turned into a business. Professors teach less so they can bring in grants which the university takes most of and grad students, post-docs, and part-time lecturers teach the most and get paid less than the US median income (often making in the $20,000-30,000 range) despite working at allegedly premier universities teaching the majority of classes. They are expected to pass even failing students to facilitate continued income. Tuition keeps going up and most of it is dumped on foreign students who pay much more and are accepted not for their academic merits, but for their ability to pay, meaning your "diverse" international student body is basically just rich people's kids from other countries. US academia is broken and a disgusting shell of what it pretends to be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/02/19 10:24:13 PM #41:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Rika_Furude posted... It doesnt help that american universities have 4 year degrees to get the same level of education other countries universities offer with 3 year degrees And is that 3 years for the core Major you're getting a degree in, or does that include UnderGrad General Education requirements? Theres no "undergrad general education requirements" since thats a filler year, the fourth year, designed to screw students into more debt. Hence why our 3 year degrees are equivalent to a 4 year degree in the US. We dont have a filler year --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:931025874] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt help that american universities have 4 year degrees to get the same level of education other countries universities offer with 3 year degrees</quote> And is that 3 years for the core Major you're getting a degree in, or does that include UnderGrad General Education requirements?</quote> Theres no "undergrad general education requirements" since thats a filler year, the fourth year, designed to screw students into more debt. Hence why our 3 year degrees are equivalent to a 4 year degree in the US. We dont have a filler year</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 12/02/19 10:30:59 PM #42:	Reads about mass shootings occurring in what seems to be a weekly basis, in American schools Yes! I want to enroll there! --- Time is a funny thing. There is always too much of it, except when you need it the most. Then there is never enough. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:931026231] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Reads about mass shootings occurring in what seems to be a weekly basis, in American schools Yes! I want to enroll there!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BruceWayneJr 12/02/19 10:33:37 PM #43:	The right wing is getting exactly what they want: brain drain. --- Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. <cite>BruceWayneJr posted [p:931026374] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>The right wing is getting exactly what they want: brain drain. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inappropriate 12/02/19 10:34:41 PM #44:	Tony_Biggie_Pun posted... Education bubble about to burst. Good --- https://imgur.com/BJPyx https://imgur.com/udyoiry <cite>Inappropriate posted [p:931026436] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...</cite> <quote>Education bubble about to burst. Good </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 12/02/19 10:36:25 PM #45:	There's no reason to go to our schools. Pay out your ass for shit education and an increased chance to get shot up? Where do we sign up?! --- This is a mobile account, forgive any errors. ~DYL~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTEX3YdEi7s <cite>Umbreon posted [p:931026530] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>There's no reason to go to our schools. Pay out your ass for shit education and an increased chance to get shot up? Where do we sign up?!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 12/02/19 10:37:12 PM #46:	Rika_Furude posted... Theres no "undergrad general education requirements" since thats a filler year, the fourth year, designed to screw students into more debt. Hence why our 3 year degrees are equivalent to a 4 year degree in the US. We dont have a filler year Blame our University system for all "requiring" a UnderGrad minimum before getting into the core Major. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:931026574] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>Theres no "undergrad general education requirements" since thats a filler year, the fourth year, designed to screw students into more debt. Hence why our 3 year degrees are equivalent to a 4 year degree in the US. We dont have a filler year</quote> Blame our University system for all "requiring" a UnderGrad minimum before getting into the core Major.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 12/02/19 10:37:34 PM #47:	I thought this era of Conservatives don't care about education though? Betsy DeVos? --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:931026593] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>I thought this era of Conservatives don't care about education though? Betsy DeVos?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GodBlessAustin 12/02/19 10:39:15 PM #48:	The best way to get foreigners to pay for college is to give them free college. <cite>GodBlessAustin posted [p:931026683] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>The best way to get foreigners to pay for college is to give them free college.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/02/19 10:40:44 PM #49:	Rika_Furude posted... It doesnt help that american universities have 4 year degrees to get the same level of education other countries universities offer with 3 year degrees You can do it in 3 years if you want. Hell if you wanted to go to school year round you can complete 3 years worth of credits in a single year. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:931026759] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite> <quote>It doesnt help that american universities have 4 year degrees to get the same level of education other countries universities offer with 3 year degrees</quote>You can do it in 3 years if you want. Hell if you wanted to go to school year round you can complete 3 years worth of credits in a single year. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
malenz 12/02/19 10:42:36 PM #50:	GodBlessAustin posted... The best way to get foreigners to pay for college is to give them free college. and arrest them for it and make them rot for 4 years while their youth evaporates <cite>malenz posted [p:931026858] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>GodBlessAustin posted...</cite> <quote>The best way to get foreigners to pay for college is to give them free college.</quote> and arrest them for it and make them rot for 4 years while their youth evaporates</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 12/02/19 10:46:48 PM #51:	Betsy Devoss is destroying the public school system to keep Americans stupid she wants every school to be a charter one because she and her hubby make billions off of tem <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:931027071] in US economy... [t:78220030]...</cite> <quote>Betsy Devoss is destroying the public school system to keep Americans stupid she wants every school to be a charter one because she and her hubby make billions off of tem </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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