Current Events > "Stay hourly. Never go salary or they will abuse the fuck out of you"

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In my experience, this is not the case. Ever since I went salary, I get to leave early on Fridays without having to worry about making up my 40 hours. I can go to lunch not worrying about clocking in or out. They don't abuse you anymore than they already do.

Thoughts? Comments? Opinions?

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They abuse you more in food/retail IIRC
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KillerSlaw posted...

They abuse you more in food/retail IIRC

But don't they increase your pay significantly if they move you to salary in those fields?

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Veggeta X posted...

KillerSlaw posted...

They abuse you more in food/retail IIRC

But don't they increase your pay significantly if they move you to salary in those fields?

It looks like it, until you realize youre working 15 extra hours a week and basically making the same hourly wage, except now you cant say no to those additional hours

That being said, I still think salary>hourly but you do have to be careful with how your employer may treat you
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Veggeta X posted...

KillerSlaw posted...

They abuse you more in food/retail IIRC

But don't they increase your pay significantly if they move you to salary in those fields?

They do, but IIRC they expect you to be on call 24/7 which means you practically can't have a life outside of work.
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Veggeta X posted...

KillerSlaw posted...

They abuse you more in food/retail IIRC

But don't they increase your pay significantly if they move you to salary in those fields?

*shrug*

I'm sure the store manager made close to 6 figures where I worked, but department managers were making like 30k-60k tops, and they would work the dogshit out of them.
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It all depends on if it's a job where you work a lot of overtime or not

Work a lot of overtime? Hourly is better. Otherwise, salary is better.
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Veggeta X posted...

But don't they increase your pay significantly if they move you to salary in those fields?

Friend of mine is an assistant manager at a steakhouse chain. He works ungodly long days, is constantly understaffed, and is always being bitched at because their labour cost is so high. I have no idea what his salary is.

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KillerSlaw posted...

They abuse you more in food/retail IIRC

Wal-Mart especially.

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spanky1 posted...

It all depends on if it's a job where you work a lot of overtime or not

Work a lot of overtime? Hourly is better. Otherwise, salary is better.

DOn't you get taxed insanely more if you do a ton of overtime?

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Agreed. I'm a software dev on salary and its really chill. Take days off for free if you're sick, hour long lunches, leave work if you've done enough work, etc. Never had to do overtime yet either.
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Salary is the best

I showed up an hour late today because i had to drop my car off at the shop.

I'm getting picked up early because that's better for my ride's schedule.

The flexibility salary gives you amazing.
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I'm hourly, and while it's a decent job, because I'm also a contractor like nearly everyone else in our IT department, if I work over 8 hours a day, I actually don't get paid for it, not unless the overtime is approved well in advance. There have been times where I've had to stay over due to an issue or just needing/wanting to get something big done, and after 4:30pm hits, it's basically me working for free.

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pogo_rabid posted...

Salary is the best

I showed up an hour late today because i had to drop my car off at the shop.

I'm getting picked up early because that's better for my ride's schedule.

The flexibility salary gives you amazing.

Thats just something poor people say.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

I'm hourly, and while it's a decent job, because I'm also a contractor like nearly everyone else in our IT department, if I work over 8 hours a day, I actually don't get paid for it, not unless the overtime is approved well in advance. There have been times where I've had to stay over due to an issue or just needing/wanting to get something big done, and after 4:30pm hits, it's basically me working for free.

Contract work sucks. Get hired into a company, bro.

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Veggeta X posted...

spanky1 posted...

It all depends on if it's a job where you work a lot of overtime or not

Work a lot of overtime? Hourly is better. Otherwise, salary is better.

DOn't you get taxed insanely more if you do a ton of overtime?

If you get paid more, you get taxed more, sure. That's not a problem though. Doesn't have anything to due specifically with overtime either.
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I have a minimum salary I'm allowed to receive and am paid hourly, and overtime

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when i went salary it never affected my work load
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spudger posted...

when i went salary it never affected my work load

Same in fact my workload went down and my hours gotten less

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Salary is usually better. You're hard pressed to find a job that pays more than 40k/year on a 40hr work week. They exist, they're just usually skilled labor. Salary just pays more.

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I can say my nurse friends all prefer hourly over salary, but that's because they get plenty of overtime and are paid a high wage at time and a half.

My friend was offered a higher up job but doesn't want it, because the salary for it is just as much as their normal hourly wages for their regular amount of hours, just the position requires plenty of overtime, which doesn't pay any extra. So basically, shed be working the same amount of hours for way less money.

In some rare cases hourly is better than salary.
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I'm a system engineer and i prefer hourly. My OT is approved up to a certain point, my manager is in California and isn't a stickler for clocking in and out on time. The system admins are salaried and they just get worked to death. During projects it's brutal, the lead system admin is on call 24/7.

My pay is high, not as high as theirs but close enough. My benefits are the same, my work life balance is superior. I commute 10 minutes to work and leave at 3:30PM every day unless I want the overtime which I get paid for.

I could do salary if i got a 30K pay bump and an easier work environment.
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im with salary with paid ot and have no complaints at all...
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pogo_rabid posted...

The flexibility salary gives you amazing.

This. Some places work you like an hourly person but pay you like a salary person. These places should be avoided. A proper salary job lets you live your life without being chained to your desk all day.
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Depends on the job. My bro gets paid a flat $80K salary but works like 90-120 hour work weeks. I get almost the same but work no more than 60hours a week as by law.

21WIVES_CHILL posted...

Depends on the job. My bro gets paid a flat $80K salary but works like 90-120 hour work weeks. I get almost the same but work no more than 60hours a week as by law.

My fiancee is a lawyer, her hours border on human right violations. She's cried herself to sleep many times.
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21WIVES_CHILL posted...

Depends on the job. My bro gets paid a flat $80K salary but works like 90-120 hour work weeks. I get almost the same but work no more than 60hours a week as by law.

Fony posted...

21WIVES_CHILL posted...

Depends on the job. My bro gets paid a flat $80K salary but works like 90-120 hour work weeks. I get almost the same but work no more than 60hours a week as by law.

My fiancee is a lawyer, her hours border on human right violations. She's cried herself to sleep many times.

Places that do this type of stuff to people should be shut down and their CEO beheaded.
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Fony posted...

My fiancee is a lawyer, her hours border on human right violations. She's cried herself to sleep many times.

This is why I've never seen the appeal of these heavy hour careers like lawyer or surgeon. You'll stress yourself into an early grave.

On the flip side, my IT job pays handsomely, lets me work from home as much as I want, and on average I only do 20 hours of real work. The lower levels of IT really suck but the more specialized you become the less actual work you seem to do.
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Fony posted...

21WIVES_CHILL posted...

Depends on the job. My bro gets paid a flat $80K salary but works like 90-120 hour work weeks. I get almost the same but work no more than 60hours a week as by law.

My fiancee is a lawyer, her hours border on human right violations. She's cried herself to sleep many times.

i dont understand just taking it. to me thats literal insanity.
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spudger posted...

Fony posted...

21WIVES_CHILL posted...

Depends on the job. My bro gets paid a flat $80K salary but works like 90-120 hour work weeks. I get almost the same but work no more than 60hours a week as by law.

My fiancee is a lawyer, her hours border on human right violations. She's cried herself to sleep many times.

i dont understand just taking it. to me thats literal insanity.

she is looking for a job with the courts so she can work regular 9 to 5 hours.
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not in the USA, am salaried and can't complain

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If I'm bored, caffeinated and have nothing to come home to but the cats, give me that sweet holiday overtime.

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It depends on the company tbh.
At my last two jobs I'd routinely get told "go home, you're not being paid to be here" and it was salary.
The only time I did hourly we had a system were if you were asked to stay late you and the person who asked (supervisor/manager) would have both to sign a form saying what time you would work from (eg if you finished at 6pm and were to stay late, you'd start it at 6pm) and what time you were working until and if you went past that a new form would have to be made for the second set of hours.
Mostly so overtime was tracked properly but me and the one manager never used it since it'd be pretty much "BrutaI can you come in to work now? Yes it's your day off so you'll get triple no don't tell anyone you're working, okay thanks see you in ten minutes"
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One thing that always confuses me is salary is still paid by the hour and they still want you to fill out a timesheet even though everyone knows the timesheet gonna be utter bs.

By paid by the hour I mean you make certain amount per hour and you work 0 hours etc.

Mr_E_Man posted...

KillerSlaw posted...

They abuse you more in food/retail IIRC

Wal-Mart especially.

This. Stay away from management positions at Walmart.
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I actually dont know if im hourly or salary. On paper it looks like salary but if you work overtime you get more money if you call off (and dont use/have days) you get paid less so it feels just like a hourly job. Granted though if your relief shows up 5 minutes early constantly and you leave you get paid the same.
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pogo_rabid posted...

Salary is the best

I showed up an hour late today because i had to drop my car off at the shop.

I'm getting picked up early because that's better for my ride's schedule.

The flexibility salary gives you amazing.

This 100% as long as you're doing what's expected
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Bananana posted...

Veggeta X posted...

KillerSlaw posted...

They abuse you more in food/retail IIRC

But don't they increase your pay significantly if they move you to salary in those fields?

It looks like it, until you realize youre working 15 extra hours a week and basically making the same hourly wage, except now you cant say no to those additional hours

That being said, I still think salary>hourly but you do have to be careful with how your employer may treat you

Yup. Ive seen people do the math and they come out to like $12 an hour while their regular managers are making $13 or $14 with OT.

But it was always the people not getting a good bonus that were complaining.
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I'm paid hourly, but I just have to get 80 hours over a two week period. It doesn't really matter when I break that up or when I come in or anything (within reason of course).
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Being salary saved my ass today.

I'm working from home because my car is in the shop and my ride's car broke down.
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pogo_rabid posted...

Being salary saved my ass today.

I'm working from home because my car is in the shop and my ride's car broke down.

Benefits of being on salary.

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When I go salary, I'll make more on a slower job, but I'll also end up doing 23 12 hour days in a row on stuff that's nearly a major deadline like a substantial or a handover.

The life of a superintendent.
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The salary guys over here don't take their breaks or lunches and come in late but stay all day, but that's their fault.
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Having to occasionally work unpaid overtime in exchange for not having to be nitpicky as fuck for clock in / clock out times is worth it.

Go out to lunch and come back 10 minutes late?

\_()_/

Boss dismisses you early because he doesn't want to be there anymore either?

\_()_/


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I mean almost all salary people leave work on Fridays at noon or shortly after at my place. And they usually go straight to happy hour.

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Perascamin posted...

Salary is usually better. You're hard pressed to find a job that pays more than 40k/year on a 40hr work week. They exist, they're just usually skilled labor. Salary just pays more.

I make 58k hourly, assuming 40 hours which I'm not because I'm not full time
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