Current Events > South Park mocks trans athlete with a transphobic episode

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If this ep offended you then you completely missed the point and are ignorant.

Peaked at season 1.

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CyricZ posted...

I remember one time I was in an argument of some sort on the Politics board, and someone said "this is the kind of stuff liberals want" and posted a short video of PC Principal.

I helpfully pointed out that PC Principal is a fictional character, not someone real, and they said "yeah well there are probably liberals that want this".

I learned about this episode via a tweet by Hollywood Reporter. Like a fool I went to the comments, and while there were some replies that mentioned the difference between "punching up" and "punching down", far more comments said "South Park mocks everyone and by the way these people are freaks who need to be stopped".

Point is that this is the issue with punching down. Bad faith actors latch onto this shit, use it as ammo, and in a world where people are being murdered just for being trans, it seems myopic.

that's with anything. no matter what the issue, there are bad faith actors. doesn't mean we should empower them by letting their rhetoric be the default, though.

just start picking up on patterns between the genuine and disingenuous, and treat them accordingly. even if it's dismissing them completely.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

that's with anything. no matter what the issue, there are bad faith actors. doesn't mean we should empower them by letting their rhetoric be the default, though.

just start picking up on patterns between the genuine and disingenuous, and treat them accordingly. even if it's dismissing them completely.

I feel this is something that is lost on viewers of South Park, because everyone on that show is a bad faith operator. It's an entire world of bad faith operators.

CyricZ posted...

in a world where people are being murdered just for being trans, it seems myopic

I want to underline this point.

We all know that South Park's format is well-established, but is that a shield from criticism? Have they never made a bad episode? Have they been right every time on their message?

I'm not saying South Park can't do this. You actually can say whatever you want, offend who you wantif you have the courage to own it.

The question is, "Who do you want to offend? And, why?"

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They cant be right all the time when they contradict themselves like with Manbearpig
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CyricZ posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

that's with anything. no matter what the issue, there are bad faith actors. doesn't mean we should empower them by letting their rhetoric be the default, though.

just start picking up on patterns between the genuine and disingenuous, and treat them accordingly. even if it's dismissing them completely.

I feel this is something that is lost on viewers of South Park, because everyone on that show is a bad faith operator. It's an entire world of bad faith operators.

CyricZ posted...

in a world where people are being murdered just for being trans, it seems myopic

I want to underline this point.

We all know that South Park's format is well-established, but is that a shield from criticism? Have they never made a bad episode? Have they been right every time on their message?

I'm not saying South Park can't do this. You actually can say whatever you want, offend who you wantif you have the courage to own it.

The question is, "Who do you want to offend? And, why?"

It is unfortunate that some trans people in the real world are murdered for being trans, but that doesn't grant them immunity to joking mockery or ridicule.

Especially on topical subjects like trans athletes in sports.

BilalPowell posted...

They cant be right all the time when they contradict themselves like with Manbearpig

I thought they gave an apology episode to Gore for all that

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Bloodychess posted...

BilalPowell posted...

They cant be right all the time when they contradict themselves like with Manbearpig

I thought they gave an apology episode to Gore for all that

As I recall, they did.

Imagine being offended over South Park. Especially now. After all the Caitlyn Jenner episodes. You guys are just proving the episode incredibly accurate and correct.
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Buckle up, Buckaroo!
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Correct_Facts posted...

If you are born a gender and you die, and they find your bones hundreds of years later and test the DNA, you're going to be test as the gender you were born as. So you can identify how you want but in the end it still doesn't matter. Kind of the cruel joke on the trans community.

That is honestly a good point, I think you're the first to ever say that on CE.

Some may end up taking offense to that though (even though you're not trying to be offensive).

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All the dinosaurs identified as female. There were no male dinosaurs.
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Is this not what the show does ??, it makes fun of and mocks everything.
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South Park is a show where a Chef at an elementary school taught four kids that if they get a pig and an elephant drunk, that they'd make sweet love.

This same episode had bestiality.
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Thw drama this ep has caused has been pretty hilarious tbqh

Kaliesto posted...

Correct_Facts posted...

If you are born a gender and you die, and they find your bones hundreds of years later and test the DNA, you're going to be test as the gender you were born as. So you can identify how you want but in the end it still doesn't matter. Kind of the cruel joke on the trans community.

That is honestly a good point, I think you're the first to ever say that on CE.

Some may end up taking offense to that though (even though you're not trying to be offensive).

It's a fucking stupid point. They'd just say the body's sex was female. Nothing to do with their gender identity.
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Guide posted...

I haven't watched it, but it's South Park. They get free reign to bust literally everyone's balls.

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ASithLord7 posted...

Kaliesto posted...

Correct_Facts posted...

If you are born a gender and you die, and they find your bones hundreds of years later and test the DNA, you're going to be test as the gender you were born as. So you can identify how you want but in the end it still doesn't matter. Kind of the cruel joke on the trans community.

That is honestly a good point, I think you're the first to ever say that on CE.

Some may end up taking offense to that though (even though you're not trying to be offensive).

It's a fucking stupid point. They'd just say the body's sex was female. Nothing to do with their gender identity.

They'd say "this person was a man or a woman," actually. And that would be based solely on their biological sex at birth. That's exactly what we do now in Anthropology. No one gives a shit if pre-historic people were confused about their gender when scientists are classifying them.
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Admiral's right. We should treat people like objects instead of feeling and thinking creatures.

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I don't think Admiral meant it like that.

and holy shit your karma is through the roof these days. o_o

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How did I miss this topic, now I have to read through 7 pages

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Kaliesto posted...

I don't think Admiral meant it like that.

and holy shit your karma is through the roof these days. o_o

I know he didn't, but this whole tract of conflating dead bodies and gender identity is a useless exercise anyway.

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Let's acknowledge all of the conflating instead of just sometimes
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South Park has always been offensive including make light of rape and child murder.

free Hat!
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When I watch or hear about modern South Park I'm never sure if I'm just getting older and grumpier or the show changed, but I always think "Wow this sounds really try-hard and dumb"

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Good episode.

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GregShmedley posted...

Snip-N-Snails posted...

South Park has always been offensive including make light of rape and child murder.

Reminds me of the President Garrison rally where he's calling out the women for jumping ship because of his sexism and how they didn't care about the other shit.

Yep, on point.

https://youtu.be/URz-RYEOaig

so whats stopping men from pulling shit like that?

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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

free Hat!

Hat McCullough! Free at last
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