Current Events > Taylor Swift calls out Justin Bieber & Ariana Grandes shitty manager

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https://twitter.com/taylorswift13/status/1195123215657508867

Fuck Scooter.
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A real shitty situation for her with some really shitty timing.

Crazy that they can stop an artist from celebrating their own career.
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Yeah the music industry sucks. I dont think this is the first time she's had these issues either.
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Scooter Braun is already known as a piece of shit. So not surprised

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Scooter Braun is basically just excrement filling a skin suit.

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ugh taylor swift
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metallica846 posted...

Sounds like she signed something and it's biting her in the ass.

She signed with the label when she was 15 (or around that age)

After Reputation she signed with a new label who would allow her to own her masters for future albums

Her old label manager sold her old masters to Scooter Braun who is someone he knew she didn't want to work with

Now here we are
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metallica846 posted...

Darmik posted...

She signed with the label when she was 15 (or around that age)

After Reputation she signed with a new label who would allow her to own her masters for future albums

Her old label manager sold her old masters to Scooter Braun who is someone he knew she didn't want to work with

Now here we are

Did her old label manager offer to sell them to her. I bet they did.

Actually they didnt. It was a big part of why she was mad is she wasnt given the first offer to buy her catalog back

metallica846 posted...

Did her old label manager offer to sell them to her. I bet they did.

From what I understand she did try to buy them and they refused to sell.

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Compsognathus posted...

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From what I understand she did try to buy them and they refused to sell.

Yep. It's clear the guy was upset she left the label. She was the biggest artist there. Of course she would have bought them. It's significantly easier than dealing with this and re-recording them.
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How sad she sold her own songs rights to someone else

for MILLIONS of dollars

so sad
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Colorahdo posted...

How sad she sold her own songs rights to someone else

for MILLIONS of dollars

so sad

Lmao she never sold then dude

metallica846 posted...

Will the old masters be worth anything after she re-records them?

Her team could tell anyone playing the old masters that they won't get anything new if they play the old stuff. Actually now that I think about it. I'd be pissed if I owned some masters I paid good money for and the artist could make my investment worthless with a "re-recording."

Probably not which is why he shouldnt have sold them to her nemesis lol. If he sold them to like Sony or something she would be ticked but probably would have moved on

Taylor > Scooter

metallica846 posted...

Will the old masters be worth anything after she re-records them?

Her team could tell anyone playing the old masters that they won't get anything new if they play the old stuff. Actually now that I think about it. I'd be pissed if I owned some masters I paid good money for and the artist could make my investment worthless with a "re-recording."

I think that's her intention but it's going to be tough to basically reset everything. It includes old concerts and performances too. Also I'm sure some people will prefer the originals since that's what they know.
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metallica846 posted...

Lol what a moron. Taylor would have probably paid anything the guy asked.

Didn't care about money. Just wanted to screw her over because he had the power to. A real garbageove from a garbage person. He specifically chose her least favorite person on the planet.

I'm not a fan of Taylor Swift. But that doesn't mean what they did to her was okay. It was a garbage move.
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Colorahdo posted...

How sad she sold her own songs rights to someone else

for MILLIONS of dollars

so sad

No she didn't.
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This is what happens when you dont own your own music
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Halo478 posted...

This is what happens when you dont own your own music

Which is why she made the effort to own her music once she was established and successful enough to do so.

And this is still what happens when one of the most powerful women in the music industry doesn't bend over for her music label.
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Tay is bae. I wish I could help.
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metallica846 posted...

I'm gonna be real though. This is just not a big deal to me.

She has like $400 million dollars and is going to re-record her shit and make more money from it and her label is footing the bill for the new sessions. It just kinda sounds like a Veruca "I want it now!" thing when all she has to do is wait.

She's getting an artist of the decade award and she's banned from playing the majority of her own music for the event.

She has Netflix working on a documentary from her career and she is banned from using footage of her work.

Waiting isn't going to fix that.
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Carlyle Group? Now she is just on her Siemens Operatives BS
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It's not just the songs. It would be stuff like concert footage and the music clips.

Re-recordings won't magically fix those. Those are pretty major things for a music documentary to lack.

They only will let them use her music if she doesn't re-record them. She's not even ruling out paying them a licensing fee. But that's not an option either.
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metallica846 posted...

This is kind of going in circles. She is making a documentary with Netflix. She knew she didnt own the music that might be in it.

Does she think because she made plans that they would just go along with it? Kind of foolish on her and Netflix to assume so. And again, I have nothing against her. I

Go along with what? Licensing out the stuff they own? That's literally all they can do with it. But they're refusing to do license it out to the person who wrote and performed it.

Being told that they're not allowed to use old music and footage unless she cancels her plans to re-record her music and stops talking about the people who own it is a specific abuse of power that shouldn't exist and is an outright attack on the artist. It's not hard to understand.
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Shitty situation, but this is the music industry. She signed the contracts and reaped the benefits, but is now upset that it doesn't just go her way.
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metallica846 posted...

Darmik posted...

Go along with what?

Being told that they're not allowed to use old music and footage unless she cancels her plans to re-record her music and stops talking about the people who own it is a specific abuse of power that shouldn't exist and is an outright attack on the artist. It's not hard to understand.

No its not but you arent understanding. Its not an abuse of power. She doesnt OWN IT. She is taking the nuclear option and trying to force their hands.

Let me use your stuff.

Ok, but dont re-make our stuff.

No! Just let me use it, I wrote it!

Ok, well we own it so no thanks.

Thats whats happening.

This is a business deal. Taylor, Netflix and the VMA's aren't just asking to use the music for nothing. Like any other company/transaction they'll pay for the license to use the music.

But it's ridiculous she wrote and performed this music and she has absolutely no control over it.

It's not even that she just has to share a monetary cut with the label. She has no power at all. No input. Nothing. Scooter could exclusively license her music to the KKK and she can't do shit. Scooter isn't even the person she signed any deals with and he owns all of it. She had no input at all when her music was sold to someone else.

And this is Taylor Swift. Someone who signed with an up and coming label who had significantly more input over her career and work compared to the far majority of other artists. I don't think Big Machine Records would even exist in any relevant way without her.

The music industry is fucked up.
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Music industry is nauseatingly exploitative and the way rights to music is handled is fucking repugnant. The higher up you go, the grosser it gets, abd this is kinda the peak of it. These guys dont own shit, fuck em.
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metallica846 posted...

No its not but you arent understanding. Its not an abuse of power. She doesnt OWN IT. She is taking the nuclear option and trying to force their hands.

Let me use your stuff.

Ok, but dont re-make our stuff.

No! Just let me use it, I wrote it!

Ok, well we own it so no thanks.

Thats whats happening.

Taylor Swift has every right to "force the nuclear option". It isn't illegal or unethical. If she wants to flex some clout against Scooter she is free too.

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metallica846 posted...

I agree that its fucked up and I think they will find a common ground. Im guessing they want a lot and know that they have her over a barrel and she wont pay what they want. Thats just what it seems like. Its all about that money and thats it in this game.

Well, you're wrong. Scooter doesn't care about the money.
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Now that's a shoot

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The whole Michael Jackson/Beatles ownership dispute is famous too.

The fact that a company can just sell off someone's lifes work without their input will always be bullshit.
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metallica846 posted...

For sure. Jut like it isn't illegal or unethical to do what Scooter is doing. She is doing it knowing that she won't get the original stuff back and will have to work around it for her award and documentary. That's her choice.

One might argue that turning down a legit business use of Taylor's songs to spite her is at a minimum shitty, if not unethical.

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So it was pointed out that she's been performing her songs at other events with no issues up until now.

These two guys are specifically attempting to stop her VMA performance by using the 'no re-recording until 2020' clause despite the fact she has no intention of selling that performance.
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