Poll of the Day > Star Wars reimagined

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I guess this is a few months old but its a reimagining of one of the key scenes from A New Hope and its really impressive. Id be excited to see what these folks could do with a larger budget cause this is cooler than anything from an actual Star Wars film

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On its way to 10 million
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I mean, it's a cool re imagining of t hat fight but it's literally doing things that have already been done in the movies so...

Mead posted...

cause this is cooler than anything from an actual Star Wars film

nope.
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Hey, I know, let's imagine dragons and Be Legendary instead.
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I'm going with the Plinkett argument on this one - people who want lightsaber fights to be super-choreographed and whine about the fight in the original movie being "lame" sort of miss the entire point.

A fight between an old man and a broken down quadriplegic robot guy shouldn't look all that impressive. Especially if you assume half the fight is them trying to out-think and out-Force each other, which isn't really a visible thing.

I get more out of the fight in the original movie as-is than I do any of the fights in the prequels.

I'm not saying the original fight is perfect - but I think if you actually want to add to it and improve it, the answer isn't to dip into Stage Combat 201 for more advanced maneuvers, it's to expand the dialogue between the characters. Have them comment on their shared past. Have them mention how they're struggling against each other on levels beyond the physical. Have Obi-Wan express both guilt and regret, but also determination and condemnation of what Vader has become. Have Vader be somewhat mocking, casually trying to determine why Obi-Wan has finally chosen NOW as the time for their final battle, feeling out whether or not he might have an ulterior motive (which in turn sets in motion Vader's eventual discovery of Luke).

A lot of this is easy to rewrite in hindsight, though. Lucas couldn't really do all that much at the time, considering he didn't even know the backstory himself, and had no real idea he'd eventually make multiple prequel films (no matter how much he lies about it now). It wouldn't really be possible for him to elaborate on their interaction all that much... and even if he could have, he probably shouldn't have - it honestly would have drawn the focus away from the person who was supposed to be the main hero of the movie anyway. Obi-Wan is the mentor figure who exists to set the hero on the road to adventure, and then die so that the hero has to stand on their own. The story isn't really about him, or whatever relationship he might have once had with Vader. The prequels ruin that dynamic, but then again, the prequels are also terrible.
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Blah blah blah too many words PO

I just want Star Wars movies to suck less
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Mead posted...

I just want Star Wars movies to suck less

And I'm suggesting this would just make them suck more.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Mead posted...

I just want Star Wars movies to suck less

And I'm suggesting this would just make them suck more.

Did you actually watch the video? Theres a lot more gravity to the action than anything from the prequels and it really does feel personal

Having them go on and on about how they are fighting each other in ways that are invisible to the viewer does not sound entertaining in the slightest
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

who want lightsaber fights to be super-choreographed

I always feel like the super choreographed fights look weird because there's no real desperation. You're fighting to extend the scene to a certain point. Like in a real fight for your life fight you aren't going to try to purposefully male contact with their blade you're going to go for the body if possible.

Mead posted...

Did you actually watch the video? Theres a lot more gravity to the action than anything from the prequels and it really does feel personal

Yes, but almost the entirety of the gravity comes from elements that were in the original film, not added by the re-edit/new elements. What WAS added definitely feels like "We should make the fight look more like the fights in the prequels".

And if someone says "This should be more like the prequels", in almost any context, that person is objectively wrong.



Mead posted...

Having them go on and on about how they are fighting each other in ways that are invisible to the viewer does not sound entertaining in the slightest

I'm not saying the entirety of their dialogue has to be an elaborate description of mind combat or invisible telekinetic slapfighting. But even a single throwaway line establishing that they're NOT just swordfighting, but are theoretically using the Force against each other in subtle ways kind of undercuts the "Hey, why are they just sort of standing there and occasionally making tiny little feints?" complaint people have about that scene.

What I'm basically saying is that increasing the physicality of that scene doesn't make the scene better. Increasing the emotional context of that scene could, but that's extremely hard to do. And no, simply overlaying a couple voice lines from the prequels to simulate "flashback" doesn't do it, because the prequels essentially failed to earn that emotionality in every way. If the prequels don't make me care about the "friendship" between Anakin and Obi-Wan, you can't really evoke that response by referencing the prequels.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

What WAS added definitely feels like "We should make the fight look more like the fights in the prequels".

I dont think we watched the same prequels
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I prefer the fights where the 3rd or 4th guy stops mid swing because he realizes that he will hit the hero and that can't happen so they play it off like it was intentional.
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Someone pls explain this to a non Star Wars fan
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A part of me doesnt like the altering of the traditional scene, but after watching it 2-3 times, I think that it adds a lot more than it hurts the scene. Vader should be dominant over Obiwan in this fight, and the original scene mostly plays on that through their dialogue. This scene helps hammer it home that Vader is on a higher level than Obiwan, and if a scene like this had been possible in the original movie, it woulda helped build the menacing threat about Vader more so than was already in place.
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FatalAccident posted...

Someone pls explain this to a non Star Wars fan

They just recreated a scene from one of the old movies with some different film techniques and more action

The original film isnt bad but Id enjoy seeing a new Star Wars film with these kind of sensibilities. The original films are entertaining but a lot of the time characters are just having two dimensional arguments about good vs evil and the prequels had characters bouncing around in action scenes like a kid playing with action figures.

This seems like it would be a lot more fun to watch, to me at least.
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From an action POV, it's a good remake of the scene except Star Wars isn't an action film, it's an exposition on society.
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argonautweakend posted...

I always feel like the super choreographed fights look weird because there's no real desperation. You're fighting to extend the scene to a certain point. Like in a real fight for your life fight you aren't going to try to purposefully male contact with their blade you're going to go for the body if possible.

this is why most combat trained professions laugh their asses off at stage fighting

the last thing you wanna do is clash your blades together, because that ruins the blade
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