Current Events > Elizabeth Warren surges and Joe Biden fades

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solosnake posted...

Okay, any evidence at all. Like I said, I hope Trump is gone as much as anyone, but I am not delusional. Also I dont hurl insults to people just because they point out that dems dont have a good candidate even though they have had 4 years now. It makes me upset too, but Im not gonna get mad at someone for pointing out the obvious lol.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/
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shockthemonkey posted...

solosnake posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

solosnake posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

And again, youre basing this on...?

And again, what are you basing your thoughts of her or Bernie or fucking Biden actually having a shot of beating Trump? Cause I havent seen any evidence that any of them stand a chance. Mostly just wishful thinking

Ok youre just rambling like a morning drunk

Ok, so you just HOPE that one of these 70+ year old democratic candidate will end up beating Trump, and refuse to provide any reasonable evidence that any single persona actually stands a chance against Trump. Instead you just hurl insults

So you gonna explain your reasoning or just gonna keep drinking?

So you are pretty sure that one of these candidates is gonna be able to beat Trump? What is your reasoning behind that, beside just HOPE? Let me guess you are just gonna throw some other insult and try and get me to talk about trump when really this topic is about how pathetic the dems are. I DONT EVEN LIKE TRUMP. Get that through your head.

People have been trying to destroy Trump for 4 years now, and he hasnt been touched. These 3 old fucks that either lost last election or nobody has ever heard of dont stand a chance lol.
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solosnake posted...

even though they have had 4 years now.

Crowning a nominee 4 years ahead of time is what the Dems did last time

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Doom_Art posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

I'm ready for 4 years of Warren.

*8 years of Warren

*8 years of racism

solosnake posted...

People have been trying to destroy Trump for 4 years now, and he hasnt been touched

He has a 40 percent approval rating. Say what you will about Sanders, Biden, or Warren, none of them are as unpopular as Hillary, and only one of them has as of now some sort of investigation hanging over their heads like she did.
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shockthemonkey posted...

solosnake posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

solosnake posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

solosnake posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

And again, youre basing this on...?

And again, what are you basing your thoughts of her or Bernie or fucking Biden actually having a shot of beating Trump? Cause I havent seen any evidence that any of them stand a chance. Mostly just wishful thinking

Ok youre just rambling like a morning drunk

Ok, so you just HOPE that one of these 70+ year old democratic candidate will end up beating Trump, and refuse to provide any reasonable evidence that any single persona actually stands a chance against Trump. Instead you just hurl insults

So you gonna explain your reasoning or just gonna keep drinking?

So you are pretty sure that one of these candidates is gonna be able to beat Trump? What is your reasoning behind that, beside just HOPE? Let me guess you are just gonna thow some other insult and try and get me to talk about trump when really this topic is about how pathetic the dems are. I DONT EVEN LIKE TRUMP. Get that through your head.

People have been trying to destroy Trump for 4 years now, and he hasnt been touched. These 3 old fucks that either lost last election or nobody has ever heard of dont stand a chance lol.

Literally all Im doing is asking you to justify your rants

I havent ranted at all. All I have said is the 3 leading Dem candidates dont stand a chance. I have asked you to explain why you believe they do. You refuse to aknowledge the question. I have already told you why I feel they dont stand a chance. Now its your turn to explain why you believe they can win
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Antifar posted...

solosnake posted...

People have been trying to destroy Trump for 4 years now, and he hasnt been touched

He has a 40 percent approval rating. Say what you will about Sanders, Biden, or Warren, none of them are as unpopular as Hillary, and only one of them has as of now some sort of investigation hanging over their heads like she did.

Trump supporters are never gonna vote for a democrat. So thats what 40% right there. Trump only needs like 5% of the remaining votes to win. Sad, but true.
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TC, I gave you evidence in post 51 that people currently prefer Warren, Biden, and Sanders to Trump.
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Anteaterking posted...

TC, I gave you evidence in post 51 that people currently prefer Warren, Biden, and Sanders to Trump.

Just like how the polls said Hillary was guaranteed to win, right?
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This guy is starting to lose it
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Duncanwii posted...

solosnake posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/21/politics/iowa-poll-2020-democrats/index.html

Welp.

You guys ready for four more years of Trump?

The country wont survive 4 more years of Trump.

We weren't supposed to survive the first 4 years? We're doing more than fine? Negative much? Crybaby much?
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shockthemonkey posted...

solosnake posted...

Anteaterking posted...

TC, I gave you evidence in post 51 that people currently prefer Warren, Biden, and Sanders to Trump.

Just like how the polls said Hillary was guaranteed to win, right?

So is that your basis for assuming no one can beat Trump? Or is it something else that you wont explain?

I have already explained myself. And I had already had you tagged as "flame" from something before, so I am probably just gonna start ignoring you since you dont really have anything to say.
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Garreyn posted...

We weren't supposed to survive the first 4 years? We're doing more than fine? Negative much? Crybaby much?

This

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Garreyn posted...

Duncanwii posted...

solosnake posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/21/politics/iowa-poll-2020-democrats/index.html

Welp.

You guys ready for four more years of Trump?

The country wont survive 4 more years of Trump.

We weren't supposed to survive the first 4 years? We're doing more than fine? Negative much? Crybaby much?

You cant even suggest that Trump has a chance of winning or people throw a fit lol. Its pathetic.
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people that were confident about Hillary last time seem to be confident about Biden

I think we should do the opposite of what they think and push for Warren
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ThyCorndog posted...

people that were confident about Hillary last time seem to be confident about Biden

I think we should do the opposite of what they think and push for Warren

I agree out of the 3 Warren is probably the best shot, but I dont think its a very good one. Its just disappointing that for how much everyone dislikes Trump these are the best 3 candidates we got.

Its disheartening.
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solosnake posted...

Just like how the polls said Hillary was guaranteed to win, right?

So when you say "any evidence", you did actually have things in mind that you were and weren't going to accept.

So what kind of evidence are you actually willing to accept?
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Bernie better get the nomination. He's the only D frontrunner who is serious about climate change.

Fuck Biden and fuck Warren.
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^ Warren has a plan for climate change

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Doom_Art posted...

And then NH, and the NV

If Biden can't do well in IA, NH, or NV then that sucks a lot of life out of his campaign.

I mean the supposed frontrunner either barely winning or losing the first few contests is historically kinda not great

Then he gets 60% of the vote in South Carolina, and Alabama, and Mississippi, and Georgia, because OBAMA!!!! Did everyone forget how 2016 played out?

And then Trump beats him in the general election, and keeps America great.
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Doom_Art posted...

^ Warren has a plan for climate change

It's a joke of a plan. $2.7 trillion over 15 years vs Bernie's $16 trillion over 10 years.
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As one of this board's loudest Bernie supporters in 2016, good
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Alpha218 posted...

Anyone who says this has no idea how polls work

The polls merely predicted the chance Trump and Hillary had to win the race. While his chance was much lower, that didn't mean the polls said he was going to lose.

The polls at the last few days, DID say he was going to lose. Then blue wave this and blue wave that and this wall here, cracking this state here and all of that other shit in between and after...

Fucking Trump is president. Fuck a poll.

Honestly, I think people are just scared to go against trump and his billions. Nobody is clean enough that they dont have dirt on them.
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RebelElite791 posted...

I'm ready for 4 years of Warren.

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solosnake posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/21/politics/iowa-poll-2020-democrats/index.html

Welp.

You guys ready for four more years of Trump?

She has a better chance to beat Trump then Biden. Less likely to say something stupid.
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As a tangent, I am not sure why people expect the government to fix the environment. They barely know how to run a country, you think they have the knowledge to reverse what has been inflicted over the last 120 years?
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TC still living in a world where Republicans didn't bleed support like a fucking sieve in the steadily Republican suburbs as evidented in 2018. Or in a world where 2016 came down to 3 states that were extremely close in an election where a large chunk of the Democratic voters simply didn't vote for Hillary due to both her unpopularity within the party and the shenanigans by the DNC in a highly antagonistic primary season.

Seriously, Biden/Warren/Sanders are not nearly as unpopular as Hillary was within the party and without voters who normally would vote for the Democratic nominee either not voting, or voting for 3rd party or writing in most likely Bernie, then Trump doesn't win. He got fucking less voting share than Romney in these swing states. And likewise he has done nothing to expand his support base since coming into office.

Don't get me wrong, 2020 will be close again, but to scream and troll that "HURR HILLARY WILL DO BETTER THAN ANY OF THESE PEOPLE!" is based on nothing at all, and no one has shown any thing to show otherwise.

It's like the midterms didn't happen for a lot of you people lmao
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Agnostic420 posted...

Anyone quoting polls after last election just needs to stop or get their memory jogged. These polls are egregious and dont mean shit.

How do you know they are egregious if they don't mean shit?
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

TC still living in a world where Republicans didn't bleed support like a fucking sieve in the steadily Republican suburbs as evidented in 2018. Or in a world where 2016 came down to 3 states that were extremely close in an election where a large chunk of the Democratic voters simply didn't vote for Hillary due to both her unpopularity within the party and the shenanigans by the DNC in a highly antagonistic primary season.

Seriously, Biden/Warren/Sanders are not nearly as unpopular as Hillary was within the party and without voters who normally would vote for the Democratic nominee either not voting, or voting for 3rd party or writing in most likely Bernie, then Trump doesn't win. He got fucking less voting share than Romney in these swing states. And likewise he has done nothing to expand his support base since coming into office.

Don't get me wrong, 2020 will be close again, but to scream and troll that "HURR HILLARY WILL DO BETTER THAN ANY OF THESE PEOPLE!" is based on nothing at all, and no one has shown any thing to show otherwise.

It's like the midterms didn't happen for a lot of you people lmao

Exactly. Hillary was hugely unlikable, and yet she got more votes than Trump and only lost because she didn't campaign enough in three states. Everyone in the Democratic primary is more likable than Hillary and almost as qualified, and Trump is less popular than he was in 2016.

It's not a lock by any means, but the Dems have a real chance at unseating him.

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It's sad to see so many people in the US supporting Warren and Sanders. Socialism has failed miserably everywhere it's been tried in the history of the world.

Trump may be a mediocre president, but man he looks good compared to the current democratic candidates.

jumi posted...

Hillary was hugely unlikable

She's wasn't just unlikeable. She massacred voter enthusiasm when she fixed the DNC superdelegates. Despite the record high turnout there were probably even more still who stayed home because of what she did.


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CrestedTax posted...

It's sad to see so many people in the US supporting Warren and Sanders. Socialism has failed miserably everywhere it's been tried in the history of the world.

Trump may be a mediocre president, but man he looks good compared to the current democratic candidates.

I'll call the Nordic countries and let them know they failed.

nb4 "That's Democratic socialism!"

nb4 "That's what Sanders is."

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jumi posted...

I'll call the Nordic countries and let them know they failed.

nb4 "That's Democratic socialism!"

nb4 "That's what Sanders is."

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CrestedTax posted...

It's sad to see so many people in the US supporting Warren and Sanders. Socialism has failed miserably everywhere it's been tried in the history of the world.

Trump may be a mediocre president, but man he looks good compared to the current democratic candidates.

Trump is by far the worst President in American history and most CEmen would be better Presidents.
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008Zulu posted...

As a tangent, I am not sure why people expect the government to fix the environment.

Probably because they're the only ones who can.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Trump is by far the worst President in American history and most CEmen would be better Presidents.

Sad but true

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Tyranthraxus posted...

jumi posted...

I'll call the Nordic countries and let them know they failed.

nb4 "That's Democratic socialism!"

nb4 "That's what Sanders is."

Lol I knew what this would be before clicking on it. Still perfectly accurate
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hockeybub89 posted...

Trump is by far the worst President in American history and most CEmen would be better Presidents.

A sentient rock would be a better president.

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jumi posted...

CrestedTax posted...

It's sad to see so many people in the US supporting Warren and Sanders. Socialism has failed miserably everywhere it's been tried in the history of the world.

Trump may be a mediocre president, but man he looks good compared to the current democratic candidates.

I'll call the Nordic countries and let them know they failed.

nb4 "That's Democratic socialism!"

nb4 "That's what Sanders is."

First of all, the nordic countries have been succesful before they even adopted welfare policies. Second, to suggest they are socialist countries is absurd. They are among the countries with the most economic freedom in the world, and are based on a highly free market system, which is the exact opposite of what socialism is. Just to give you an idea, there is no minimum wage there.

Lastly, if you think Warren and Sanders want America to be more like the nordic countries, you must be extremely naive. Just by listening to them, one can tell those guys want to control and regulate basically everything (aka true socialism).

CrestedTax posted...

jumi posted...

CrestedTax posted...

It's sad to see so many people in the US supporting Warren and Sanders. Socialism has failed miserably everywhere it's been tried in the history of the world.

Trump may be a mediocre president, but man he looks good compared to the current democratic candidates.

I'll call the Nordic countries and let them know they failed.

nb4 "That's Democratic socialism!"

nb4 "That's what Sanders is."

First of all, the nordic countries have been succesful before they even adopted welfare policies. Second, to suggest they are socialist countries is absurd. They are among the countries with the most economic freedom in the world, and are based on a highly free market system, which is the exact opposite of what socialism is. Just to give you an idea, there is no minimum wage there.

Lastly, if you think Warren and Sanders want America to be more like the nordic countries, you must be extremely naive. Just by listening to them, one can tell those guys want to control and regulate basically everything (aka true socialism).

1. The US has been successful before adopting welfare policies.
2. https://jacobinmag.com/2018/06/regulation-economic-freedom-index-scandinavia
3. They don't need a minimum wage when they have strong unions.
4. interesting definition of socialism, but here's the actual definition: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
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jumi posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Trump is by far the worst President in American history and most CEmen would be better Presidents.

A sentient rock would be a better president.

A regular old nonsentient rock, even
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

CrestedTax posted...

jumi posted...

CrestedTax posted...

It's sad to see so many people in the US supporting Warren and Sanders. Socialism has failed miserably everywhere it's been tried in the history of the world.

Trump may be a mediocre president, but man he looks good compared to the current democratic candidates.

I'll call the Nordic countries and let them know they failed.

nb4 "That's Democratic socialism!"

nb4 "That's what Sanders is."

First of all, the nordic countries have been succesful before they even adopted welfare policies. Second, to suggest they are socialist countries is absurd. They are among the countries with the most economic freedom in the world, and are based on a highly free market system, which is the exact opposite of what socialism is. Just to give you an idea, there is no minimum wage there.

Lastly, if you think Warren and Sanders want America to be more like the nordic countries, you must be extremely naive. Just by listening to them, one can tell those guys want to control and regulate basically everything (aka true socialism).

1. The US has been successful before adopting welfare policies.
2. https://jacobinmag.com/2018/06/regulation-economic-freedom-index-scandinavia
3. They don't need a minimum wage when they have strong unions.
4. interesting definition of socialism, but here's the actual definition: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

1. Exactly. Thank you for pointing that out.

2. No idea what you're trying to prove here. I also can provide random links about anything.

3. So? Warren and Sanders are in favor of a minimum wage and also in favor of increasing it.

4. That's the same definition I'm referring to. That form of social organization goes directly against a free market system.