Current Events > Couple refuse to divulge baby's gender to protect it from 'unconscious bias'

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UnfairRepresent
09/17/19 9:03:59 PM
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Hobbit Humphrey and Jake England-Johns have revealed that theyre not revealing the gender of their baby.

They are so protective over Anoushs gender that they did not even tell the 17-month-olds grandparents.The parents, circus performers and members of Extinction Rebellion living on a houseboat near Bath, use gender-neutral pronouns they and them and dress Anoush in both boys and girls clothes.

Hobbit and Jake said that they took the decision not to reveal their babys identity because they dont want people treating them differently. Instead Anoush, whose name was changed to Charlie, will be able to chose their own gender and pronouns when theyre older.

Hobbit said: So much of gender bias is unconscious. When I got pregnant we then were having a discussion about how we were going to mitigate the unconscious bias. And we figured that the only way we could do that was just not to tell people.

"To use the they/them pronoun for as long as we can, and create this little bubble for our baby to be who they are. Eventually they will get told by somebody that pink is only for girls and blue is only for boys, and you cant play with that because you are a particular sex. Thats still a thing that happens these days. Were just trying to protect Anoush from that. Jake said: Gender neutral refers to us trying to behave neutrally towards the child, rather than trying to make them neutral.

Were not trying to make them be anything. We just want them to be themselves. Hobbits mum Camille, 64, said: It was a struggle, but as with any learning over time it became embedded and they became they.

Jake added: We are quite good now at holding space for peoples discomfort in us saying, Actually, we dont tell anyone, were not telling anyone for now. Were just letting Anoush be a baby. Anoush is the most lovely little human. Theyre into everything, theyre really active just a delight.

Hobbit said: It was tricky at first when not only were we new parents, but also new parents who had the problem of people getting upset about our baby being gender neutral.

But in the end it has proven to be a really beautiful thing and weve had a lot of important conversations from it. It has had the effect we wanted, of letting our baby develop its own interests regardless of gender. So, for example, while they love having a dolls tea party every morning, they also are really fascinated by motorbikes and machinery. Eventually once our baby is old enough, they can obviously decide for themselves what gender they want to be, but for now we just want them to be able to grow up in their own little bubble.


Full Article: https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/17/couple-hide-babys-gender-protect-unconscious-bias-10755560/

5GVso4d

I'm old enough to remember when this was a joke in Monty Python's Meaning of Life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcHdF1eHhgc" data-time="&start=225

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HasaDiga
09/17/19 9:04:49 PM
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So do they hang a purple thing on the hospital door saying "It's a person"?
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pls
09/17/19 9:05:05 PM
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Child Services should take that child and those parents should be imprisoned for child abuse.

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UnfairRepresent
09/17/19 9:06:02 PM
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pls posted...
Child Services should take that child and those parents should be imprisoned for child abuse.

That's a little extreme don't you think?
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pls
09/17/19 9:07:11 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
That's a little extreme don't you think?


No

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IHeartRadiation
09/17/19 9:14:39 PM
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They're right about the toys and clothing color thing but what they're trying is completely useless and all that is going to happen is people still start talking behind their back.
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Hanky_Bannister
09/17/19 9:17:02 PM
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pls posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
That's a little extreme don't you think?


No

thank god you have no authority over anything
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pls
09/17/19 9:18:02 PM
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Hanky_Bannister posted...
thank god you have no authority over anything


That you know of

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UnfairRepresent
09/17/19 9:18:31 PM
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pls posted...
Hanky_Bannister posted...
thank god you have no authority over anything


That you know of

Wait a second...

Are you Mike Pence?
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Watershed
09/17/19 9:19:21 PM
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LordFarquad1312
09/17/19 9:20:05 PM
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That should be considered child abuse.
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TiamatNM
09/17/19 9:21:34 PM
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High level wokeness
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Hanky_Bannister
09/17/19 9:21:52 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
pls posted...
Hanky_Bannister posted...
thank god you have no authority over anything


That you know of

Wait a second...

Are you Mike Pence?

mike pence would be a ceman...smh
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Vicious_Dios
09/17/19 9:22:35 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
That should be considered child abuse.

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Crazyman93
09/17/19 9:23:18 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
That should be considered child abuse.

Yeah, didn't something like this happen before and it fucked the kid up?
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pls
09/17/19 9:24:00 PM
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Vicious_Dios posted...
LordFarquad1312 posted...
That should be considered child abuse.



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pogo_rabid
09/17/19 9:24:22 PM
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they live on a house boat. They're already suspect
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Lairen
09/17/19 9:26:43 PM
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Some kid will cough in their childs general direction and theyll break down into tears.
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ColdOne666
09/17/19 9:26:44 PM
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pls posted...
Child Services should take that child and those parents should be imprisoned for child abuse.

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Abiz_
09/17/19 9:27:22 PM
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Crazyman93 posted...
Yeah, didn't something like this happen before and it fucked the kid up?
This guy got screw over in life right from the start. Botched circumcision.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
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gloBal enemy
09/17/19 9:27:24 PM
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The irony in this is that the parents have now created deliberate bias of judgment of the parents instead.

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DevsBro
09/17/19 9:29:41 PM
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5GVso4d

That is totally a dudebaby.
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lightwarrior78
09/17/19 9:31:05 PM
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I can't wait for time to play out on some of this. Kids rebel hard enough by being pushed into careers, sports, or music. Let's see the rebellion from kids being forced into various sexual identities and woke ideals.
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UnfairRepresent
09/17/19 9:37:29 PM
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gloBal enemy posted...
The irony in this is that the parents have now created deliberate bias of judgment of the parents instead.

I don't think that bothers them

They are grown developed adults.

Their concern is over a developing baby having assumptions and roles placed on it
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Blackstar110
09/17/19 9:38:28 PM
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Hobbit Humphrey

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Gamerguymass
09/17/19 9:40:31 PM
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lightwarrior78 posted...
I can't wait for time to play out on some of this. Kids rebel hard enough by being pushed into careers, sports, or music. Let's see the rebellion from kids being forced into various sexual identities and woke ideals.


I don't know how old the father is, but the article said the mother is 64. Assuming the father is of a similar age then it's most likely the parents will be dead before the kid even becomes old enough for the rebellion phase.

I'm with others though, it's child abuse and these people are morons. And I'm not from the UK so I can say whatever I want about them without the UK Gestapo threatening to jail me for calling a moron a moron on the internet.
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Abiz_
09/17/19 9:40:33 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Their concern is over a developing baby having assumptions and roles placed on it
The kid is going to have those things placed on it either way. If they are picky enough. The kid will be the odd one out that gets excluded. What is the worse thing you can do to a prisoner? Solitary.
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Skye Reynolds
09/17/19 9:41:21 PM
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Because thinking of a baby as an "it" has no bias.
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Watershed
09/17/19 9:42:46 PM
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DevsBro posted...
5GVso4d

That is totally a dudebaby.


*Toddlerself
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Darmik
09/17/19 9:43:00 PM
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Circua performers who live in a house boat. I think this kid is going to have a quirky life regardless.

Looks like a boy tbh

Spooking posted...
Parents: Let's make life harder for our child!


The baby is in its own bubble and doesn't care.
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CapnMuffin
09/17/19 9:46:41 PM
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When does the child get to choose? Because I imagine school will have to force a sudden decision?
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UnfairRepresent
09/17/19 9:46:58 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Because thinking of a baby as an "it" has no bias.

"it" was my wording.
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WashYourHands
09/17/19 9:48:58 PM
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Hobbit..... Jake...... which one is the mom?

Oh... Hobbit....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPJ9J-6vDw" data-time="

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marc55
09/17/19 9:50:45 PM
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so they are experimenting with their child to see if they can turn him into a non binary ?
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toyota
09/17/19 9:51:16 PM
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so in other words if its a boy they will purposefully raise it more feminine and if its a girl they would purposefully raise it mroe masculine.

Why do people keep overthinking this gender shit anyways
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Darmik
09/17/19 9:53:16 PM
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CapnMuffin posted...
When does the child get to choose? Because I imagine school will have to force a sudden decision?


Article doesn't say. Probably because people can assume it will keep happening when the kid goes to school which means there can be more outrage.

The couple does mention growing up in a bubble so I'm guessing that bubble can't exist unless they're home schooled.
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Prismsblade
09/17/19 9:54:42 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
pls posted...
Child Services should take that child and those parents should be imprisoned for child abuse.

That's a little extreme don't you think?

It should be up their with parents naming their child a stupid name at the least.
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Ryuko_Chan
09/18/19 2:36:09 AM
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@Watershed what do you want
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shnangyboos
09/18/19 2:41:26 AM
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The way these fuckers are trying to blur the line between gender and sex is dumbfounding. Babies don't have a gender identity.

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TreyFlowers
09/18/19 2:44:46 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Hobbit Humphrey

circus performers

members of Extinction Rebellion

living on a houseboat


fucking psychos
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AuroraUnit836
09/18/19 3:10:31 AM
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100% agre with them
girls and boys are only different biologically but every other difference is due to socialization. no point in treating people different for having different genitalia

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Nightmare_Luna
09/18/19 3:20:24 AM
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Blackstar110 posted...
Hobbit Humphrey

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vigorm0rtis
09/18/19 3:23:07 AM
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Ok.
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HylianFox
09/18/19 3:29:18 AM
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TreyFlowers posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Hobbit Humphrey

circus performers

members of Extinction Rebellion

living on a houseboat


really, this whole thing seems very fake
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09/18/19 3:49:02 AM
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Bass_X0
09/18/19 3:51:32 AM
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Spooking posted...
When being a LotR fan goes too far.


Maybe it was her parents who named her?

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Ilishe
09/18/19 3:57:46 AM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
That should be considered child abuse.


No, not even close.

But it's extremely abnormal parenting. They're conducting a little social experiment on their own child.
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