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This is a bad topic.
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If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.
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vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

How many people have you known that committed suicide? Zero? Yeah, shut your fucking mouth.

DDirtyDastard posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

How many people have you known that committed suicide? Zero? Yeah, shut your fucking mouth.

Three. Try to keep up, princess.
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She agrees with me politically so don't criticize her or you uh *rolls dice* hate women.
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Yall dudes are so weird
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Hoo boy.
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vigorm0rtis posted...

DDirtyDastard posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

How many people have you known that committed suicide? Zero? Yeah, shut your fucking mouth.

Three. Try to keep up, princess.

Read it again. How many have you KNOWN? You clearly were a huge help.

She didn't drive anyone to suicide. An abusive piece of shit killed himself, big fucking deal.

friendbuddypal posted...

She agrees with me politically so don't criticize her or you uh *rolls dice* hate women.

I mean... she's a shitheel, but do I actually hold her responsible? No. That dude was grown. He made the choice. This is just a bunch of incels trying to create a culture of victimhood.
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p-m posted...

She didn't drive anyone to suicide. An abusive piece of shit killed himself, big fucking deal.

Hmm, were any of her allegations proven?
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Already this is a fucking topic.
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DDirtyDastard posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

DDirtyDastard posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

How many people have you known that committed suicide? Zero? Yeah, shut your fucking mouth.

Three. Try to keep up, princess.

Read it again. How many have you KNOWN? You clearly were a huge help.

At this point I'm just gonna assume you can't read.
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vigorm0rtis posted...

DDirtyDastard posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

DDirtyDastard posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

How many people have you known that committed suicide? Zero? Yeah, shut your fucking mouth.

Three. Try to keep up, princess.

Read it again. How many have you KNOWN? You clearly were a huge help.

At this point I'm just gonna assume you can't read.

Clearly I can. Your assumption is false. But it's a fact you're an asshole.

vigorm0rtis posted...

friendbuddypal posted...

She agrees with me politically so don't criticize her or you uh *rolls dice* hate women.

I mean... she's a shitheel, but do I actually hold her responsible? No. That dude was grown. He made the choice. This is just a bunch of incels trying to create a culture of victimhood.

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DDirtyDastard posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

DDirtyDastard posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

DDirtyDastard posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

How many people have you known that committed suicide? Zero? Yeah, shut your fucking mouth.

Three. Try to keep up, princess.

Read it again. How many have you KNOWN? You clearly were a huge help.

At this point I'm just gonna assume you can't read.

Clearly I can. Your assumption is false. But it's a fact you're an asshole.

Read your original post. Clearly you think you said something you didn't. It's alright, pumpkin.

You're right about something, though. I am an asshole.
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vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

What a cold callous thing to say.
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My main beef with this whole shit show is this: before he died, did you know about Alec Holowka? Or did you only start martyring him after his death because of the controversial figure attached to the circumstances?

I find it hard to believe that these critics actually give a shit about the man, or his grieving family. Because - as I've stated several times in topics like these - Alec Holowka's sister released a statement asking people not to attack anyone. The exact quote from his sister:

And in case its not already fucking obvious, Alec *specifically said* he wished the best for Zo and everyone else, so dont use our grief as an excuse to harass people.

But no, it's about exposing the real monster. It's about punishing wrongdoing, and getting justice for a slain man who lost himself to his demons through the machinations of some evil she-bitch. It's another excuse to go through this Gamergate horse shit again, to chase down the same person as last time for some morally righteous cause. It's not about the dead man - it's about blacklisting Zoe Quinn, again.

People have gone out of their way to poke holes in this one particular story, when a multitude of people - including Alec's family, and his co-workers at Infinite Fall - have alluded to multiple people having gone through abuse at Alec's hand. And funnily enough, those same people who were close to him also acknowledge that he was a deeply troubled person with a lot of potential, who even with his faults will be missed. When just about every comment raging on about this treats his death with a generic little "RIP" before blasting Zoe Quinn at full force. This isn't about Alec, and it's disgusting.

This news affected me in particular because I finished up my playthrough of Night in the Woods in July. I spent about a month listening to the OST that Alec composed, and then he was dead. So right out of the gate, I felt bad for the guy and his family. I reflected on his work, and how strange it was to have been so enamored with the music he produced in such a short time before his death. I adored that game, and the death of the game's main composer and programmer was a massive body-blow.

No-one here talked about Night in the Woods in the wake of his death. No-one talked about how much they cared about his work, or reflected a whole lot on him. From day fucking dot, two weeks ago, this discourse has been about a bunch of opportunists crawling out of the woodwork to continue the fight against someone they already fucking hated. Disregarding the words of his family to spread vile rhetoric about Zoe Quinn murdering a man and getting away with it.

I don't know enough about Zoe Quinn to speak for her character, but I will say that I don't see a thread like this and think it's doing Alec Holowka or his family any justice. If you cared about this man and his family, you would stop using his death to bombard the internet with abuse. You know, like his grieving family wanted.

Can you prove me wrong? Do you have anything of substance to say about this dead person, that doesn't specifically tie into Bad Video Game Woman and this extreme rhetoric of her "murdering" him?

Or is this just another case of "Zoe Quinn Bad" that flared up after a man's tragic suicide, with you martyring him in a misguided attempt at retribution at a controversial figure on the internet?

Because from where I stand, I don't think a whole lot of people on this bandwagon ever gave much of a fuck about Alec Holowka.

Inb4 your "tldr" and "ok" comments. I wouldn't expect anything more from the sort of people driving this man's death into the ground against the wishes of his friends, family and co-workers.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

What a cold callous thing to say.

Maybe, but it's true. In much the same way alcoholics are "driven" to drink, if the seed's not already there, it won't happen. These aren't character flaws, they're just parts of individuals.
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This is a really fucking disgusting topic even by CE standards. Fucking hell.
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I'm not sure I understand, is someone paying me to talk other people in to killing themselves?
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MrMallard posted...

Can you prove me wrong? Do you have anything of substance to say about this dead person, that doesn't specifically tie into Bad Video Game Woman and this extreme rhetoric of her "murdering" him?

I find this statement particularly powerful because so much of the accusatory focus is about "where's the proof that man did bad thing", and yet it's so easy for these people to similarly believe "woman did bad thing" instead.
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Call me crazy but if I'm ever a victim of physical/sexual abuse, my first instinct is to go to the police, not post on fucking twitter
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brotrrwinner posted...

Call me crazy but if I'm ever a victim of physical/sexual abuse, my first instinct is to go to the police, not post on fucking twitter

You're a man.
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CyricZ posted...

MrMallard posted...

Can you prove me wrong? Do you have anything of substance to say about this dead person, that doesn't specifically tie into Bad Video Game Woman and this extreme rhetoric of her "murdering" him?

I find this statement particularly powerful because so much of the accusatory focus is about "where's the proof that man did bad thing", and yet it's so easy for these people to similarly believe "woman did bad thing" instead.

Fucking this^^^^^
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CyricZ posted...

MrMallard posted...

Can you prove me wrong? Do you have anything of substance to say about this dead person, that doesn't specifically tie into Bad Video Game Woman and this extreme rhetoric of her "murdering" him?

I find this statement particularly powerful because so much of the accusatory focus is about "where's the proof that man did bad thing", and yet it's so easy for these people to similarly believe "woman did bad thing" instead.

Holy reductionism.
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CyricZ posted...

brotrrwinner posted...

Call me crazy but if I'm ever a victim of physical/sexual abuse, my first instinct is to go to the police, not post on fucking twitter

You're a man.

Did you just assume my gender?
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brotrrwinner posted...

CyricZ posted...

brotrrwinner posted...

Call me crazy but if I'm ever a victim of physical/sexual abuse, my first instinct is to go to the police, not post on fucking twitter

You're a man.

Did you just assume my gender?

It wasn't an assumption nor a guess.
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CyricZ posted...

brotrrwinner posted...

CyricZ posted...

brotrrwinner posted...

Call me crazy but if I'm ever a victim of physical/sexual abuse, my first instinct is to go to the police, not post on fucking twitter

You're a man.

Did you just assume my gender?

It wasn't an assumption nor a guess.

Hey just a heads up but thats typically used as a transphobic dog whistle not an actual accusation
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I think cyric is well aware
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Good to see the trend of "going with something without evidence" is still going strong
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brotrrwinner posted...

Good to see the trend of "going with something without evidence" is still going strong

A train you are driving.
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Topic's not good
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vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

What the fuck is this post?

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smoke_break posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

What the fuck is this post?

Gamefaqs' logic: this topic = bad. Posts like that one = fine
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Zoey Quinn takes food from the freezer section, changes her mind and just sets it anywhere in the store.

Zoey Quinn resizes people's windows when she's showing them how to do something on a PC.

Zoey Quinn rubbernecks on the freeway.

Zoey Quinn poaches elephants and doesn't even take the ivory.

Zoey Qunn bought hundreds of Turbo Man action figures and didn't even scalp them.

Zoey Quinn kicks over sand castles at the beach.
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vigorm0rtis posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

What a cold callous thing to say.

Maybe, but it's true. In much the same way alcoholics are "driven" to drink, if the seed's not already there, it won't happen. These aren't character flaws, they're just parts of individuals.

As someone that has attempted suicide, I know from experience that the actions of others can push you over the edge. The way people treat you when you are in that head space can have a very detrimental effect on your mental health and can make that decision even more enticing. I'm not saying that someone pushing a person over the edge makes the suicide or the attempt their fault, because a mentally healthy person wouldn't be driven to suicide in the same situation but to say that a person can't be driven to suicide by the actions of other is flat out wrong.
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CyricZ posted...

MrMallard posted...

Can you prove me wrong? Do you have anything of substance to say about this dead person, that doesn't specifically tie into Bad Video Game Woman and this extreme rhetoric of her "murdering" him?

I find this statement particularly powerful because so much of the accusatory focus is about "where's the proof that man did bad thing", and yet it's so easy for these people to similarly believe "woman did bad thing" instead.

There are tweets, made by her, that completely contradict the story she tells in those allegations. She has had a history of people accusing her of being manipulative and taking advantage of them for a profit. Literally GamerGate kicked off because of an ex accusing her of manipulating him and people for her own benefit. She is a master manipulator and swindler and the whole thing shows how gaming journalists are morally bankrupt when it comes to journalistic integrity. I don't understand how you guys don't default to brokering a sale for a salt mine when taking her words. How? HOW?
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DevsBro posted...

Zoey Quinn takes food from the freezer section, changes her mind and just sets it anywhere in the store.

Zoey Quinn resizes people's windows when she's showing them how to do something on a PC.

Zoey Quinn rubbernecks on the freeway.

Zoey Quinn poaches elephants and doesn't even take the ivory.

Zoey Qunn bought hundreds of Turbo Man action figures and didn't even scalp them.

Zoey Quinn kicks over sand castles at the beach.

What do those claims and the claim that Alex abused Zoe have in common? the amount of evidence supporting it
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MrMallard posted...

My main beef with this whole shit show is this: before he died, did you know about Alec Holowka? Or did you only start martyring him after his death because of the controversial figure attached to the circumstances?

I find it hard to believe that these critics actually give a shit about the man, or his grieving family. Because - as I've stated several times in topics like these - Alec Holowka's sister released a statement asking people not to attack anyone. The exact quote from his sister:

And in case its not already fucking obvious, Alec *specifically said* he wished the best for Zo and everyone else, so dont use our grief as an excuse to harass people.

But no, it's about exposing the real monster. It's about punishing wrongdoing, and getting justice for a slain man who lost himself to his demons through the machinations of some evil she-bitch. It's another excuse to go through this Gamergate horse shit again, to chase down the same person as last time for some morally righteous cause. It's not about the dead man - it's about blacklisting Zoe Quinn, again.

People have gone out of their way to poke holes in this one particular story, when a multitude of people - including Alec's family, and his co-workers at Infinite Fall - have alluded to multiple people having gone through abuse at Alec's hand. And funnily enough, those same people who were close to him also acknowledge that he was a deeply troubled person with a lot of potential, who even with his faults will be missed. When just about every comment raging on about this treats his death with a generic little "RIP" before blasting Zoe Quinn at full force. This isn't about Alec, and it's disgusting.

This news affected me in particular because I finished up my playthrough of Night in the Woods in July. I spent about a month listening to the OST that Alec composed, and then he was dead. So right out of the gate, I felt bad for the guy and his family. I reflected on his work, and how strange it was to have been so enamored with the music he produced in such a short time before his death. I adored that game, and the death of the game's main composer and programmer was a massive body-blow.

No-one here talked about Night in the Woods in the wake of his death. No-one talked about how much they cared about his work, or reflected a whole lot on him. From day fucking dot, two weeks ago, this discourse has been about a bunch of opportunists crawling out of the woodwork to continue the fight against someone they already fucking hated. Disregarding the words of his family to spread vile rhetoric about Zoe Quinn murdering a man and getting away with it.

I don't know enough about Zoe Quinn to speak for her character, but I will say that I don't see a thread like this and think it's doing Alec Holowka or his family any justice. If you cared about this man and his family, you would stop using his death to bombard the internet with abuse. You know, like his grieving family wanted.

Can you prove me wrong? Do you have anything of substance to say about this dead person, that doesn't specifically tie into Bad Video Game Woman and this extreme rhetoric of her "murdering" him?

Or is this just another case of "Zoe Quinn Bad" that flared up after a man's tragic suicide, with you martyring him in a misguided attempt at retribution at a controversial figure on the internet?

Because from where I stand, I don't think a whole lot of people on this bandwagon ever gave much of a fuck about Alec Holowka.

Inb4 your "tldr" and "ok" comments. I wouldn't expect anything more from the sort of people driving this man's death into the ground against the wishes of his friends, family and co-workers.

/topic
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

What a cold callous thing to say.

Maybe, but it's true. In much the same way alcoholics are "driven" to drink, if the seed's not already there, it won't happen. These aren't character flaws, they're just parts of individuals.

As someone that has attempted suicide, I know from experience that the actions of others can push you over the edge. The way people treat you when you are in that head space can have a very detrimental effect on your mental health and can make that decision even more enticing. I'm not saying that someone pushing a person over the edge makes the suicide or the attempt their fault, because a mentally healthy person wouldn't be driven to suicide in the same situation but to say that a person can't be driven to suicide by the actions of other is flat out wrong.

Whatever. As an alcoholic that doesn't practice anymore, "I know from experience that the actions of others can push you over the edge," but that doesn't absolve me of the decisions I made.
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vigorm0rtis posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

vigorm0rtis posted...

If someone can be driven to suicide they were gonna get there on their own anyway.

What a cold callous thing to say.

Maybe, but it's true. In much the same way alcoholics are "driven" to drink, if the seed's not already there, it won't happen. These aren't character flaws, they're just parts of individuals.

As someone that has attempted suicide, I know from experience that the actions of others can push you over the edge. The way people treat you when you are in that head space can have a very detrimental effect on your mental health and can make that decision even more enticing. I'm not saying that someone pushing a person over the edge makes the suicide or the attempt their fault, because a mentally healthy person wouldn't be driven to suicide in the same situation but to say that a person can't be driven to suicide by the actions of other is flat out wrong.

Whatever. As an alcoholic that doesn't practice anymore, "I know from experience that the actions of others can push you over the edge," but that doesn't absolve me of the decisions I made.

I never said it did, nor do I believe it should, but your "whatever" says all it needs to about the kind of person you are so have a nice day.
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friendbuddypal posted...

She agrees with me politically so don't criticize her or you uh *rolls dice* hate women.

Accusing someone of killing someone is quite the criticism
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Hey remember when Gamergaters started that whole lie with the explicit intent of trying to get Zoe Quinn to kill herself. Interesting that those same people are now blaming her for this
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This like an uber service for people jumping off bridges?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I never said it did, nor do I believe it should, but your "whatever" says all it needs to about the kind of person you are so have a nice day.

On the contrary, that's exactly what you said, but it seems you don't like taking responsibility for your words, either.
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i don't get it.

is zoe quinn a garbage person or not?
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brotrrwinner posted...

Call me crazy but if I'm ever a victim of physical/sexual abuse, my first instinct is to go to the police, not post on fucking twitter

Dont bother. There are some really dumb people on CE. Simple logic is too much for them to grasp.
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