Poll of the Day > hey, British potders

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What is happening with your government today?

Reddit is going nuts but I dont entirely understand. Does this mean you all are gonna elect a new PM now?

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The voters voted for Brexit, and its not being honored by the government. And anyone who tries to twist it and say otherwise is lying.

BeerOnTap posted...

The voters voted for Brexit, and its not being honored by the government. And anyone who tries to twist it and say otherwise is lying.

yes i'm sure thats whats happening. Not at all that a corrupt asshole is ruining our country.
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The whole situations dumber than when Donald Trump stared into the sun during the eclipse.
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Zangulus posted...

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

The whole situations dumber than when Donald Trump stared into the sun during the eclipse.

I mean, this right here.

The main reason they want a revote is because people thought it was so dumb it would never pass, so they didnt vote.

and they lied.
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BeerOnTap posted...

The voters voted for Brexit, and its not being honored by the government. And anyone who tries to twist it and say otherwise is lying.

Basically. This whole brexit shit is just that. As for what happens today? A load of nothing. The original brexit vote should stand and go through. I'm tired of folk demanding retakes when it doesn't go their way. The general British public voted out so out we go.

Edit: Also Zang is raging again. He isn't even British. Must be drunk.
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wwinterj25 posted...

BeerOnTap posted...

The voters voted for Brexit, and its not being honored by the government. And anyone who tries to twist it and say otherwise is lying.

Basically. This whole brexit shit is just that. As for what happens today? A load of nothing. The original brexit vote should stand and go through. I'm tired of folk demanding retakes when it doesn't go their way. The general British public voted out so out we go.

Edit: Also Zang is raging again. He isn't even British. Must be drunk.

you don't work or do anything so i don't see why it would affect you anyway
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TheWitchMorgana posted...

you don't work or do anything so i don't see why it would affect you anyway

Yes because brexit only effects the working folk of the UK.
Edit: Your not wrong though. I don't really give a shit about politics. I'm just tired of hearing all the moaning.
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well, people who contribute to society, yeah
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TheWitchMorgana posted...

well, people who contribute to society, yeah

I see. Please tell me more about what doesn't and does effect my life from a Canadians point of view.
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Given the consequences of leaving the EU what harm is there in having a second public vote on the matter? If it really is what the British people want the results should be roughly the same

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... because that's not how voting works. When you don't get the result you want you don't demand a retake or at least that's how it should be.
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wwinterj25 posted...

... because that's not how voting works. When you don't get the result you want you don't demand a retake or at least that's how it should be.

In a democracy though if the majority feel a certain way what harm is there in holding another vote? It really seems like a lot of people in England dont want to leave the EU, it was foolish for them not to vote if thats the case, but is it really worth throwing the country into turmoil just to belligerently insist that the original results must be followed?

I remember shortly after the vote was held there were even people saying they voted for brexit but only because they never thought it would actually pass

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Mead posted...

In a democracy though if the majority feel a certain way what harm is there in holding another vote?

.... because we have already voted out. Having another makes the first pointless and if it went to out again some folk would want another retake. It never ends.

Mead posted...

It really seems like a lot of people in England dont want to leave the EU

Most folk actually want out as the votes reflect. Scare mongering and the like though may change that and that's probably why the government want a retake. Let's not pretend any of this is for the British public because it isn't.

Mead posted...

I remember shortly after the vote was held there were even people saying they voted for brexit but only because they never thought it would actually pass

I only picked the lotto numbers last week because I thought they wouldn't get picked. Imagine my shock when they did! Shame I never put on the ticket though.
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Most folk actually want out as the votes reflect.

One vote did in 2016

that doesnt mean the same results would happen today. Again I really dont see the harm in having one more vote just to make sure it really is what the British people want given what is at stake. If the second vote shows that the people are on board for brexit then that just reaffirms the decision and makes it less controversial

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Mead posted...

One vote did in 2016

... and we still haven't left. At the end of the day it's pointless debating this. Even more so with a American. I don't follow politics or care about them enough to give a compelling argument.

Zangulus posted...

When the bias is so strong you can't even read plain text without assigning something to it that isn't even remotely there.

Calm down man. It was just a assumption. Shesh.
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Today it is even more confusing

Whether they leave or not I hope they get things sorted out

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

Zangulus posted...

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

The whole situations dumber than when Donald Trump stared into the sun during the eclipse.

I mean, this right here.

The main reason they want a revote is because people thought it was so dumb it would never pass, so they didnt vote.

and they lied.

I love that kimbo got his very own trump.
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EvilMegas posted...

Kimbos_Egg posted...

Zangulus posted...

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

The whole situations dumber than when Donald Trump stared into the sun during the eclipse.

I mean, this right here.

The main reason they want a revote is because people thought it was so dumb it would never pass, so they didnt vote.

and they lied.

I love that kimbo got his very own trump.

its more like 15 trumps, and non of them became pm
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wwinterj25 posted...

... because that's not how voting works. When you don't get the result you want you don't demand a retake or at least that's how it should be.

I think the issue with this kind of thing is that "democracy" doesn't have a solution for what to do when a country is split over an issue. a vote resulting in 51.4% for, 48.1% against doesn't mean that the country is firmly decided on the issue, it means the opposite. a result that isn't significantly towards one side or the other shouldn't count or something. (though an additional problem is that in this case, one of the options is essentially "do nothing", so if the vote doesn't count, it's the same as choosing stay.)
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Theres also the issue that theres factual evidence that Russia meddled with that vote as well in 2016

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Remember when democrats gained a majority so Trump threw a fit and declared a national emergency after doing nothing for 2 years? That's basically what happened in Britain.
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Sahuagin posted...

I think the issue with this kind of thing is that "democracy" doesn't have a solution for what to do when a country is split over an issue. a vote resulting in 51.4% for, 48.1% against doesn't mean that the country is firmly decided on the issue, it means the opposite.

It means the majority vote wins. As I said before the ones wanting a revote are the ones who didn't want out in the first place and now they make up any shit they can to get the votes in their favour. The truth is we were never going to leave it in the first place because the goverment doesn't want that. You can bet your ass if a revote is done and it was voted to stay in that would be the end of this shithsow. No more revotes.

Mead posted...

Theres also the issue that theres factual evidence that Russia meddled with that vote as well in 2016

I'm P sure Batman is a real person too. Although I expected a bigger conspiracy theory than that.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I'm P sure Batman is a real person too.

Sounds like your mind is made up already

but

https://wapo.st/2POu44V

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-email-trail-how-arron-banks-and-andy-wigmore-were-cultivated-fg7tjd87l

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/08/revealed-leaveeu-campaign-met-russian-officials-as-many-as-11-times

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/10/24/mps-order-facebook-hand-evidence-russian-election-meddling/

https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/FinalRR.pdf


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Both sides lied during the campaign kimbo

Two mistakes were made tho. The very first mistake is what got us here in the first place - David Cameron adding Brexit referendum to his election manifesto in order to keep potential Conservative voters going to UKIP. Aside from UKIP, a fringe party, nobody was actually asking for an exit from the European Union before 2016. David Cameron only promised a Brexit referendum because it looked like UKIP were going to take some of his partys votes in the next election. When it really comes down to it, the %age of conservative voters who were going to vote UKIP (whose only selling point was Brexit referendum) was so minimal there was no need to add that to his election manifesto. Yeah he would have potentially lost a seat or two to UKIP (who cares) but ultimately Conservatives would have won the election again. Camerons ego is what brought about Brexit referendum in the first place, nobody was really asking for it.

The second mistake people made was thinking that Brexit is so ridiculous nobody would actually vote for it, so they stayed away and didnt vote. Ultimately what led to Brexit was Camerons ego and peoples complacency. People thought that anybody who votes will generally vote for the status quo so they didnt vote.

tl;dr Brexit is a mess. Were only here cause of Camerons ego and because the general voting public got complacent.

People dont actually realise how far reaching the consequences are. Its no exaggeration to say this could bring about the breakup of the United Kingdom with Scotlands SNP foaming at the mouth to have another referendum to leave the UK so they can join the EU. There are no tangible benefits anybody has been able to give for leaving the EU, and the fact that BoJo wants to leave without a deal is shocking
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wwinterj25 posted...

Sahuagin posted...

I think the issue with this kind of thing is that "democracy" doesn't have a solution for what to do when a country is split over an issue. a vote resulting in 51.4% for, 48.1% against doesn't mean that the country is firmly decided on the issue, it means the opposite.

It means the majority vote wins. As I said before the ones wanting a revote are the ones who didn't want out in the first place and now they make up any shit they can to get the votes in their favour. The truth is we were never going to leave it in the first place because the goverment doesn't want that. You can bet your ass if a revote is done and it was voted to stay in that would be the end of this shithsow. No more revotes.

Mead posted...

Theres also the issue that theres factual evidence that Russia meddled with that vote as well in 2016

I'm P sure Batman is a real person too. Although I expected a bigger conspiracy theory than that.

Winter saying 52% vs 48% simply means majority wins is a very lazy way of looking at things. What it actually means is the country is divided, and the opinion of the 52 matters just as much as that of the 48. Whichever way you look at it, the result was a 50/50 split, you cant tell me that the opinion of the other 50% doesnt matter just cause its the way our voting system is set up. What it really shows is the system is broken, especially when theres evidence that there was misinformation spread throughout the campaign (on both sides by both campaigns) but more worryingly by foreign governments in favour of the leave side. And if youre refusing to acknowledge Russia meddled in the election then thats more lazy thinking. Brexit is far from straightforward.

I personally wanted to remain cause I couldnt see any tangible benefits for leaving, all I could see was negatives. The 350m a week to the NHS or whatever figure turned out to be BS. All I see is tarriffs imposed on trade which means my fruit and veg is gonna cost me more, my holidays arent gonna be as straight forward cause Ill need to apply for and pay for visas, buying a BMW or an Audi will cost me more cause theyre gonna impose tariffs on goods as well if we leave on WTO terms, my university would lose out on research grants from the European Union meaning a lot of the projects we would have got involved in wont have funding, my brother in laws employer will potentially lose out on the ability to tender for public sector projects in the EU. Not to mention stopping free movement of labour means my employer no longer has the benefit of European construction workers meaning a slowdown in production.

All negatives, dont see any positives that outweigh that. Brexit is a fucking mess.
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So, it's kimbos fault?
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FatalAccident posted...

Winter saying 52% vs 48% simply means majority wins is a very lazy way of looking at things.

It is because I simply don't care about politics enough. I'm sure I've already made that clear. Also everyone who are into politics always act like a expect so their political views are all that matters and it amounts to nothing but a shitshow disusing these things.
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People that know details always act like they know so much more than me

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Mead posted...

People that know details always act like they know so much more than me

Not my point but nice try.

wwinterj25 posted...

Also everyone who is into politics always act like a expect

Learn to read.
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always act like a expect

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wwinterj25 posted...

FatalAccident posted...

Winter saying 52% vs 48% simply means majority wins is a very lazy way of looking at things.

It is because I simply don't care about politics enough. I'm sure I've already made that clear. Also everyone who is into politics always act like a expect so their political views are all that matters and it amounts to nothing but a shitshow disusing these things.

Brexit is not just about politics though, and you dont need to like or understand politics to understand its impact on your life or how its been mismanaged. I cant stand politicians or politics in general but the facts are there. Mostly cos everything everywhere has been about nothing but Brexit since 2016. I cant actually remember a time I tuned into the radio and they werent talking Brexit
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FatalAccident posted...

Brexit is not just about politics though, and you dont need to like or understand politics to understand its impact on your life or how its been mismanaged.

Are you one of those people who cry when folk don't vote and act like the none voters are the biggest problem because reasons? Seems like you are.

I simply have no real interest in anything like this because we get shafted whatever the case by the government so at this point folk are just debating how hard they want to be shafted by the government. Ah well. It's amusing to see folk get hot and bothered about these things though. Even more so when they are from another country.

Mead posted...

Expert obv.
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I have no interest in this subject now excuse me while I keep arguing about it

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This isn't a argument though.
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The only way I think they should do a revote, is if they first held a "should we do a revote on brexit" vote and it passed. Otherwise I'll agree with Winter in that you shouldn't just be revoting on something that has passed and not gone through yet, just because it's not overwhelmingly positive. I wouldn't like the precedent of revoting until one side gets their desired outcome.
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dragon504 posted...

Otherwise I'll agree with Winter in that you shouldn't just be revoting on something that has passed and not gone through yet, just because it's not overwhelmingly positive. I wouldn't like the precedent of revoting until one side gets their desired outcome.

Sums it up. Makes voting even more pointless if they are just going to have retakes until they get what they want. They meaning the government obviously.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Sums it up. Makes voting even more pointless if they are just going to have retakes until they get what they want. They meaning the government obviously.

Youre ignoring a ton of extenuating circumstances about this measure though

When things change, why shouldnt people have the option to democratically change course if thats what the people want?

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Mead posted...

When things change, why shouldnt people have the option to democratically change course if thats what the people want?

... but they already did and the vote said out. Although as I said "the people" really don't get to decide anything.
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wwinterj25 posted...

FatalAccident posted...

Brexit is not just about politics though, and you dont need to like or understand politics to understand its impact on your life or how its been mismanaged.

Are you one of those people who cry when folk don't vote and act like the none voters are the biggest problem because reasons? Seems like you are.

I simply have no real interest in anything like this because we get shafted whatever the case by the government so at this point folk are just debating how hard they want to be shafted by the government. Ah well. It's amusing to see folk get hot and bothered about these things though. Even more so when they are from another country.

Mead posted...

Expert obv.

Lol nobody is crying about anything. You just seem adamant to simplify the entire Brexit. Like I said Brexit is complex, I havent said those who didnt vote were the only problem. They were a big part of the problem, and this happens all the time and not just with a referendum. I live in a 100% safe labour seat in London, almost everyone I know doesnt vote cos Labour always gets in. I moved to Sevenoaks for two years and never voted there cos its a seriously safe Conservative seat so whoever you support generally Conservative will always win. People across the country who wanted to remain applied the same logic and reasoning expecting the general population to wanna retain the status quo, because thats what were used to doing. The only problem with that is they underestimated how fervent the leave movement was and we ended up where we are now.

So those who didnt vote are actually part of the problem, its not really arguable. But the fact is there are so many other reasons leave won - both legitimate and illegitimate.

Ive never talked to you before but youre showing some real lazy thinking if youre just gonna throw your hands up and say eh idc about politics and the government is just gonna fuck us whatever happens. If you didnt vote and youre taking offence to me saying non-voters are part of the problem then thats on you. But you cant refuse to acknowledge it lol

Again, not sure what youre actually taking offence to cause I dont think anybodys having a go at you. Brexit is complex bro I think youre not doing anybody any favours by trying to simplify it and look at it in one dimension like you are. Or maybe youre just cynical about politics, which is understandable, but you cant just throw your hands up in exasperation cause thats another part of the problem. You cant sit here complaining that the government fucks us but then get so frustrated that you dont even take part in the democratic process. Either youre gonna take part and try to make a change or just sit there in frustration and complain?
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Why even bother, fatal?
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EvilMegas posted...

Why even bother, fatal?

Exactly. I didn't and won't read that shit.
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EvilMegas posted...

Why even bother, fatal?

Im just so confused I dunno what hes so pissed at lol

Hes trying to take part in a debate about politics but then complains he doesnt know about or like politics but is also frustrated with the system but wont do anything about it

Eh lol
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That's a weird interpretation of things. Seems to me you get really salty when folk don't vote. Seems like a you problem so eh.
Still confused, debate, complaints and frustration are all key words to political discussions so this is going well.
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wwinterj25 posted...

That's a weird interpretation of things. Seems to me you get really salty when folk don't vote. Seems like a you problem so eh.
Still confused, debate, complaints and frustration are all key words to political discussions so this is going well.

Im not salty about people not voting, Im just saying its part of the problem. Which for some reason you cant seem to understand but Im really not sure how? I know you dont understand politics but thats pretty basic...
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TheWitchMorgana posted...

you don't work or do anything so i don't see why it would affect you anyway

lmfao rekt

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