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scar the 1 08/27/19 2:36:45 PM #52:	-Cipher- posted... scar the 1 posted... And why should legal sex match assigned sex at birth rather than gender identity? For medical as well as legal purposes. The same reason that most states refuse to alter a birth certificate to reflect a name change. What medical purposes? Assigned sex at birth shouldn't change in the medical records. And what legal purposes? --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926614714] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>-Cipher- posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>And why should legal sex match assigned sex at birth rather than gender identity?</quote> For medical as well as legal purposes. The same reason that most states refuse to alter a birth certificate to reflect a name change. </quote> What medical purposes? Assigned sex at birth shouldn't change in the medical records. And what legal purposes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lolife67 08/27/19 2:37:22 PM #54:	I like how all the posters pretending to be outraged about this can't actually explain how it is detrimental. Physicians do not access people's birth certificates when treating them. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:926614750] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>I like how all the posters pretending to be outraged about this can't actually explain how it is detrimental. Physicians do not access people's birth certificates when treating them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Cipher- 08/27/19 2:42:25 PM #55:	scar the 1 posted... What medical purposes? Assigned sex at birth shouldn't change in the medical records. And what legal purposes? I think I misread your previous question That being said what exactly is the point of having a legal sex if it doesn't match your biological sex? Seems kind of counter-intuitive since the government has no reason to keep records about your personal preferences, and it would be a borderline surveillance state if they did. <cite>-Cipher- posted [p:926614944] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>What medical purposes? Assigned sex at birth shouldn't change in the medical records. And what legal purposes?</quote> I think I misread your previous question That being said what exactly is the point of having a legal sex if it doesn't match your biological sex? Seems kind of counter-intuitive since the government has no reason to keep records about your personal preferences, and it would be a borderline surveillance state if they did. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asagi_mode_gone 08/27/19 2:43:57 PM #56:	lolife67 posted... I like how all the posters pretending to be outraged about this can't actually explain how it is detrimental. Physicians do not access people's birth certificates when treating them. There's no shortage of cis people who have issues with trans people while making zero attempts to understand trans care or what this improvement entails. Birth certificates are legal documents and mismatched ones can lead to a lot of discrimination as well as being denied other legal documents like passports. It isn't even like your blood type is listed on your drivers license, at least not in America. Bringing up medical issues that this might cause is fucking vile because guess what? Trans people already do get improper medical care because of discrimination and lack of training to actually know how to handle trans health needs. <cite>asagi_mode_gone posted [p:926614995] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>lolife67 posted... </cite> <quote>I like how all the posters pretending to be outraged about this can't actually explain how it is detrimental. Physicians do not access people's birth certificates when treating them.</quote> There's no shortage of cis people who have issues with trans people while making zero attempts to understand trans care or what this improvement entails. Birth certificates are legal documents and mismatched ones can lead to a lot of discrimination as well as being denied other legal documents like passports. It isn't even like your blood type is listed on your drivers license, at least not in America. Bringing up medical issues that this might cause is fucking vile because guess what? Trans people already do get improper medical care because of discrimination and lack of training to actually know how to handle trans health needs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 08/27/19 2:44:14 PM #57:	-Cipher- posted... scar the 1 posted... What medical purposes? Assigned sex at birth shouldn't change in the medical records. And what legal purposes? I think I misread your previous question That being said what exactly is the point of having a legal sex if it doesn't match your biological sex? Seems kind of counter-intuitive since the government has no reason to keep records about your personal preferences, and it would be a borderline surveillance state if they did. Good question!! What's the point of legal sex in the first place? --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926615005] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>-Cipher- posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>What medical purposes? Assigned sex at birth shouldn't change in the medical records. And what legal purposes?</quote> I think I misread your previous question That being said what exactly is the point of having a legal sex if it doesn't match your biological sex? Seems kind of counter-intuitive since the government has no reason to keep records about your personal preferences, and it would be a borderline surveillance state if they did. </quote> Good question!! What's the point of legal sex in the first place?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asagi_mode_gone 08/27/19 2:45:59 PM #58:	-Cipher- posted... I think I misread your previous question That being said what exactly is the point of having a legal sex if it doesn't match your biological sex? Seems kind of counter-intuitive since the government has no reason to keep records about your personal preferences, and it would be a borderline surveillance state if they did. Imagine having such an outdated understanding of science that you unironically use the term "biological sex". Good luck finding it in an actual textbook. <cite>asagi_mode_gone posted [p:926615082] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>-Cipher- posted... </cite> <quote>I think I misread your previous question That being said what exactly is the point of having a legal sex if it doesn't match your biological sex? Seems kind of counter-intuitive since the government has no reason to keep records about your personal preferences, and it would be a borderline surveillance state if they did.</quote> Imagine having such an outdated understanding of science that you unironically use the term "biological sex". Good luck finding it in an actual textbook. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Collat 08/27/19 2:46:53 PM #59:	Not like most people have to show it very often, but more power to them I guess. <cite>Collat posted [p:926615114] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>Not like most people have to show it very often, but more power to them I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 08/27/19 2:47:10 PM #60:	asagi_mode_gone posted... Imagine having such an outdated understanding of science that you unironically use the term "biological sex". Good luck finding it in an actual textbook. It makes perfect sense to use the term "biological sex" in a conversation where you want to differentiate it with "legal sex" --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926615129] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>asagi_mode_gone posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine having such an outdated understanding of science that you unironically use the term "biological sex". Good luck finding it in an actual textbook.</quote> It makes perfect sense to use the term "biological sex" in a conversation where you want to differentiate it with "legal sex"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asagi_mode_gone 08/27/19 2:48:36 PM #61:	scar the 1 posted... It makes perfect sense to use the term "biological sex" in a conversation where you want to differentiate it with "legal sex" Okay so tell me. When you were born or still gestating, did the doctor get a blood test to phenotype and genotype you to determine your chromosomes? Or did they just look down, see a penis, and go "male"? <cite>asagi_mode_gone posted [p:926615192] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>It makes perfect sense to use the term "biological sex" in a conversation where you want to differentiate it with "legal sex"</quote> Okay so tell me. When you were born or still gestating, did the doctor get a blood test to phenotype and genotype you to determine your chromosomes? Or did they just look down, see a penis, and go "male"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 08/27/19 2:51:06 PM #62:	asagi_mode_gone posted... scar the 1 posted... It makes perfect sense to use the term "biological sex" in a conversation where you want to differentiate it with "legal sex" Okay so tell me. When you were born or still gestating, did the doctor get a blood test to phenotype and genotype you to determine your chromosomes? Or did they just look down, see a penis, and go "male"? .... what's your point? That he should use assigned sex instead? --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926615304] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>asagi_mode_gone posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>It makes perfect sense to use the term "biological sex" in a conversation where you want to differentiate it with "legal sex"</quote> Okay so tell me. When you were born or still gestating, did the doctor get a blood test to phenotype and genotype you to determine your chromosomes? Or did they just look down, see a penis, and go "male"? </quote> .... what's your point? That he should use assigned sex instead?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathDeathSong 08/27/19 2:51:51 PM #63:	itt the cis unironically think that trans people would lie to their doctors while receiving medical care.........even though said doctors are the ones that help them get hormones and refer them to surgeons and stuff --- MY HEARTS GO OUT TO ALL YOU SINNERS!! Let me tell you about Deltarune https://i.imgtc.com/dcuHj3G.gif <cite>DeathDeathSong posted [p:926615331] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>itt the cis unironically think that trans people would lie to their doctors while receiving medical care.........even though said doctors are the ones that help them get hormones and refer them to surgeons and stuff </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Cipher- 08/27/19 2:51:54 PM #64:	asagi_mode_gone posted... Imagine having such an outdated understanding of science that you unironically use the term "biological sex". Good luck finding it in an actual textbook. literally what <cite>-Cipher- posted [p:926615332] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>asagi_mode_gone posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine having such an outdated understanding of science that you unironically use the term "biological sex". Good luck finding it in an actual textbook.</quote> literally what </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 08/27/19 2:56:23 PM #65:	Eh, let them do them Don't really care either way --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:926615484] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>Eh, let them do them Don't really care either way </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Salaam 08/27/19 2:59:26 PM #66:	<cite>Salaam posted [p:926615605] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 08/27/19 3:00:08 PM #67:	Salaam posted... Lol fuck --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:926615634] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>Salaam posted... </cite> <quote></quote>Lol fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrPeppers 08/27/19 3:10:24 PM #69:	asagi_mode_gone posted... scar the 1 posted... It makes perfect sense to use the term "biological sex" in a conversation where you want to differentiate it with "legal sex" Okay so tell me. When you were born or still gestating, did the doctor get a blood test to phenotype and genotype you to determine your chromosomes? Or did they just look down, see a penis, and go "male"? Thats commonly how sex is identified prenatally nowadays, with a blood draw called cell-free fetal DNA --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:926616033] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>asagi_mode_gone posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>It makes perfect sense to use the term "biological sex" in a conversation where you want to differentiate it with "legal sex"</quote> Okay so tell me. When you were born or still gestating, did the doctor get a blood test to phenotype and genotype you to determine your chromosomes? Or did they just look down, see a penis, and go "male"? </quote> Thats commonly how sex is identified prenatally nowadays, with a blood draw called cell-free fetal DNA</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 08/27/19 3:12:18 PM #70:	JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... Im not cis and mentioned I would be for it so long as it wouldnt impact their healthcare. Turns out it wont. So Im now completely for it. My line of thinking was that its possible to have an unconscious patient receive treatment not that they would lie to their doctor. I know I wouldnt. Aw fuck, this person has been shot. Hopefully they have their original birth certificate in their pocket, or theres absolutely nothing I can do to help. --- she/her https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:926616106] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... </cite> <quote>Im not cis and mentioned I would be for it so long as it wouldnt impact their healthcare. Turns out it wont. So Im now completely for it. My line of thinking was that its possible to have an unconscious patient receive treatment not that they would lie to their doctor. I know I wouldnt.</quote> Aw fuck, this person has been shot. Hopefully they have their original birth certificate in their pocket, or theres absolutely nothing I can do to help. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 08/27/19 3:14:30 PM #71:	PleaseClap posted... [LFAQs-redacted-quote] Aw fuck, this person has been shot. Hopefully they have their original birth certificate in their pocket, or theres absolutely nothing I can do to help. Being involved in a trauma and having a report of male, then doing an ex lap and finding a uterus is confusing and potentially disorienting to say the least, especially if the EMR is out of date and lists sex as male rather than the gender as man. --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:926616198] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Aw fuck, this person has been shot. Hopefully they have their original birth certificate in their pocket, or theres absolutely nothing I can do to help. </quote> Being involved in a trauma and having a report of male, then doing an ex lap and finding a uterus is confusing and potentially disorienting to say the least, especially if the EMR is out of date and lists sex as male rather than the gender as man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 08/27/19 3:18:33 PM #73:	MrPeppers posted... Being involved in a trauma and having a report of male, then doing an ex lap and finding a uterus is confusing and potentially disorienting to say the least, especially if the EMR is out of date and lists sex as male rather than the gender as man. But what does that have to do with birth certificate? --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926616397] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote>Being involved in a trauma and having a report of male, then doing an ex lap and finding a uterus is confusing and potentially disorienting to say the least, especially if the EMR is out of date and lists sex as male rather than the gender as man.</quote> But what does that have to do with birth certificate?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 08/27/19 3:20:18 PM #74:	scar the 1 posted... MrPeppers posted... Being involved in a trauma and having a report of male, then doing an ex lap and finding a uterus is confusing and potentially disorienting to say the least, especially if the EMR is out of date and lists sex as male rather than the gender as man. But what does that have to do with birth certificate? It doesnt. Im just trying to fan flames here let me do my thing. I will say that this did indeed happen and the called us in for a hysterectomy to stabilize the bleeding. We were all a little confused at first, but definitely interesting. --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:926616474] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote>Being involved in a trauma and having a report of male, then doing an ex lap and finding a uterus is confusing and potentially disorienting to say the least, especially if the EMR is out of date and lists sex as male rather than the gender as man.</quote> But what does that have to do with birth certificate?</quote> It doesnt. Im just trying to fan flames here let me do my thing. I will say that this did indeed happen and the called us in for a hysterectomy to stabilize the bleeding. We were all a little confused at first, but definitely interesting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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evil_zombie11 08/27/19 3:23:50 PM #76:	Lmfao this'll annoy docs and EMT --- Yo wtf <cite>evil_zombie11 posted [p:926616632] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>Lmfao this'll annoy docs and EMT</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0AbsoluteZero0 08/27/19 3:38:20 PM #77:	Dyinglegacy posted... Aren't sex and gender two different concepts? That's what people usually say, anyway. --- Absolute Zero <cite>0AbsoluteZero0 posted [p:926617234] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote>Aren't sex and gender two different concepts? That's what people usually say, anyway. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 08/27/19 3:49:38 PM #78:	What a person was born as is irrelevant. If the person says they are a woman then they are a woman, its not up to anyone else. Its 2019, Women can have penises too. If doctors have a problem with that then they need to check their privilege. --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:926617670] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>What a person was born as is irrelevant. If the person says they are a woman then they are a woman, its not up to anyone else. Its 2019, Women can have penises too. If doctors have a problem with that then they need to check their privilege.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 08/27/19 3:52:19 PM #79:	Crash posted... Literally got modded for saying men have prostates. We truly live in a clown world. Something tells me that's not "literally" what got you in trouble. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:926617768] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>Crash posted...</cite> <quote>Literally got modded for saying men have prostates. We truly live in a clown world. </quote> Something tells me that's not "literally" what got you in trouble.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 08/27/19 3:56:46 PM #80:	_Rinku_ posted... Crash posted... Literally got modded for saying men have prostates. We truly live in a clown world. Something tells me that's not "literally" what got you in trouble. It's not. He knows what he did. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:926617935] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>Crash posted...</cite> <quote>Literally got modded for saying men have prostates. We truly live in a clown world. </quote> Something tells me that's not "literally" what got you in trouble.</quote> It's not. He knows what he did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarxWingDuck 08/27/19 4:01:20 PM #81:	The stuff that has happened because of this trans fad makes it embarrassing to be associated with this era. 100 years from now I imagine people researching our history will be saying "you can't make this stuff up. These people literally thought their gender was a feeling and not a scientific fact" <cite>DarxWingDuck posted [p:926618131] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>The stuff that has happened because of this trans fad makes it embarrassing to be associated with this era. 100 years from now I imagine people researching our history will be saying "you can't make this stuff up. These people literally thought their gender was a feeling and not a scientific fact"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WolfFangHowell 08/27/19 4:29:08 PM #82:	MrPeppers posted... asagi_mode_gone posted... scar the 1 posted... It makes perfect sense to use the term "biological sex" in a conversation where you want to differentiate it with "legal sex" Okay so tell me. When you were born or still gestating, did the doctor get a blood test to phenotype and genotype you to determine your chromosomes? Or did they just look down, see a penis, and go "male"? Thats commonly how sex is identified prenatally nowadays, with a blood draw called cell-free fetal DNA This. Whod have thought that someone would speak out of ignorance of medical science to support their platform in 2019? --- "Needless to say that drumset looked worse than Emmit Till during his funeral viewing." ---Brock HCTP <cite>WolfFangHowell posted [p:926619215] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote>asagi_mode_gone posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>It makes perfect sense to use the term "biological sex" in a conversation where you want to differentiate it with "legal sex"</quote> Okay so tell me. When you were born or still gestating, did the doctor get a blood test to phenotype and genotype you to determine your chromosomes? Or did they just look down, see a penis, and go "male"? </quote> Thats commonly how sex is identified prenatally nowadays, with a blood draw called cell-free fetal DNA</quote> This. Whod have thought that someone would speak out of ignorance of medical science to support their platform in 2019?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malfunction 08/27/19 4:33:43 PM #83:	Seems good imo <cite>Malfunction posted [p:926619383] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>Seems good imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 08/27/19 4:34:34 PM #84:	DarxWingDuck posted... The stuff that has happened because of this trans fad makes it embarrassing to be associated with this era. Which era in particular are you referring to? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history Seems like a really long running fad to me --- she/her https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:926619413] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>DarxWingDuck posted... </cite> <quote>The stuff that has happened because of this trans fad makes it embarrassing to be associated with this era. </quote> Which era in particular are you referring to? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history Seems like a really long running fad to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobaban 08/27/19 4:41:41 PM #85:	Imagine living in a time where "women" have penises. <cite>bobaban posted [p:926619694] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>Imagine living in a time where "women" have penises. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bass_X0 08/27/19 4:46:56 PM #87:	bobaban posted... Imagine living in a time where "women" have penises. The time is now. --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:926619876] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>bobaban posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine living in a time where "women" have penises. </quote> The time is now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kensaimage 08/27/19 4:51:07 PM #88:	iPhone_7 posted... What a person was born as is irrelevant. If the person says they are a woman then they are a woman, its not up to anyone else. Its 2019, Women can have penises too. If doctors have a problem with that then they need to check their privilege. Right. Why go to medical school when people can just decide for themselves? The left has been saying for years that sex and gender are different things. Okay, fine. But sex is medically relevant in certain situations. <cite>Kensaimage posted [p:926620033] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted...</cite> <quote>What a person was born as is irrelevant. If the person says they are a woman then they are a woman, its not up to anyone else. Its 2019, Women can have penises too. If doctors have a problem with that then they need to check their privilege.</quote> Right. Why go to medical school when people can just decide for themselves? The left has been saying for years that sex and gender are different things. Okay, fine. But sex is medically relevant in certain situations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/27/19 4:51:57 PM #89:	s0nicfan posted... Your birth certificate is like the one place where it should be impossible to change your sex. Doctors need to know this shit when you show up at the ER. Doctors don't have general access to your birth certificate --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926620070] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>Your birth certificate is like the one place where it should be impossible to change your sex. Doctors need to know this shit when you show up at the ER.</quote>Doctors don't have general access to your birth certificate </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 08/27/19 4:52:32 PM #90:	DarxWingDuck posted... The stuff that has happened because of this trans fad makes it embarrassing to be associated with this era. 100 years from now I imagine people researching our history will be saying "you can't make this stuff up. These people literally thought their gender was a feeling and not a scientific fact" Imagine not knowing how science works but claiming everyone else is wrong. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:926620097] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>DarxWingDuck posted...</cite> <quote>The stuff that has happened because of this trans fad makes it embarrassing to be associated with this era. 100 years from now I imagine people researching our history will be saying "you can't make this stuff up. These people literally thought their gender was a feeling and not a scientific fact"</quote> Imagine not knowing how science works but claiming everyone else is wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 08/27/19 4:54:58 PM #92:	PleaseClap posted... DarxWingDuck posted... The stuff that has happened because of this trans fad makes it embarrassing to be associated with this era. Which era in particular are you referring to? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history Seems like a really long running fad to me More like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_history Genderless figures, gods that punished people by swapping bodies, eunuchs, and women dressing as men to get into the military aren't evidence of transsexualism in history. I'm not saying there were no trans people in history, but desperately padding history with them by redefining everything that isn't blatantly hetero or homosexual as trans reeks of trying to redefine history for your own purposes. Half the things mentioned in that list, if you go to their individual wikipedia pages, make no mention of any relation to transsexualism. Just going from the first paragraph, the Sumerian Gala were genderless, and the Roman galli were eunuchs, and the Indian Hijras were eunuchs who also took hermaphrodites into their ranks. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:926620198] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>DarxWingDuck posted... </cite> <quote>The stuff that has happened because of this trans fad makes it embarrassing to be associated with this era. </quote> Which era in particular are you referring to? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history Seems like a really long running fad to me </quote> More like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_history Genderless figures, gods that punished people by swapping bodies, eunuchs, and women dressing as men to get into the military aren't evidence of transsexualism in history. I'm not saying there were no trans people in history, but desperately padding history with them by redefining everything that isn't blatantly hetero or homosexual as trans reeks of trying to redefine history for your own purposes. Half the things mentioned in that list, if you go to their individual wikipedia pages, make no mention of any relation to transsexualism. Just going from the first paragraph, the Sumerian Gala were genderless, and the Roman galli were eunuchs, and the Indian Hijras were eunuchs who also took hermaphrodites into their ranks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/27/19 4:55:55 PM #93:	bobaban posted... Imagine living in a time where "women" have penises. Some women (and a few men) have a dresser drawer full of them. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:926620234] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>bobaban posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine living in a time where "women" have penises. </quote> Some women (and a few men) have a dresser drawer full of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ColdOne666 08/27/19 4:57:15 PM #95:	To those unaware Victoria is an embarrasment and the laughing stock of Australia. --- FFX is the best game of all time. Comics are for kids. https://imgur.com/LJ3WSyB . Germany and Great Britain should have been on the same side in WW2. <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:926620281] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>To those unaware Victoria is an embarrasment and the laughing stock of Australia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/27/19 4:59:36 PM #96:	JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... s0nicfan posted... PleaseClap posted... DarxWingDuck posted... The stuff that has happened because of this trans fad makes it embarrassing to be associated with this era. Which era in particular are you referring to? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history Seems like a really long running fad to me More like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_history Genderless figures, gods that punished people by swapping bodies, eunuchs, and women dressing as men to get into the military aren't evidence of transsexualism in history. I'm not saying there were no trans people in history, but desperately padding history with them by redefining everything that isn't blatantly hetero or homosexual as trans reeks of trying to redefine history for your own purposes. Half the things mentioned in that list, if you go to their individual wikipedia pages, make no mention of any relation to transsexualism. Just going from the first paragraph, the Sumerian Gala were genderless, and the Roman galli were eunuchs, and the Indian Hijras were eunuchs who also took hermaphrodites into their ranks. What category do you think genderless, agender, and/or nongender conforming people typically fall under? genderless, agender, and nongender conforming. AKA their own categories. Not transgender. Unless we're saying LGBT is the new forever acronym and the T stands for "everything else". --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:926620366] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>DarxWingDuck posted... </cite> <quote>The stuff that has happened because of this trans fad makes it embarrassing to be associated with this era. </quote> Which era in particular are you referring to? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history Seems like a really long running fad to me </quote> More like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_history Genderless figures, gods that punished people by swapping bodies, eunuchs, and women dressing as men to get into the military aren't evidence of transsexualism in history. I'm not saying there were no trans people in history, but desperately padding history with them by redefining everything that isn't blatantly hetero or homosexual as trans reeks of trying to redefine history for your own purposes. Half the things mentioned in that list, if you go to their individual wikipedia pages, make no mention of any relation to transsexualism. Just going from the first paragraph, the Sumerian Gala were genderless, and the Roman galli were eunuchs, and the Indian Hijras were eunuchs who also took hermaphrodites into their ranks.</quote> What category do you think genderless, agender, and/or nongender conforming people typically fall under?</quote> genderless, agender, and nongender conforming. AKA their own categories. Not transgender. Unless we're saying LGBT is the new forever acronym and the T stands for "everything else".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 08/27/19 5:01:22 PM #97:	Isnt the acronym LGBTQIA+? --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:926620436] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>Isnt the acronym LGBTQIA+?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/27/19 5:07:53 PM #98:	MrPeppers posted... Isnt the acronym LGBTQIA+? Maybe for the next half hour or so, sure. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:926620672] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote>Isnt the acronym LGBTQIA+?</quote> Maybe for the next half hour or so, sure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 08/27/19 5:15:32 PM #99:	s0nicfan posted... genderless, agender, and nongender conforming. AKA their own categories. Not transgender. Unless we're saying LGBT is the new forever acronym and the T stands for "everything else". Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from their assigned sex.[1][2][3] Some transgender people who desire medical assistance to transitionfrom one sex to another identify as transsexual.[4][5] Transgender often shortened as trans is also an umbrella term: in addition to including people whose gender identity is the opposite of their assigned sex (trans men and trans women), it may include people who are not exclusively masculine or feminine (people who are non-binary or genderqueer, including bigender, pangender, genderfluid, or agender).[2][6][7] Other definitions of transgender also include people who belong to a third gender, or else conceptualize transgender people as a third gender.[8][9] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender --- she/her https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:926620965] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>genderless, agender, and nongender conforming. AKA their own categories. Not transgender. Unless we're saying LGBT is the new forever acronym and the T stands for "everything else".</quote> <quote>Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from their assigned sex.[1][2][3] Some transgender people who desire medical assistance to transitionfrom one sex to another identify as transsexual.[4][5] Transgender often shortened as trans is also an umbrella term: in addition to including people whose gender identity is the opposite of their assigned sex (trans men and trans women), it may include people who are not exclusively masculine or feminine (people who are non-binary or genderqueer, including bigender, pangender, genderfluid, or agender).[2][6][7] Other definitions of transgender also include people who belong to a third gender, or else conceptualize transgender people as a third gender.[8][9]</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UltraDeku 08/27/19 5:19:41 PM #100:	100! --- https://imgtc.com/i/c5VfeKI.png <cite>UltraDeku posted [p:926621119] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>100!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Houston 08/27/19 5:32:04 PM #101:	They think it'll make them happy, but it won't. They know what their sex is --- "Sometimes you will never know the value of a moment until it becomes a memory." - Dr Seuss <cite>Houston posted [p:926621609] in Bill to al... [t:77966292]...</cite> <quote>They think it'll make them happy, but it won't. They know what their sex is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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