Current Events > Enter the Gungeon is kinda shitty.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Or maybe I don't like bullet hell games.

I doubt I'll beat this game (challenging) but alas, I'll keep trying.
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SrRd_RacinG posted...

Or maybe I don't like bullet hell games.

I doubt I'll beat this game (challenging) but alas, I'll keep trying.

Welcome to roguelikes.

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I liked it a lot, but I knew it was too hard for me, so I refunded it before the 2 hours was up
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Isn't it part Roguelike?

Being highly susceptible to RNG and having runs where you're more or less screwed is kind of in the genre's DNA.

I watched a video that claimed being good at a Roguelike is a matter of being able to tell when to restart the game to try for better drops.
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You're honestly the first person I've ever seen who doesn't love it
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chrono625 posted...

SrRd_RacinG posted...

Or maybe I don't like bullet hell games.

I doubt I'll beat this game (challenging) but alas, I'll keep trying.

Welcome to roguelikes.

Yea..I've beaten Dead Cells once and also Rogue Legacy but with Gungeon, I feel less energized to continue.
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It wasnt the rogue like elements that made it too hard. Its the fact its a bullet hell lol
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I've died approximately 25 times. Made it floor 3 once.
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solosnake posted...

It wasnt the rogue like elements that made it too hard. Its the fact its a bullet hell lol

Sounds like a perfect storm of frustration to me. Bullet hell to make sure you die a lot, Roguelike to make sure you lose all your progress ever and never get the chance for a rematch.

Which is sad because twin stick shooters are totally my thing.
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I have 60 hours of playtime and over 200 attempts and still haven't won. I was literally a single hit from killing the final boss at one point. It is a very frustrating game. And yes, I know I'm bad at it.

The problem is that a lot of the game only opens up to you once you beat that particular boss. I love the game for the variety of weapons and items you can find but I hate everything else about it. At least when it comes to a game like Dead Cells (which I'm also shit at) I can still truly enjoy and appreciate the game as I'm failing. But it's not the same with Gungeon.
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DevsBro posted...

Sounds like a perfect storm of frustration to me. Bullet hell to make sure you die a lot, Roguelike to make sure you lose all your progress ever and never get the chance for a rematch.

Which is sad because twin stick shooters are totally my thing.

Depending on your load out and RNGesus, the game is miserably hard or frantically fun.

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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I have 60 hours of playtime and over 200 attempts and still haven't won. I was literally a single hit from killing the final boss at one point. It is a very frustrating game. And yes, I know I'm bad at it.

The problem is that a lot of the game only opens up to you once you beat that particular boss. I love the game for the variety of weapons and items you can find but I hate everything else about it. At least when it comes to a game like Dead Cells (which I'm also shit at) I can still truly enjoy and appreciate the game as I'm failing. But it's not the same with Gungeon.

Bingo.

I think I beat Dead Cells in 120ish runs. But at least I had cells to spend and there was a sense of progression.

Gungeon is just...shittier. Not bad...just not as enthralling.
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SrRd_RacinG posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I have 60 hours of playtime and over 200 attempts and still haven't won. I was literally a single hit from killing the final boss at one point. It is a very frustrating game. And yes, I know I'm bad at it.

The problem is that a lot of the game only opens up to you once you beat that particular boss. I love the game for the variety of weapons and items you can find but I hate everything else about it. At least when it comes to a game like Dead Cells (which I'm also shit at) I can still truly enjoy and appreciate the game as I'm failing. But it's not the same with Gungeon.

Bingo.

I think I beat Dead Cells in 120ish runs. But at least I had cells to spend and there was a sense of progression.

Gungeon is just...shittier. Not bad...just not as enthralling.

I mean Gungeon still does have that sense of progression since you buy and unlock items to be used in the Gungeon. But like I said all the best ones can't be obtained till after you start beating the game consistently. There's nothing wrong with that of course, it makes sense to do it that way. But 60 hours is too long to go without a victory.
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It's an inferior roguelike game. I got it for less than 8 bucks so I'm not too upset, but I expected better from this title.
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I like it a lot. I can understand if you don't like or are bad at bullet hell style games it won't be for you. But I think that's an upside, not a negative. One issue with genre-bending roguelikes that I have is they often water down the core game play elements just to make it easier to progress through brute forcing it over repeated tries.
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Balrog0 posted...

are bad at bullet hell

That's his problem, unfortunately he's blaming his lack of skill on the game.
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SrRd_RacinG posted...

Or maybe I don't like bullet hell games.

You should probably have figured this out before you made the topic.
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I also am not a big fan of it. I prefer Binding of Isaac a ton more.
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Positioning is very important in this game. Sure you can dodge roll over bullets but the best defense is avoiding situations where you can avoid being damaged in the first place.

As an extension of this, its important to know how enemies behave and the way they attack.
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It's light on the bullet hell aspects, I'd say give it a shot and see if it gets better when you get used to it.

Sadly I don't think I'll improve enough to get any good at it. I've made it to the fourth chapter once in the time I've owned the game. I'm just poor at bullet hells.

Now Necrodancer, that's a game I'm better at. :)
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Dead Cells and Rogue Legacy are far superior than this.
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SrRd_RacinG posted...

Dead Cells and Rogue Legacy are far superior than this.

Dead Cells agree, Rogue Legacy I loved but it didn't have the staying power this does.

But don't worry if you don't like it, there are a ton of Roguelikes in a ton of genres, you've got options! My personal favorites are FPS Roguelikes(Mothergunship, Tower of Guns, Immortal Redneck, Ziggurat, etc etc) and Slay The Spire(I wish there were more card ones, but none match its quality).

I dunno, game is pretty easy for me after the first few attempts. The final 50 or so hours I spent on the game, it becomes pretty formulaic and mundane. I always make it to the 5th floor+, and beat the secret chambers each time.
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OctilIery posted...

SrRd_RacinG posted...

Dead Cells and Rogue Legacy are far superior than this.

Dead Cells agree, Rogue Legacy I loved but it didn't have the staying power this does.

But don't worry if you don't like it, there are a ton of Roguelikes in a ton of genres, you've got options! My personal favorites are FPS Roguelikes(Mothergunship, Tower of Guns, Immortal Redneck, Ziggurat, etc etc) and Slay The Spire(I wish there were more card ones, but none match its quality).

I'm not a huge fan of these roguelikes... but I still will try the best ones.

What I'm learning is that bullet bells are just not my style.

I intend to beat this though. Very determined.
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Slay the Spire is seriously one of my favorite games of all time
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Balrog0 posted...

Slay the Spire is seriously one of my favorite games of all time

New character coming soon!!!

Also, the starting characters are pretty crappy compared to the ones you unlock. Though, I personally liked Marine > Pilot > don't care after that.

Marine has the best starting weapon and the Pilot has a crappy starting weapon, but can give you the opportunity to go to the secret chamber and pick up more items because of his starting item.
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Honestly the Hunter is my favorite character

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Alpha218 posted...

Honestly the Hunter is my favorite character

I like Marine the most. Initially Pilot was my favorite, but the lockpick eventually lost its appeal. Two active items slots is really nice of course, but not something you can always take advantage of.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I like Marine the most. Initially Pilot was my favorite, but the lockpick eventually lost its appeal. Two active items slots is really nice of course, but not something you can always take advantage of.

I only extensively played Pilot when I was grinding the challenge for the 5th floor elevator

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As soon as you get the black hole gun , the game becomes easy mode.
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Alpha218 posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I like Marine the most. Initially Pilot was my favorite, but the lockpick eventually lost its appeal. Two active items slots is really nice of course, but not something you can always take advantage of.

I only extensively played Pilot when I was grinding the challenge for the 5th floor elevator

That challenge is easiest on Rainbow mode with any character as you won't really need keys or to buy from shops. Hell, Rainbow mode makes everything easy if you can get Clone or Gunther as a starter.
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Farewell to Arms update wasnt out yet.

Hell, Advanced Gungeons and Draguns update wasnt out either

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It's one of the very few roguelikes/lites I tolerate...then again, I've only played a few hours and haven't gotten appropriately far enough to form a legitimately formed opinion on it. So...?

I just know, on the whole, I really don't like the genre. It's one of my least favorite.
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Kinda pissed. Was cruising through the third level with my new guns... got to the boss door but decided to go back and explore more. Bad idea; came across a room with some crazy ass enemies and died. I had nearly full health. So much for exploring.
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bruh enter the gungeon is sick, i'm so bummed it's not getting any more updates

AceWingsta posted...

I dunno, game is pretty easy for me after the first few attempts. The final 50 or so hours I spent on the game, it becomes pretty formulaic and mundane. I always make it to the 5th floor+, and beat the secret chambers each time.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not <_<
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Balrog0 posted...

Slay the Spire is seriously one of my favorite games of all time

Agreed
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SrRd_RacinG posted...

Kinda pissed. Was cruising through the third level with my new guns... got to the boss door but decided to go back and explore more. Bad idea; came across a room with some crazy ass enemies and died. I had nearly full health. So much for exploring.

This is part of the appeal to the game. Not liking it doesn't make it shitty.
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Drpooplol posted...

SrRd_RacinG posted...

Kinda pissed. Was cruising through the third level with my new guns... got to the boss door but decided to go back and explore more. Bad idea; came across a room with some crazy ass enemies and died. I had nearly full health. So much for exploring.

This is part of the appeal to the game. Not liking it doesn't make it shitty.

Like with most roguelikes, I tend to enjoy it more with time. I'm getting better each day.
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pegusus123456 posted...

AceWingsta posted...

I dunno, game is pretty easy for me after the first few attempts. The final 50 or so hours I spent on the game, it becomes pretty formulaic and mundane. I always make it to the 5th floor+, and beat the secret chambers each time.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not <_<

It's not, maybe it's because Rainbow mode is extremely broken (I discovered it too late, or I would've done that exclusively the moment I unlocked it). The choice of a selection of A or S rank items is broken, you don't need to spend money aside from floor one to unlock secret chambers (and can save for elevator fixing).

Also, it's amazing for finishing those dumb ass hunting quests too (start with A/S gun, rush to clear rooms and restart with elevator).
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the game can be easier if we save scum (save to the cloud) before each floor. rogue legacy allowed it, binding of isaac allowed it.

super meat boy doesn't allow it unless you complete a set of worlds without dying.
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