Current Events > When did pokemon stop being good?

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Gen 5 for sure is when the series started to really suck.

Pokemon peaked in gen 2, 3 and 4 were steady declines from there but the series didn't start to be actually bad until Black/White
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In my opinion, the pokemon series has improved with every game. Sword and shield looked weird, but I'm trusting them it will be a great game
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After gen 2
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Either gen 4 or gen 5 for me. I had a lot of fun with Black/White when they came out, but in retrospect gens 1-4 are the only ones I really consider "true" Pokmon games.
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Gafemage posted...

Either gen 4 or gen 5 for me. I had a lot of fun with Black/White when they came out, but in retrospect gens 1-4 are the only ones I really consider "true" Pokmon games.

It was when I realized that you couldn't even see any old pokemon until postgame in B/W that I realized this is where the series died.
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Gen 3 for me.

By then, I was tired of going through the same plot and catching every Pokemon.

TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Gafemage posted...

Either gen 4 or gen 5 for me. I had a lot of fun with Black/White when they came out, but in retrospect gens 1-4 are the only ones I really consider "true" Pokmon games.

It was when I realized that you couldn't even see any old pokemon until postgame in B/W that I realized this is where the series died.

That was a great decision, every pokemon you encountered until post game was new. Play B2/W2 if that was a big enough issue for you.
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It's still good, just not as good, but Gen 6.

The only thing really wrong with gen 6 was the lack of difficulty.
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Gen 6, most definitely.
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Sun and moon are the only Pokmon games I have played I didnt like

I give Gamefreak credit for the B/W1 decision of only new Pokemon until the postgame tbh. That decision must have taken some balls, and while there are a lot of clone Pokemon just meant to be Dex filler like the not-Zubat, not-Geodude and not-Machamp clones, it's a decision I overall came to enjoy and even found new favorites thanks to.

Gen 6 has to be the biggest decline and while going 3D might have made the games look prettier, it came with way too many drawbacks. I really think at this point that Pokemon should've just stayed with 2D sprites. It just wasn't worth going 3D.
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Gen 5. It would be gen 4, but we got the HGSS remakes, which are still the most feature-dense titles in the series.
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Kajagogo posted...

Gen 6, most definitely.

I don't get why people say this. If difficulty matters to you then no pokemon game should be good because they're all piss easy. The closest thing to difficulty in any of the games is whitney's miltank
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BipBapBam posted...

I give Gamefreak credit for the B/W1 decision of only new Pokemon until the postgame tbh. That decision must have taken some balls, and while there are a lot of clone Pokemon just meant to be Dex filler like the not-Zubat, not-Geodude and not-Machamp clones, it's a decision I overall came to enjoy and even found new favorites thanks to.

Gen 6 has to be the biggest decline and while going 3D might have made the games look prettier, it came with way too many drawbacks. I really think at this point that Pokemon should've just stayed with 2D sprites. It just wasn't worth going 3D.

It did take balls, but it was still an awful decision. Literally nobody demanded that we be completely unable to see the old pokemon we know and love until postgame.
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TheGreatGeno326 posted...

iterally nobody demanded that we be completely unable to see the old pokemon we know and love until postgame.

Game devs make a lot of decisions that no one demanded.
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Diamond and Pearl were the last good games
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Antifar posted...

TheGreatGeno326 posted...

iterally nobody demanded that we be completely unable to see the old pokemon we know and love until postgame.

Game devs make a lot of decisions that no one demanded.

And in most cases those decisions end up being bad. Game devs should design games for the fans not for themselves.
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Zurkon posted...

MICHALCOLE posted...

Sun and moon are the only Pokmon games I have played I didnt like

This, I couldnt even finish it. Its also possible Im just burned out with the series because I lost any desire to play them and I used to play Pokmon a lot.

Nah they were just boring as fuck. Felt like they forgot what made Pokmon so popular in the first place

The series has generally declined after gen 4. GF isnt interested in innovation or improving the series anymore but keeping it stagnant for longevity purposes and maximum profit.

So you can either except this reality for pokemon or let it go and move on from the franchise. And I chose the latter.
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TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Kajagogo posted...

Gen 6, most definitely.

I don't get why people say this. If difficulty matters to you then no pokemon game should be good because they're all piss easy. The closest thing to difficulty in any of the games is whitney's miltank

I said nothing about the difficulty.
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the 3DS era
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I want to say 3, but I can't hate on the Gen that gave us Pokemon Colosseum.

4 had a lot of great changes.

5 was the first good story.

I don't think it "stopped" being good, but gen 6 was when the decline started I think.

1. Underwhelming story. Yes yes Pokemon never had much of a story, but Black and White set a new standard that X and Y didn't live up to.

2. Too much gen 1 pandering. It just felt like it was trying to homage Kanto while still being something else.

3. By far the worst evil team in the main games. I'd say that Team Flare was a joke, but that would be an insult to Team Skull who at least succeeded in being funny. Flare was boring. Their leader was boring. Their motives we're boring. Their admins didn't even have freaking names. This was the same gen Aqua and Magma had their admins fleshed out into actual characters.

4. By far the easiest E4. Only four Pokes, no rematch, Champion is a major step down from previous ones(Except maybe Wallace).

It's stylish, I just wish there was more substance. I still enjoyed the games, but it could have been so much more.
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Kajagogo posted...

TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Kajagogo posted...

Gen 6, most definitely.

I don't get why people say this. If difficulty matters to you then no pokemon game should be good because they're all piss easy. The closest thing to difficulty in any of the games is whitney's miltank

I said nothing about the difficulty.

I quoted the wrong post. I mean't to quote this guy

@VerisimiIitude posted...

The only thing really wrong with gen 6 was the lack of difficulty.

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When you grew up
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Damn_Underscore posted...

When you grew up

Dude I am far from "grown up" I just don't like the direction they took the series.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

When you grew up

Not true because I can still go back and play Gen 1-4 and still enjoy it just fine. Gen 5 and on suck ass.
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I want to say Gen 5 was when pokemon really started to power creep. Sure Gen 4 has it's own problems like SR, but I found it to be rather enjoyable when a lot more pokemon became viable due to the special/physical split.
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Tmaster148 posted...

I want to say Gen 5 was when pokemon really started to power creep. Sure Gen 4 has it's own problems like SR, but I found it to be rather enjoyable when a lot more pokemon became viable due to the special/physical split.

I never really noticed power creep being an issue in pokemon
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The snowcone or ice cream cone Pokmon. Seriously wtf

What I mean is that the games were never that deep. It was always possible to beat any of them by just training your starter Pokemon, which shows that they were never meant to be taken that seriously as RPGs.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

What I mean is that the games were never that deep. It was always possible to beat any of them by just training your starter Pokemon, which shows that they were never meant to be taken that seriously as RPGs.

Well yeah, I agree. That's why I don't get the people who say "Gen [number] is too easy!" when literally every game has been piss easy.
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Series peaked with Gen 5
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L0Z posted...

The snowcone or ice cream cone Pokmon. Seriously wtf

Reminder that Gen 1 had a ton of great designs like Muk(literal goo with a face), Tangela (vines with eyes and shoes), and Electrode (fucking Pokeball with a face).
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All Pokemon games are easy, post game and some problem bosses notwithstanding.

It's just that Gen 6 lacked even a troublesome boss. Not one point where it was "Oh shit, this thing is pretty tough". And yes, being older makes it easier to breeze through these games. I don't deny that.

The difference between gen 6 and 7 though is that at least I've had Pokemon faint in gen 7 during tough fights. Gen 6 scaled down to gen 1 difficulty.
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L0Z posted...

The snowcone or ice cream cone Pokmon. Seriously wtf

Vanillite is awesome, don't hate.
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Umbreon posted...

All Pokemon games are easy, post game and some problem bosses notwithstanding.

It's just that Gen 6 lacked even a troublesome boss. Not one point where it was "Oh shit, this thing is pretty tough". And yes, being older makes it easier to breeze through these games. I don't deny that.

The difference between gen 6 and 7 though is that at least I've had Pokemon faint in gen 7 during tough fights. Gen 6 scaled down to gen 1 difficulty.

Plus people who complain most about difficulty seem to be the type who play with an overleveled starter and HM slaves which is playing on EZ mode pretty much
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when they went 3d and introduced those mega forms
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The newest gen is taking it to a whole new level with a pile of whip cream and strawberries that evolves into a tower cake. A piece of coal with eyes, and a deer that wields a sword or shield

Awesome posted...

when they went 3d and introduced those mega forms

Mega evolution was basically the nail in the coffin for my interest in the series tbh
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L0Z posted...

The newest gen is taking it to a whole new level with a pile of whip cream and strawberries that evolves into a tower cake. A piece of coal with eyes, and a deer that wields a sword or shield

Exeggcute was a pile of eggs with faces on them. Not much different. And Farfetch'd was a bird that wielded a stick.

Face it, there's always been meh designs. They're nothing new.
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Peaked at Gen 5 and started sharply declining at Gen 6 and especially Gen 7 IMO. It's practically in the negatives now even with Gen 8 on the way.
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Umbreon posted...

The difference between gen 6 and 7 though is that at least I've had Pokemon faint in gen 7 during tough fights. Gen 6 scaled down to gen 1 difficulty.

The first few trials( maybe the first 3 or 4) are kinda hard, but afterward the game becomes a joke as usual.

And even thats mostly becuase most gen7s pokemon are complete garbage. AshGreaninja practically carried my entire team becuase most Alolamons were slow trash.

No wonder they cut off pokemon bank or else players wouldnt have bothered with Alolas pokemon at all.
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Gen 6. X and Y weren't good. Didn't care for the region, the characters weren't great, the villains were bad. The only good thing to come from X and Y are Mega evolutions.

Gen 5 tho? The best. I enjoyed Black and White and Black and White 2 waaaaaay more than any other Pokmon games. The Unova Region was great, the characters were great, Team Plasma is def the best Antagonist team. The new Pokmon in Gen 5 are some of the best. I fucking love Gen 5. Everything about it was great.
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Black 2 and White 2 are considered to be some of the best Pokemon games. Gen 6 is when it all went downhill.
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