Current Events > Should the women's soccer team get equal pay?

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Dathrowed1 posted...

It just sings to greed and selfishness under the guise of social justice to give women equal pay.

Sure they will get boat loads, but women's soccer will be killed after it

Generations of women will suffer, but the women of today don't care about that obviously.

Is this a serious post
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

When its time to negotiate again, then negotiate.

But the Women's team agreed to the terms.

Also unfortunately for them, they don't have the superstar power that NBA or even NFL players do. So they can't strong arm they way to better pay either
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shockthemonkey posted...

Dathrowed1 posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

When its time to negotiate again, then negotiate.

But the Women's team agreed to the terms.

Also unfortunately for them, they don't have the superstar power that NBA or even NFL players do. So they can't strong arm they way to better pay either

US Soccer would lose a significant amount of revenue if the top players refused to play. That money goes into the scouting and training of both mens and womens so it would have a significant impact for years to come.

And the top players will just... not play right and watch their pockets empty
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I love how there has been like 50 of these topics so far and the same people still misunderstand the extremely basic fundamental issues at play
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They already get a larger percentage of the event revenue than the men's teams. The revenue for women's events is smaller by quite a bit, however. Where would the extra money to equate pay come from?
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They should. Athletes across the board should be paid equally - if one team is better than the other, the better team can be entitled to bonuses. That incentivises players to play at their best.
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Should male porn stars get equal pay?
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shockthemonkey posted...

Calwings posted...

They should certainly be paid more than they are now (especially the US team that's won two straight World Cups now) but paying them equally to the men when they bring in much less money just isn't economically feasible. It's unfortunate, but that's just how it goes.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html

US
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chrono625 posted...

No one cares about or watches women soccer regularly

They watch it more than the men's team.

Soccer is a women's sport over here.

shockthemonkey posted...

Dathrowed1 posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

When its time to negotiate again, then negotiate.

But the Women's team agreed to the terms.

Also unfortunately for them, they don't have the superstar power that NBA or even NFL players do. So they can't strong arm they way to better pay either

US Soccer would lose a significant amount of revenue if the top players refused to play. That money goes into the scouting and training of both mens and womens so it would have a significant impact for years to come.

Unfortunately, they don't make enough money elsewhere to sit out.
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The US Women's team should be paid more wages than the men by US Soccer, as they generate more revenue in the US than the men's team.

However the US Men's team is always going to win more prize money from FIFA, based on revenue sharing in the men's game as a whole.

/argument
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TreyFlowers posted...

The US Women's team should be paid more wages than the men by US Soccer, as they generate more revenue in the US than the men's team.

However the US Men's team is always going to win more prize money from FIFA, based on revenue sharing in the men's game as a whole.

/argument

They already technically do and this the contract they signed. Like I said they can strike, but it wont be like AB making himself so toxic that the Steelers had to trade or AD getting out of NOLA.

Like they were going to get what they wanted no matter what
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

chrono625 posted...

No one cares about or watches women soccer regularly

They watch it more than the men's team.

Soccer is a women's sport over here.

Only during the world cup. You left that part out. Before the world cup does ANYONE report on womens league soccer?

If you look at attendance records at MLS vs Womens league and TV network deals. Men get better numbers. Y far.

The USWNT is better in their respective league. Absolutely. They deserve a fair cut from the USFF if they are generating more or equal to the USMNT.

And I think what's totally disregarded is the level of competition the women face vs what the mens face.
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Their pay needs to reflect marketing deals and such. Results don't always matter.
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Soccer players get paid according to their marketing and sponsorship value mainly. And the pay between players is so monumentally diverse the question doesn't really make a lot of sense. So equal pay according to what? The question doesn't even make sense to me.
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pinky0926 posted...

Soccer players get paid according to their marketing and sponsorship value mainly. And the pay between players is so monumentally diverse the question doesn't really make a lot of sense. So equal pay according to what? The question doesn't even make sense to me.

it's about the US football federation whatever they're called idk paying the women's team the same as they pay the men's team. it has nothing to do with clubs or leagues paying players the same across the board.
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chrono625 posted...

If you look at attendance records at MLS vs Womens league and TV network deals. Men get better numbers. Y far.

Nobody is arguing that their NWSL teams should pay better salaries than MLS (whose TV network deals are inflated by being bundled with the USMNT and USWNT). This is about their pay from USSF
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Antifar posted...

chrono625 posted...

If you look at attendance records at MLS vs Womens league and TV network deals. Men get better numbers. Y far.

Nobody is arguing that their NWSL teams should pay better salaries than MLS (whose TV network deals are inflated by being bundled with the USMNT and USWNT). This is about their pay from USSF

And their pay was dictated by the CBA they had negotiated in 2017 just after their last world cup.

So they can blame themselves if they feel disparaged.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Soccer players get paid according to their marketing and sponsorship value mainly. And the pay between players is so monumentally diverse the question doesn't really make a lot of sense. So equal pay according to what? The question doesn't even make sense to me.

it's about the US football federation whatever they're called idk paying the women's team the same as they pay the men's team. it has nothing to do with clubs or leagues paying players the same across the board.

Fair enough.

What is their pay predicated on, or supposed to be predicated on? Is it about performance, or attendance numbers, etc. I'm not being contentious, I just don't know.
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Silver Bearings posted...

They already get a larger percentage of the event revenue than the men's teams. The revenue for women's events is smaller by quite a bit, however. Where would the extra money to equate pay come from?

This is true when it comes to FIFA, but not true when it comes to US Soccer.
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i'm surprised nobody has tried to argue that the pride of playing for the US of A should be enough and that no financial incentive is needed and is indeed treason
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chrono625 posted...

And their pay was dictated by the CBA they had negotiated in 2017 just after their last world cup.

So they can blame themselves if they feel disparaged.

It takes two to negotiate; suggesting the results of collective bargaining is solely the whim of the union is missing half the equation. And of course, all this public discourse is part of the negotiating process.
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it's just funny to me that this is like the perfect scenario where every conceivable argument against women in an industry receiving equal pay to men isn't applicable and yet people still argue against it
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Antifar posted...

chrono625 posted...

And their pay was dictated by the CBA they had negotiated in 2017 just after their last world cup.

So they can blame themselves if they feel disparaged.

It takes two to negotiate; suggesting the results of collective bargaining is solely the whim of the union is missing half the equation. And of course, all this public discourse is part of the negotiating process.

Soccer isn't like football.

The womens national team has the leverage. They should be able to negotiate better terms because if as everyone believes they generate a ton of money they have value.

So if they feel they aren't getting their fair share, then sit out 2023.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

it's just funny to me that this is like the perfect scenario where every conceivable argument against women in an industry receiving equal pay to men isn't applicable and yet people still argue against it

I see no one saying they shouldnt be paid what they are owed. I think the argument is that theu shouldnt get paid equally simply because they want to be if theu dont bring in the same revenue a men

I personally challenge the myth that women get paid lesa simply because they are female. But i digress
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StealthRock posted...

theu shouldnt get paid equally simply because they want to be if theu dont bring in the same revenue a men

good writing my guy
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

StealthRock posted...

theu shouldnt get paid equally simply because they want to be if theu dont bring in the same revenue a men

good writing my guy

Thanks
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chrono625 posted...

Antifar posted...

chrono625 posted...

And their pay was dictated by the CBA they had negotiated in 2017 just after their last world cup.

So they can blame themselves if they feel disparaged.

It takes two to negotiate; suggesting the results of collective bargaining is solely the whim of the union is missing half the equation. And of course, all this public discourse is part of the negotiating process.

Soccer isn't like football.

The womens national team has the leverage. They should be able to negotiate better terms because if as everyone believes they generate a ton of money they have value.

So if they feel they aren't getting their fair share, then sit out 2023.

They can also just say they dont agree to the terms and not sign
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Dathrowed1 posted...

chrono625 posted...

Antifar posted...

chrono625 posted...

And their pay was dictated by the CBA they had negotiated in 2017 just after their last world cup.

So they can blame themselves if they feel disparaged.

It takes two to negotiate; suggesting the results of collective bargaining is solely the whim of the union is missing half the equation. And of course, all this public discourse is part of the negotiating process.

Soccer isn't like football.

The womens national team has the leverage. They should be able to negotiate better terms because if as everyone believes they generate a ton of money they have value.

So if they feel they aren't getting their fair share, then sit out 2023.

They can also just say they dont agree to the terms and not sign

I think sitting out and not playing sends a stronger message cause then USFF will be losing massive revenue.

The USWT has huge amounts of leverage here. They just need to parlay it better.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

it's just funny to me that this is like the perfect scenario where every conceivable argument against women in an industry receiving equal pay to men isn't applicable and yet people still argue against it

"For exposure" is fortunately still largely limited to interns and the internet, and internet interns.

The issue on hand is.... nobody cares about womens soccer outside of the world cup

so wheres the money for equal pay gonna come from?
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chrono625 posted...

I think sitting out and not playing sends a stronger message cause then USFF will be losing massive revenue.

I want to add I dont think the media will exactly alert the populace that this is what the women's team agreed to.

So they can avoid being labeled villains like AB and AD
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ScionTC_07 posted...

The issue on hand is.... nobody cares about women?s soccer outside of the world cup

so where?s the money for equal pay gonna come from?

Came in to say basically this.
Sports are more about views and advertisements than actual sportsmanship, so these women should get paid depending on how well the sport/team actually gets paid.
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ScionTC_07 posted...

The issue on hand is.... nobody cares about womens soccer outside of the world cup

so wheres the money for equal pay gonna come from?

Revenue sharing. The major difference here as opposed to other arguments for gender based inequality pay is that womens team generates equal revenue and wins.

So they have a good point

Which is why I have no issue with them getting more from the USFF.

But what does go against them is the fact they have a CBA. Which under law is a binding contract.

So all these bills that schmucks like Cuomo signed in NY mean nothing for them.
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No, men's sports and women's sports are not the same "job." They do not have the same goals or expectations of the teams. Base pay should be based on the yearly revenue of the teams along with salary negotiations if that's a thing. If there is ever a sport where the women completely dominate in all areas of revenue, then they should make more than the men.

I read somewhere that women soccer players actually get paid a higher % of overall revenue compared to their Male counterparts....not sure how true that is or not tho
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Skurvy_1 posted...

I read somewhere that women soccer players actually get paid a higher % of overall revenue compared to their Male counterparts....not sure how true that is or not tho

Women get a salary and a bonus and all women get paid regardless of whether or not they are on the game day roster.

Men only get bonuses and they don't get paid unless they make the roster.
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ScionTC_07 posted...

The issue on hand is.... nobody cares about womens soccer outside of the world cup

so wheres the money for equal pay gonna come from?

The sold out exhibitions

https://www.axios.com/us-womens-national-soccer-team-revenue-lawsuit-c7cfd02c-c087-419b-bd02-a3e4f49f6e7a.html
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Skurvy_1 posted...

I read somewhere that women soccer players actually get paid a higher % of overall revenue compared to their Male counterparts....not sure how true that is or not tho

This is true when it comes to FIFA World Cup revenue, and the payments associated with that. However, it is not true with regards to US Soccer, which is the point of contention.
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chrono625 posted...

Skurvy_1 posted...

I read somewhere that women soccer players actually get paid a higher % of overall revenue compared to their Male counterparts....not sure how true that is or not tho

Women get a salary and a bonus and all women get paid regardless of whether or not they are on the game day roster.

Men only get bonuses and they don't get paid unless they make the roster.

So women get guaranteed contracts? I'm losing sympathy here
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