Current Events > Should the women's soccer team get equal pay?

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Also how much should those 15 year olds from Dallas get for preparing them in 2017?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4389760/USA-women-s-team-suffer-5-2-loss-FC-Dallas-U-15-boys.html
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This is a really weird nothing that you are pretending to be an argument.
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The Women's soccer team actually wins....The Men's soccer team win's participation trophies....I'm just saying....
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TheVipaGTS posted...

The Women's soccer team actually wins....The Men's soccer team win's participation trophies....I'm just saying....

No one cares about or watches women soccer regularly.

The world cup is no different than the super bowl for many casuals.

It's just an event to talk about and be a part of. That's why it's a "big deal". That with all the nationalism.
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USB-C posted...

The should get an equal proportion of pay to their male counter-parts in relation to the amount of profit the business they participate in earns.

This. Which I'm sure they already are.

USMNT probably shouldn't get paid at all because it's a fucking mockery
so yeah, USWNT should get better than equal pay
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I find it weird that the men's soccer team hasn't said anything about this.
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No, def not
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shockthemonkey posted...

They bring in more revenue according to US Soccer so they should be making comparable amounts at the very least.

The problem is, generally, fifa is the one dishing out the prize money.

And they pay more to the men because that is who brings in the money.

The women benefit from the mens leagues producing such a huge revenue, they get a percentage of that to sponsor and create events like the women's world cup.

Think about it. When it isn't women's world cup time do you hear ANYTHING about women's league soccer at all?
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Do they generate equal revenue
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Should the women's soccer team get equal pay?

For equal performance and star power? Sure.

Still waiting on that though....
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They should certainly be paid more than they are now (especially the US team that's won two straight World Cups now) but paying them equally to the men when they bring in much less money just isn't economically feasible. It's unfortunate, but that's just how it goes.
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shockthemonkey posted...

chrono625 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

They bring in more revenue according to US Soccer so they should be making comparable amounts at the very least.

The problem is, generally, fifa is the one dishing out the prize money.

And they pay more to the men because that is who brings in the money.

The women benefit from the mens leagues producing such a huge revenue, they get a percentage of that to sponsor and create events like the women's world cup.

Think about it. When it isn't women's world cup time do you hear ANYTHING about women's league soccer at all?

This isnt just about prize money - its about the money paid out to them by US Soccer. If the womens team brings in more revenue even when accounting for the fact that the mens team receives more from tournaments (we dont have access to the figures, but this is whats being alleged and US Soccer hasnt denied any of those claims) then why should the women not receive comparable compensation?

Show me the numbers.

Show where they generate more than USMT or MLS.

If you can show they generate more than the mens then you have my allegiance.
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USB-C posted...

The should get an equal proportion of pay to their male counter-parts in relation to the amount of profit the business they participate in earns.

They actually get a larger share of the revenue compared to the men's team. 13% of the revenue compared to less than 7% of the revenue for the last men's World Cup.

The last Men's World Cup made over 6 billion dollars while the women's cup only made 73 million. The rest of the world cares very little about women's soccer, which is part of the reason why the US team dominates it.

Also for reference:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/03/07/world-cup-soccer-pay-disparity-between-men-and-women-is-justified/#1efcd04e6da4

shockthemonkey posted...

Calwings posted...

They should certainly be paid more than they are now (especially the US team that's won two straight World Cups now) but paying them equally to the men when they bring in much less money just isn't economically feasible. It's unfortunate, but that's just how it goes.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html

That ignores the fact that world wide revenue (and the payouts via FIFA) are incredibly higher for the men's world cup. 6 billion > 73 million.

NathanX95 posted...

USB-C posted...

The should get an equal proportion of pay to their male counter-parts in relation to the amount of profit the business they participate in earns.

This. Which I'm sure they already are.

Much bigger proportion. 23% vs 7%

https://www.washingtonpost.com/
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2019/07/09/8242cc6c-a28d-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html

Ok so then their base salaries should be comparable.

But correct me if I'm wrong, people are constantly quoting the numbers between the mens national payout last year vs women's this year. And by national I mean, worldwide.

Right?

So that still doesn't mean that FIFA national should pay out the same to the women's leagues.
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shockthemonkey posted...

They bring in more revenue according to US Soccer

You have no idea how small that subsection is compared to the world wide whole.
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chrono625 posted...

Ok so then their base salaries should be comparable.

But correct me if I'm wrong, people are constantly quoting the numbers between the mens national payout last year vs women's this year. And by national I mean, worldwide.

Right?

So that still doesn't mean that FIFA national should pay out the same to the women's leagues.

The men don't actually get a base salary at all.

garan posted...

^The men don't actually get a base salary at all.

Then there is no argument here.

If the USMT doesn't get paid during the world cup then the women earning anything from the US is gravy.

If their argument is solely, the mens world cup winner made more and we want the same, that's not going to get them anywhere once you apply basic economic principles against their demand.
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No, they should be paid more than the men's team.
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shockthemonkey posted...

OpenlyGator posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

They bring in more revenue according to US Soccer

You have no idea how small that subsection is compared to the world wide whole.

Were talking about the US team here

Read what garan wrote.

The USMT doesn't make any money from the US.

All the teams in the national circuit get paid from FIFA. So what they're arguing is that they want what France got last year for a sport and league that generates multi billions of dollars a year compared to the women's whom no one cares about when it isn't world cup time.
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They should definitely look at the numbers, and if the Women's team really does get a smaller portion of revenue, then they should make more. However if they actually make a larger portion of revenue, then either boost the men or reduce the women's pay.

Unfortunately I haven't found any definitive analysis of how much they make, you can find articles saying both women make more and men make more everywhere.
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shockthemonkey posted...

chrono625 posted...

garan posted...

^The men don't actually get a base salary at all.

Then there is no argument here.

If the USMT doesn't get paid during the world cup then the women earning anything from the US is gravy.

If their argument is solely, the mens world cup winner made more and we want the same, that's not going to get them anywhere once you apply basic economic principles against their demand.

Thats not what their argument is. Why dont you actually look it up and see what all the sides are instead of just saying whatever you feel like and hoping it applies?

Their argument is "equal pay".

And people are destroying it based on facts and economics.
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The produce as much revenue as the mens team does. Yes
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When they, as an organization, generate as much income as the man's league, then they can discuss equal pay. As it is, they don't bring in nearly enough money to justify making more than they make now. As players they already make ~20% of the total revenue of the league.
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Nah

They should probably get greater pay since they win.
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Rusty_Shacklefo posted...

Nah

They should probably get greater pay since they win.

Well, yeah, but from where does that money come?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Rusty_Shacklefo posted...

Nah

They should probably get greater pay since they win.

Well, yeah, but where does that money come from?

You shouldn't end a sentence in a preposition, so you should ask "from where does that money come" in order to be grammatically correct.
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gunplagirl posted...

You shouldn't end a sentence in a preposition, so you should ask "from where does that money come" in order to be grammatically correct.

Oopsie!

Gobstoppers12 posted...

When they, as an organization, generate as much income as the man's league, then they can discuss equal pay. As it is, they don't bring in nearly enough money to justify making more than they make now. As players they already make ~20% of the total revenue of the league.

Please don't post about things you don't know about.

1) we are not discussing leagues, but rather national teams and their pay by the US Soccer Federation
2) the 20 percent revenue figure is from the FIFA World Cup; this is not the pay that is being discussed
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Questionmarktarius posted...

gunplagirl posted...

You shouldn't end a sentence in a preposition, so you should ask "from where does that money come" in order to be grammatically correct.

Oopsie!

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The USWNT generates more revenue domestically than the USMNT. They also actually have success.

They deserve equal pay.
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Earnings

Its tough to make a straightforward comparison of the earnings for men and women players, because the two teams have different collective-bargaining agreements that outline different pay structures.

A contract player on the womens team makes a base salary and can earn performance-based bonuses. (Players without a contract have a different pay schedule.)

On the mens team, players earn only bonuses.

The teams play different numbers of games each year and earn different bonuses depending on the game type, their opponents FIFA rank and the games outcome. On top of that, both teams can earn additional bonuses for winning specific tournaments. And certain events, such as the World Cup, have a separate bonus structure entirely.

The male players are paid when they play, but not when they sit, McCann said. USMNT players must thus be on the roster to be pay eligible. USWNT players, in contrast, are guaranteed pay.

The lawsuit from the womens team sketched out the following scenario: If both teams played 20 friendlies in a year, a top-tier womens national team player would earn $164,320 less, or 38% of the compensation of a similarly situated MNT player. That was true under the previous collective-bargaining agreement that ended in December 2016.

The Fact Checker obtained the new agreement, which took effect in April 2017. Using the same 20-game scenario, we calculated the player on the womens team would earn $28,333 less, or about 89 percent of the compensation of a similarly situated mens team player. If both teams lost all 20 games, the players would make the same amount. Thats because the men earn a $5,000 bonus when they lose and the women have a $100,000 base salary.

USWNT players have previously said publicly they believed this was the best agreement they could get without going on strike. McCann said: The players unions negotiated these systems. This type of argument thus implicitly directs USWNT players to blame their own union for negotiating a system that pays them in ways they find unacceptable.

Under the womens new bargaining agreement, the players can also earn attendance bonuses, payment for commercial appearances and per diems that are equal and tied to what the men can earn.
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chrono625 posted...

McCann said: The players unions negotiated these systems. This type of argument thus implicitly directs USWNT players to blame their own union for negotiating a system that pays them in ways they find unacceptable.

Well... there you go.

It just sings to greed and selfishness under the guise of social justice to give women equal pay.

Sure they will get boat loads, but women's soccer will be killed after it

Generations of women will suffer, but the women of today don't care about that obviously.
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Dathrowed1 posted...

Sure they will get boat loads, but women's soccer will be killed after it

What are you even talking about, dude?
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When its time to negotiate again, then negotiate.

But the Women's team agreed to the terms.
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