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No_U_L7
07/08/19 8:06:20 PM
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today i had to follow up on a job interview, so i was going to call the hiring supervisor. everyone told me "ask if he's chosen the hire yet". but i'm thinking...wtf, why would i ask?

let me put it this way: if he's already chosen the hire, he'd be obligated to tell me. even if he hasn't put the offer out yet (given timeframe, it's unlikely he has tendered the offer already). when you force a binary decision, there's a 50% chance it's not going to work out in your favor

now, if i just call to say i'm following up and we have a good conversation...even if he's mentally decided on someone else, he can actually change his mind.

but it seems most guys just can't operate in that realm of uncertainty....even though statistically it's the right move. if he's already made up his mind 100%, playing things the way i did didn't make a difference than whether or not i forced a binary answer. but if he isn't sure or is willing to change his mind, my method increases my chances.

now, it may not increase it 50% or anything, but every little bit helps and adds up over time if you apply this method to all aspects of life.

and get the fuck out of here, you people that are like "if you were the best candidate, you'd get hired regardless". it's possible to be the best candidate...but have someone else who is also extremely qualified, someone who overachieved and had the best interview of his life, or maybe i interviewed at 5% less than my capabilities and that can come back to bite me.

and yes, this of course also applies to girls.

don't ask girls if they have a boyfriend. if they do, they'll tell you. if they don't, but maybe they have a fuck buddy they'll say they have a boyfriend just because they aren't sure what to call it.

life is uncertain...might as well embrace it
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Kpt_Kapowski
07/08/19 8:27:57 PM
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Patty_Fleur
07/08/19 8:33:47 PM
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I literally read this like 5 times and I dont understand what he's trying to say. Someone please translate
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0xDEFECADE
07/08/19 8:34:40 PM
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someone tl;dr
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Doe
07/08/19 8:35:59 PM
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i know exactly what you mean. today i had to follow up on a job interview, so i was going to call the hiring supervisor. everyone told me "ask if he's chosen the hire yet". but i'm thinking...wtf, why would i ask?

let me put it this way: if he's already chosen the hire, he'd be obligated to tell me. even if he hasn't put the offer out yet (given timeframe, it's unlikely he has tendered the offer already). when you force a binary decision, there's a 50% chance it's not going to work out in your favor

now, if i just call to say i'm following up and we have a good conversation...even if he's mentally decided on someone else, he can actually change his mind.

but it seems most guys just can't operate in that realm of uncertainty....even though statistically it's the right move. if he's already made up his mind 100%, playing things the way i did didn't make a difference than whether or not i forced a binary answer. but if he isn't sure or is willing to change his mind, my method increases my chances.

now, it may not increase it 50% or anything, but every little bit helps and adds up over time if you apply this method to all aspects of life.

and get the fuck out of here, you people that are like "if you were the best candidate, you'd get hired regardless". it's possible to be the best candidate...but have someone else who is also extremely qualified, someone who overachieved and had the best interview of his life, or maybe i interviewed at 5% less than my capabilities and that can come back to bite me.

and yes, this of course also applies to girls.

don't ask girls if they have a boyfriend. if they do, they'll tell you. if they don't, but maybe they have a fuck buddy they'll say they have a boyfriend just because they aren't sure what to call it.

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Lost_All_Senses
07/08/19 8:36:41 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
don't ask girls if they have a boyfriend. if they do, they'll tell you.


This is CE. They're gonna tell these guys they have a bf regardless
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0xDEFECADE
07/08/19 8:37:27 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
No_U_L7 posted...
don't ask girls if they have a boyfriend. if they do, they'll tell you.


This is CE. They're gonna tell these guys they have a bf regardless

lol
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Gobstoppers12
07/08/19 8:41:20 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
don't ask girls if they have a boyfriend

Imagine being this terrified of being shot down lmao
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No_U_L7
07/08/19 8:42:02 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
No_U_L7 posted...
don't ask girls if they have a boyfriend

Imagine being this terrified of being shot down lmao


someone didn't read the topic....
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0xDEFECADE
07/08/19 8:42:42 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
No_U_L7 posted...
don't ask girls if they have a boyfriend

Imagine being this terrified of being shot down lmao


someone didn't read the topic....

you caught me
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berlyman101
07/08/19 8:45:05 PM
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he's saying to not force people into answers. Use open questions with girls and employers to be persuasive even if someone thinks they've made up their mind because most choices aren't set in stone and people can be persuaded.

I got your back TC
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No_U_L7
07/08/19 8:45:48 PM
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berlyman101 posted...
he's saying to not force people into answers. Use open questions with girls and employers to be persuasive even if someone thinks they've made up their mind because most choices aren't set in stone and people can be persuaded.

I got your back TC


lol thanks....actually really good summary
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Gobstoppers12
07/08/19 8:46:15 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...

someone didn't read the topic....

I did. But like...asking about a boyfriend is a natural question. It's a respectful question. The concept of avoiding the asking of respectful and responsible questions just makes you seem wildly insecure.

I guess if your goal is to be a soulless hookup spammer, you can play as underhanded and dirty as you like, but that also makes you a soulless hookup spammer with no greater ambitions.
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0xDEFECADE
07/08/19 8:46:18 PM
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yeah that's good general advice
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Patty_Fleur
07/08/19 8:47:55 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
No_U_L7 posted...
don't ask girls if they have a boyfriend

Imagine being this terrified of being shot down lmao


someone didn't read the topic....


I read it 5 times though. I understand it now but I think your logic is wrong. If you're going to follow up on an interview you better damn well ask if the job is available. You need to not waste time. Some people are to kind to really tell you they found someone else if you're not direct.
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No_U_L7
07/08/19 8:48:09 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
No_U_L7 posted...

someone didn't read the topic....

I did. But like...asking about a boyfriend is a natural question. It's a respectful question. The concept of avoiding the asking of respectful and responsible questions just makes you seem wildly insecure.

I guess if your goal is to be a soulless hookup spammer, you can play as underhanded and dirty as you like, but that also makes you a soulless hookup spammer with no greater ambitions.


i'm not even going to bother responding to this since it so wildly misses the point of the entire topic. a lot of what is "natural" or "respectful" in dating is plain dumb and why a lot of guys struggle with their dating lives. i'm posting advanced advice to get people past that hump. live your life how you want...but i'm posting stuff that works and i'm posting it for a reason
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No_U_L7
07/08/19 8:48:56 PM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
I read it 5 times though. I understand it now but I think your logic is wrong. If you're going to follow up on an interview you better damn well ask if the job is available. You need to not waste time. Some people are to kind to really tell you they found someone else if you're not direct.


now you're missing the point of the topic. the person can change their mind. who cares about "wasting" an extra 2-3 minutes?
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Gobstoppers12
07/08/19 8:49:28 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
i'm posting advanced advice to get people past that hump

You're posting the kind of stuff that only works for the short-term. If you're wondering why you're still single, this is part of it.

Any idiot with a cell phone can download tinder and get laid a few times a month on average without any of your creeper techniques lmao
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Patty_Fleur
07/08/19 8:53:29 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
Patty_Fleur posted...
I read it 5 times though. I understand it now but I think your logic is wrong. If you're going to follow up on an interview you better damn well ask if the job is available. You need to not waste time. Some people are to kind to really tell you they found someone else if you're not direct.


now you're missing the point of the topic. the person can change their mind. who cares about "wasting" an extra 2-3 minutes?


If you didn't win them over during the interview you're not going to win them over on what you call a "follow-up".
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No_U_L7
07/08/19 8:56:26 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
No_U_L7 posted...
i'm posting advanced advice to get people past that hump

You're posting the kind of stuff that only works for the short-term. If you're wondering why you're still single, this is part of it.

Any idiot with a cell phone can download tinder and get laid a few times a month on average without any of your creeper techniques lmao


now you're just making assumptions and projections...

my stuff does work in the long term...it's how any relationship starts actually

i don't wonder why i'm single....i know i'm single because i'm not the relationship type. i've tried it and hate it. please don't try to shame me for my lifestyle choices, not everyone wants the same things out of life. i'm very honest with the girls i hook up with and they are perfectly ok with it. i've had girls try to go exclusive with me and i just can't do it. but my friend that is very into relationships (he'll have 1-5 open relationships going at a time) takes my advice and it works out for him too

no, tons of people get 0 matches on tinder. tons of people have trouble getting laid at all. look at this board and you'll see it's rampant

my advice is tested and works...even the top pick up artists in the world agree with me. just because you don't want to think about the science of attraction doesn't mean it doesn't exist. ignorance may be bliss for you, but some of us prefer to stay well informed
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No_U_L7
07/08/19 8:57:31 PM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
If you didn't win them over during the interview you're not going to win them over on what you call a "follow-up".


bro, this literally what i addressed in the OP. why don't you read it another 5 times
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Feline_Heart
07/08/19 8:58:00 PM
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They know if they want to hire you or not in the first 10 seconds
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No_U_L7
07/08/19 8:59:12 PM
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Feline_Heart posted...
They know if they want to hire you or not in the first 10 seconds


lmao now that's just a complete myth. now i'm not saying first impressions don't matter...but no

i've won over more people than i can count (interviews and girls) by talking for 1-2 hours. the more you talk, the larger sample size you give to illustrate your worthiness for the position
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Patty_Fleur
07/08/19 9:00:17 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
Patty_Fleur posted...
If you didn't win them over during the interview you're not going to win them over on what you call a "follow-up".


bro, this literally what i addressed in the OP. why don't you read it another 5 times


My reading comprehension level was the highest you can get in high school. Your fucking post makes no fucking sense.
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No_U_L7
07/08/19 9:01:16 PM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
My reading comprehension level was the highest you can get in high school. Your fucking post makes no fucking sense.


lmao...others seem to get it just fine

i have entire paragraphs in the OP dedicated to addressing your complaints. not my fault if you can't understand it
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Complete_Idi0t
07/08/19 9:03:56 PM
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You're not interested? Oh well let me talk at you for 2 hours to change your mind
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No_U_L7
07/08/19 9:04:41 PM
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Complete_Idi0t posted...
You're not interested? Oh well let me talk at you for 2 hours to change your mind


if a girl doesn't know you, how does she know she isn't interested?
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Gobstoppers12
07/08/19 9:05:45 PM
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Complete_Idi0t posted...
You're not interested? Oh well let me talk at you for 2 hours to change your mind

Oh God even Complete_Idi0t knows you're wrong.
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No_U_L7
07/08/19 9:08:59 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Complete_Idi0t posted...
You're not interested? Oh well let me talk at you for 2 hours to change your mind

Oh God even Complete_Idi0t knows you're wrong.


if you're agreeing with complete idiot, you may need to be the one to re-evaluate your position

if you don't want to learn pick up advice, no one is forcing you

but science is an attraction, and science does have method to the madness

all i'm doing is laying out the rules for those who can't figure it out

just because you're unaware of a rule, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it may or may not come back to bite you....people thought the earth was flat for hundreds of years
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Patty_Fleur
07/08/19 9:14:39 PM
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No_U_L7 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Complete_Idi0t posted...
You're not interested? Oh well let me talk at you for 2 hours to change your mind

Oh God even Complete_Idi0t knows you're wrong.


if you're agreeing with complete idiot, you may need to be the one to re-evaluate your position

if you don't want to learn pick up advice, no one is forcing you

but science is an attraction, and science does have method to the madness

all i'm doing is laying out the rules for those who can't figure it out

just because you're unaware of a rule, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it may or may not come back to bite you....people thought the earth was flat for hundreds of years


Shut the fuck up
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No_U_L7
07/08/19 9:15:10 PM
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Patty_Fleur posted...
Shut the fuck up


try reading the topic first lol
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Mr_LegendiaR
07/08/19 11:50:52 PM
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This is actually really good advice. Common sense, even.

When it comes to the hiring process, I usually get the job right away, but I agree nonetheless.

The Ladies tho, never ask them that. In my personal experience it's a dead end question that leaves you looking to possibly lock them down.

Even if they're all for it, they wasn't going anywhere anyways because they already like you.

Also, she WILL tell you. Might even talk shit about him for long periods.

But let her...

She's gonna insert sex somewhere in her jabbering and give you a chance to direct the conversation and score.
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No_U_L7
07/10/19 7:22:41 PM
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EXACTLY what i'm talking about here: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77854667

look at this guy get so bogged down in "maybe" that he turns it into a "no" just to have a concrete answer
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hollow_shrine
07/10/19 7:29:48 PM
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Crono99 posted...
https://frozenshock.neocities.org/pics/logic.jpg

Thanks for that. Exactly the context this topic needed.
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_Squirtle_
07/10/19 7:30:20 PM
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Why are you guys acting like OP has ever talked to a girl?

C, final answer
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CountDog
07/10/19 7:34:40 PM
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I get what your saying, but damn, just sounds like a good ol chip on the shoulder.

Not saying your wrong.
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karlpilkington4
07/10/19 7:44:20 PM
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Good topic TC. Even though I already knew all of that, it's good to keep it top of mind.
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