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Sunhawk 07/08/19 7:35:38 AM #1:	Christianity started in basically the Middle-East, and then (relatively) quickly spread to Europe, Africa, and the rest of Asia. Much later, when Westerners discovered North America and South America, it spread there too. My question is: all those people, who lived in North America and South America, before white people arrived there and spread Christianity, did they go to hell because they died without hearing about Jesus? And, if this is the case, why are they being punished for something that was clearly out of their control? --- It has been 0 days since something interesting happened. Thrill me, chill me, fulfil me. <cite>Sunhawk posted [p:924396662] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote>Christianity started in basically the Middle-East, and then (relatively) quickly spread to Europe, Africa, and the rest of Asia. Much later, when Westerners discovered North America and South America, it spread there too. My question is: all those people, who lived in North America and South America, before white people arrived there and spread Christianity, did they go to hell because they died without hearing about Jesus? And, if this is the case, why are they being punished for something that was clearly out of their control? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 07/08/19 7:37:58 AM #2:	Sins of their parents. Their ancestors should have known about God and rejected him. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:924396704] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote>Sins of their parents. Their ancestors should have known about God and rejected him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JBaLLEN66 07/08/19 7:39:12 AM #3:	Foppe posted... Sins of their parents. Their ancestors should have known about God and rejected him. Lol --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR2Iktffaw The day Capitalism was humiliated :) <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:924396728] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>Sins of their parents. Their ancestors should have known about God and rejected him.</quote> Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 07/08/19 7:40:53 AM #4:	I went to a catholic school growing up and the religion teacher told us a joke once about a missionary that spread christianity to eskimos it was something like, the missionary teaches them about jesus and how you have to believe in him to avoid going to hell one of the eskimos asks if they would've gone to hell before they learned about jesus the missionary tells them no, because it wouldn't have been their fault the eskimo asks him like "so why did you tell us" --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:924396767] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote>I went to a catholic school growing up and the religion teacher told us a joke once about a missionary that spread christianity to eskimos it was something like, the missionary teaches them about jesus and how you have to believe in him to avoid going to hell one of the eskimos asks if they would've gone to hell before they learned about jesus the missionary tells them no, because it wouldn't have been their fault the eskimo asks him like "so why did you tell us"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sunhawk 07/08/19 7:41:52 AM #5:	ThyCorndog posted... I went to a catholic school growing up and the religion teacher told us a joke once about a missionary that spread christianity to eskimos it was something like, the missionary teaches them about jesus and how you have to believe in him to avoid going to hell one of the eskimos asks if they would've gone to hell before they learned about jesus the missionary tells them no, because it wouldn't have been their fault the eskimo asks him like "so why did you tell us" I don't deny, made me laugh. It's a good, logical point there. Of course, it's not always good to mix logic and religion. --- It has been 0 days since something interesting happened. Thrill me, chill me, fulfil me. <cite>Sunhawk posted [p:924396787] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>I went to a catholic school growing up and the religion teacher told us a joke once about a missionary that spread christianity to eskimos it was something like, the missionary teaches them about jesus and how you have to believe in him to avoid going to hell one of the eskimos asks if they would've gone to hell before they learned about jesus the missionary tells them no, because it wouldn't have been their fault the eskimo asks him like "so why did you tell us"</quote> I don't deny, made me laugh. It's a good, logical point there. Of course, it's not always good to mix logic and religion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myzz7 07/08/19 7:44:16 AM #6:	At best, they go to Purgatory. Although I'm leaning towards soul obliteration in hell because original sin not cleansed by baptism is apparently that bad. --- ''If I knew how to dox people, and you lived close to me, I would beat you with a bat.'' Bad_Mojo 8/24/2018 <cite>myzz7 posted [p:924396826] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote>At best, they go to Purgatory. Although I'm leaning towards soul obliteration in hell because original sin not cleansed by baptism is apparently that bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KeepAnEyeOut 07/08/19 7:53:50 AM #7:	If we're talking about Christianity as taught in scripture alone, it's all beyond man's control. Passages on election teach that God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. --- "I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it." - Dame Edith Sitwell <cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted [p:924397013] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote>If we're talking about Christianity as taught in scripture alone, it's all beyond man's control. Passages on election teach that God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 07/08/19 7:56:33 AM #8:	The more this is thought about and discussed, the more I get all "angstiest-y", to be honest. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:924397072] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote>The more this is thought about and discussed, the more I get all "angstiest-y", to be honest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sunhawk 07/08/19 7:56:51 AM #9:	KeepAnEyeOut posted... The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. Lol. I think you should read at least a little of the Bible, before commenting on it. --- It has been 0 days since something interesting happened. Thrill me, chill me, fulfil me. <cite>Sunhawk posted [p:924397078] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> Lol. I think you should read at least a little of the Bible, before commenting on it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 07/08/19 7:56:59 AM #10:	KeepAnEyeOut posted... If we're talking about Christianity as taught in scripture alone, it's all beyond man's control. Passages on election teach that God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. isn't that calvinism? --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:924397081] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>If we're talking about Christianity as taught in scripture alone, it's all beyond man's control. Passages on election teach that God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> isn't that calvinism?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KeepAnEyeOut 07/08/19 8:04:18 AM #11:	Sunhawk posted... KeepAnEyeOut posted... The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. Lol. I think you should read at least a little of the Bible, before commenting on it. I've read the entire Bible and numerous expository texts, bub. I've wasted a good portion of my life studying Judeo-Christian theology. Read Romans 9. ThyCorndog posted... KeepAnEyeOut posted... If we're talking about Christianity as taught in scripture alone, it's all beyond man's control. Passages on election teach that God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. isn't that calvinism? Yes, but it's not accurate to say these beliefs began with John Calvin. There are multiple sections of the Bible that speak of God's purpose in choosing people for salvation and the futility of man to resist his will. And there were theologians and sects before the Reformation who realized that this was what the Bible taught, but they were mostly suppressed by the Catholic church. --- "I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it." - Dame Edith Sitwell <cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted [p:924397217] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sunhawk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> Lol. I think you should read at least a little of the Bible, before commenting on it. </quote> I've read the entire Bible and numerous expository texts, bub. I've wasted a good portion of my life studying Judeo-Christian theology. Read Romans 9. <cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>If we're talking about Christianity as taught in scripture alone, it's all beyond man's control. Passages on election teach that God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> isn't that calvinism?</quote> Yes, but it's not accurate to say these beliefs began with John Calvin. There are multiple sections of the Bible that speak of God's purpose in choosing people for salvation and the futility of man to resist his will. And there were theologians and sects before the Reformation who realized that this was what the Bible taught, but they were mostly suppressed by the Catholic church.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sunhawk 07/08/19 8:09:33 AM #12:	KeepAnEyeOut posted... I've wasted a good portion of my life studying Judeo-Christian theology Why? Where you training to be a priest or something? I assume you're now one of those obnoxious born-again atheists? --- It has been 0 days since something interesting happened. Thrill me, chill me, fulfil me. <cite>Sunhawk posted [p:924397320] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>I've wasted a good portion of my life studying Judeo-Christian theology</quote> Why? Where you training to be a priest or something? I assume you're now one of those obnoxious born-again atheists? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 07/08/19 8:12:37 AM #13:	Want an even better question? Recorded time did not start with Jesus Christ. What about all the people who lived and died before he was born? --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:924397369] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote>Want an even better question? Recorded time did not start with Jesus Christ. What about all the people who lived and died before he was born?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myzz7 07/08/19 8:24:31 AM #14:	KeepAnEyeOut posted... Yes, but it's not accurate to say these beliefs began with John Calvin. There are multiple sections of the Bible that speak of God's purpose in choosing people for salvation and the futility of man to resist his will. Sounds like old testament stuff which Jesus himself largely pushed aside. --- ''If I knew how to dox people, and you lived close to me, I would beat you with a bat.'' Bad_Mojo 8/24/2018 <cite>myzz7 posted [p:924397570] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, but it's not accurate to say these beliefs began with John Calvin. There are multiple sections of the Bible that speak of God's purpose in choosing people for salvation and the futility of man to resist his will.</quote> Sounds like old testament stuff which Jesus himself largely pushed aside.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sunhawk 07/08/19 8:26:15 AM #15:	Ilishe posted... Want an even better question? Recorded time did not start with Jesus Christ. What about all the people who lived and died before he was born? But that was okay, because Judiasm was around for a long, long time. Before Jesus came, God wanted people to be Jewish. Jews have been around for, what, 5,000 years? --- It has been 0 days since something interesting happened. Thrill me, chill me, fulfil me. <cite>Sunhawk posted [p:924397611] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ilishe posted...</cite> <quote>Want an even better question? Recorded time did not start with Jesus Christ. What about all the people who lived and died before he was born?</quote> But that was okay, because Judiasm was around for a long, long time. Before Jesus came, God wanted people to be Jewish. Jews have been around for, what, 5,000 years? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KeepAnEyeOut 07/08/19 8:31:11 AM #16:	myzz7 posted... KeepAnEyeOut posted... Yes, but it's not accurate to say these beliefs began with John Calvin. There are multiple sections of the Bible that speak of God's purpose in choosing people for salvation and the futility of man to resist his will. Sounds like old testament stuff which Jesus himself largely pushed aside. No, there are even direct quotations from Jesus that point to election. John 6 is a major passage in relation to the subject. And Jesus didn't "push the Old Testament" aside. Christianity can't be properly understood without a grounded knowledge of the OT and that's plainly obvious in the words of Jesus. --- "I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it." - Dame Edith Sitwell <cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted [p:924397688] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, but it's not accurate to say these beliefs began with John Calvin. There are multiple sections of the Bible that speak of God's purpose in choosing people for salvation and the futility of man to resist his will.</quote> Sounds like old testament stuff which Jesus himself largely pushed aside.</quote> No, there are even direct quotations from Jesus that point to election. John 6 is a major passage in relation to the subject. And Jesus didn't "push the Old Testament" aside. Christianity can't be properly understood without a grounded knowledge of the OT and that's plainly obvious in the words of Jesus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KeepAnEyeOut 07/08/19 8:32:10 AM #17:	Sunhawk posted... KeepAnEyeOut posted... I've wasted a good portion of my life studying Judeo-Christian theology Why? Where you training to be a priest or something? I assume you're now one of those obnoxious born-again atheists? No, but I was extremely zealous. And no, I'm not an atheist but I don't have any particular religious beliefs. --- "I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it." - Dame Edith Sitwell <cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted [p:924397710] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sunhawk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>I've wasted a good portion of my life studying Judeo-Christian theology</quote> Why? Where you training to be a priest or something? I assume you're now one of those obnoxious born-again atheists? </quote> No, but I was extremely zealous. And no, I'm not an atheist but I don't have any particular religious beliefs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JScriv 07/08/19 8:39:11 AM #18:	No, I dont believe so. People who had no way of knowing about Jesus before they die are not guilty. Only people that learn about Jesus and choose to reject him are punished. Source: My wifes an ordained minister under the Nazarene church myzz7 posted... At best, they go to Purgatory. Although I'm leaning towards soul obliteration in hell because original sin not cleansed by baptism is apparently that bad. Theres no scriptural evidence of Purgatory. We are also not born sinners, but we have the propensity to commit sin. Babies and children are innocent. KeepAnEyeOut posted... If we're talking about Christianity as taught in scripture alone, it's all beyond man's control. Passages on election teach that God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. Youre getting into Calvinism vs. Arminianism. I subscribe to Arminianism personally, I believe there is a stronger scriptural argument to be had for it. --- Stretch the bones over my skin, stretch the skin over my head I'm going to the holy land <cite>JScriv posted [p:924397846] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote>No, I dont believe so. People who had no way of knowing about Jesus before they die are not guilty. Only people that learn about Jesus and choose to reject him are punished. Source: My wifes an ordained minister under the Nazarene church <cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote>At best, they go to Purgatory. Although I'm leaning towards soul obliteration in hell because original sin not cleansed by baptism is apparently that bad.</quote> Theres no scriptural evidence of Purgatory. We are also not born sinners, but we have the propensity to commit sin. Babies and children are innocent. <cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>If we're talking about Christianity as taught in scripture alone, it's all beyond man's control. Passages on election teach that God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> Youre getting into Calvinism vs. Arminianism. I subscribe to Arminianism personally, I believe there is a stronger scriptural argument to be had for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sunhawk 07/08/19 8:42:05 AM #19:	JScriv posted... Theres no scriptural evidence of Purgatory. Yeah. About this. When and where did the idea of Purgatory come from? I can't remember any mention in Bible itself. --- It has been 0 days since something interesting happened. Thrill me, chill me, fulfil me. <cite>Sunhawk posted [p:924397903] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>JScriv posted...</cite> <quote>Theres no scriptural evidence of Purgatory.</quote> Yeah. About this. When and where did the idea of Purgatory come from? I can't remember any mention in Bible itself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myzz7 07/08/19 8:43:57 AM #20:	JScriv posted... Theres no scriptural evidence of Purgatory. We are also not born sinners, but we have the propensity to commit sin. Babies and children are innocent. Pretty hard to even classify yourself or someone as Christian if you don't believe in original sin. For what purpose did Jesus give himself up to be sacrificed on the cross? --- ''If I knew how to dox people, and you lived close to me, I would beat you with a bat.'' Bad_Mojo 8/24/2018 <cite>myzz7 posted [p:924397939] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>JScriv posted...</cite> <quote>Theres no scriptural evidence of Purgatory. We are also not born sinners, but we have the propensity to commit sin. Babies and children are innocent. </quote> Pretty hard to even classify yourself or someone as Christian if you don't believe in original sin. For what purpose did Jesus give himself up to be sacrificed on the cross?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chicken 07/08/19 8:46:30 AM #21:	When the New Testament came out do you think people bitched about how it wasnt a proper sequel and deviated too far from what fans liked about the original? --- https://youtu.be/jGbI0P4hh3o <cite>Chicken posted [p:924397994] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote>When the New Testament came out do you think people bitched about how it wasnt a proper sequel and deviated too far from what fans liked about the original?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JScriv 07/08/19 8:46:34 AM #22:	myzz7 posted... JScriv posted... Theres no scriptural evidence of Purgatory. We are also not born sinners, but we have the propensity to commit sin. Babies and children are innocent. Pretty hard to even classify yourself or someone as Christian if you don't believe in original sin. For what purpose did Jesus give himself up to be sacrificed on the cross? Original sin refers to Adam and Eves sin IIRC, not the same thing as being born sinners. The belief that we are born sinners is largely a Catholic thing, many denoms do not subscribe to that. --- Stretch the bones over my skin, stretch the skin over my head I'm going to the holy land <cite>JScriv posted [p:924397997] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JScriv posted...</cite> <quote>Theres no scriptural evidence of Purgatory. We are also not born sinners, but we have the propensity to commit sin. Babies and children are innocent. </quote> Pretty hard to even classify yourself or someone as Christian if you don't believe in original sin. For what purpose did Jesus give himself up to be sacrificed on the cross?</quote> Original sin refers to Adam and Eves sin IIRC, not the same thing as being born sinners. The belief that we are born sinners is largely a Catholic thing, many denoms do not subscribe to that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myzz7 07/08/19 8:56:27 AM #23:	30 years war CEman edition time. --- ''If I knew how to dox people, and you lived close to me, I would beat you with a bat.'' Bad_Mojo 8/24/2018 <cite>myzz7 posted [p:924398201] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote>30 years war CEman edition time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 07/08/19 8:56:44 AM #24:	Chicken posted... When the New Testament came out do you think people bitched about how it wasnt a proper sequel and deviated too far from what fans liked about the original? that's why there's so many denominations --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:924398205] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote>When the New Testament came out do you think people bitched about how it wasnt a proper sequel and deviated too far from what fans liked about the original?</quote> that's why there's so many denominations</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/08/19 9:04:20 AM #25:	KeepAnEyeOut posted... God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people --- Unfortunately some people are just not built to make it, their habits and instincts will put them right back to struggle. <cite>Yao posted [p:924398393] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 07/08/19 9:15:59 AM #26:	Yao posted... KeepAnEyeOut posted... God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people Basically we got three options. 1; Your human mind is too weak to understand the complex plot of God. 2; They are the result of events that must happen for us to be able to live on this planet. 3; God is an asshole. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:924398679] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people</quote> Basically we got three options. 1; Your human mind is too weak to understand the complex plot of God. 2; They are the result of events that must happen for us to be able to live on this planet. 3; God is an asshole.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0xDEFECADE 07/08/19 9:18:07 AM #27:	ThyCorndog posted... the missionary teaches them about jesus and how you have to believe in him to avoid going to hell one of the eskimos asks if they would've gone to hell before they learned about jesus the missionary tells them no, because it wouldn't have been their fault the eskimo asks him like "so why did you tell us" I love that punchline --- 1101 1110 1111 1110 1100 1010 1101 1110 one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>0xDEFECADE posted [p:924398735] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>the missionary teaches them about jesus and how you have to believe in him to avoid going to hell one of the eskimos asks if they would've gone to hell before they learned about jesus the missionary tells them no, because it wouldn't have been their fault the eskimo asks him like "so why did you tell us"</quote> I love that punchline</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/08/19 9:19:15 AM #28:	Foppe posted... Yao posted... KeepAnEyeOut posted... God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people Basically we got three options. 1; Your human mind is too weak to understand the complex plot of God. 2; They are the result of events that must happen for us to be able to live on this planet. 3; God is an asshole. Okay well let's go from there then 1. That is not an argument for God 2. If God is all powerful he could have created a different timeline of events and not had Innocent people be killed but he didnt bother to 3. He always was --- Unfortunately some people are just not built to make it, their habits and instincts will put them right back to struggle. <cite>Yao posted [p:924398760] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people</quote> Basically we got three options. 1; Your human mind is too weak to understand the complex plot of God. 2; They are the result of events that must happen for us to be able to live on this planet. 3; God is an asshole.</quote> Okay well let's go from there then 1. That is not an argument for God 2. If God is all powerful he could have created a different timeline of events and not had Innocent people be killed but he didnt bother to 3. He always was</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 07/08/19 9:21:05 AM #29:	Yao posted... KeepAnEyeOut posted... God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people Because it's false and borderline blasphemous. There exists an elect group, but those are separate from those saved by general salvation. There would be no need for the Gospel to be spread and a general call for the whole world to be saved if only the elect could be saved: Jesus could easily just give every elect person a "road to Damascus experience" like he did Saul of Tarsus. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:924398800] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote> God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people</quote> Because it's false and borderline blasphemous. There exists an elect group, but those are separate from those saved by general salvation. There would be no need for the Gospel to be spread and a general call for the whole world to be saved if only the elect could be saved: Jesus could easily just give every elect person a "road to Damascus experience" like he did Saul of Tarsus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/08/19 9:22:59 AM #30:	Paragon21XX posted... Yao posted... KeepAnEyeOut posted... God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people Because it's false and borderline blasphemous. There exists an elect group, but those are separate from those saved by general salvation. There would be no need for the Gospel to be spread and a general call for the whole world to be saved if only the elect could be saved: Jesus could easily just give every elect person a "road to Damascus experience" like he did Saul of Tarsus. Because when you're literally God the all knowing all powerful all loving creator of the universe this... this scenario makes the most sense --- Unfortunately some people are just not built to make it, their habits and instincts will put them right back to struggle. <cite>Yao posted [p:924398860] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote> God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people</quote> Because it's false and borderline blasphemous. There exists an elect group, but those are separate from those saved by general salvation. There would be no need for the Gospel to be spread and a general call for the whole world to be saved if only the elect could be saved: Jesus could easily just give every elect person a "road to Damascus experience" like he did Saul of Tarsus.</quote> Because when you're literally God the all knowing all powerful all loving creator of the universe this... this scenario makes the most sense</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 07/08/19 9:23:45 AM #31:	Yao posted... Foppe posted... Yao posted... KeepAnEyeOut posted... God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible. God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people Basically we got three options. 1; Your human mind is too weak to understand the complex plot of God. 2; They are the result of events that must happen for us to be able to live on this planet. 3; God is an asshole. Okay well let's go from there then 1. That is not an argument for God 2. If God is all powerful he could have created a different timeline of events and not had Innocent people be killed but he didnt bother to 3. He always was To quote The Book of Cataclysm... "Here!" said the Master. "Build me a great tomb in this place." His apprentices did. It glittered in the sun. "Now go inside," said he. They entered. An earthquake then destroyed the tomb, burying those within. The Master smiled. "Even the faithful are not always chosen. This is called sacrifice." --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:924398873] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KeepAnEyeOut posted...</cite> <quote>God chose who was going to be saved before the foundation of the world. The concept of free will is pretty much totally absent from the Bible.</quote> God sounds pretty judgmental here and if free will doesnt exist why did God give us natural disasters knowing he was gunna whipe out people</quote> Basically we got three options. 1; Your human mind is too weak to understand the complex plot of God. 2; They are the result of events that must happen for us to be able to live on this planet. 3; God is an asshole.</quote> Okay well let's go from there then 1. That is not an argument for God 2. If God is all powerful he could have created a different timeline of events and not had Innocent people be killed but he didnt bother to 3. He always was</quote> To quote The Book of Cataclysm... "Here!" said the Master. "Build me a great tomb in this place." His apprentices did. It glittered in the sun. "Now go inside," said he. They entered. An earthquake then destroyed the tomb, burying those within. The Master smiled. "Even the faithful are not always chosen. This is called sacrifice."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthWendy 07/08/19 10:24:56 AM #32:	Excellent question. It actually was the whole core of the matter in the famous Valladolid Controversy of 1551, a fascinating heated debate between scholars, the point being to determine whether the Native Americans (more specifically the Native South-Americans) actually had a soul and therefore whether or not they could be Christianised and saved. --- Ave Caesar, Rosae Rosam et Spiritus Rex ! - Voila, ca ne veut absolument rien dire mais l'effet reste le meme https://i.imgtc.com/eRE0ORV.jpg <cite>DarthWendy posted [p:924400765] in Something ... [t:77848595]...</cite> <quote>Excellent question. It actually was the whole core of the matter in the famous Valladolid Controversy of 1551, a fascinating heated debate between scholars, the point being to determine whether the Native Americans (more specifically the Native South-Americans) actually had a soul and therefore whether or not they could be Christianised and saved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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