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hockeybub89 05/15/19 2:54:15 AM #52: |
iClockwork posted...
Its morally reprehensible to kill people just because something bad happened. It's morally reprehensible to force a human to void their bodily autonomy to sustain another. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MwarriorHiei 05/15/19 2:57:46 AM #53: |
Iampony1 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...iClockwork posted..._Rinku_ posted...Good thing no people are being killed. cardiac cells beat autonomously. and brain activity does not mean consciousness. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DezDroppedFreak 05/15/19 2:58:05 AM #54: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
_Rinku_ posted...Duncanwii posted...Just do it anyway. Or drive to a state where it is legal. If no one fights injustice then injustice wins and the only way to fight injustice is to disobey it. CE Shitposting OVERDRIIIIIIIIIIVE --- I feel like Ratatouille when I'm whipping that cheddar ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 05/15/19 3:00:13 AM #55: |
MwarriorHiei posted...
Iampony1 posted..._Rinku_ posted...iClockwork posted..._Rinku_ posted...Good thing no people are being killed. They're confusing human and person, though no human of any form has a right to your body, making the conversation irrelevant. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 05/15/19 3:10:13 AM #56: |
Honestly, I don't really like the person argument. Personhood is essentially the scale used to determine who or what we consider worthy of moral consideration and to what degree. It's an interesting conversation, but I don't really want something with such vague criteria being used as the basis for important moral standards if at all possible.
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Oatcakes 05/15/19 3:16:38 AM #57: |
iClockwork posted...
Its morally reprehensible to kill people just because something bad happened. Don't you support the death penalty? --- F.C. Stokalona https://imgur.com/CJ0dPBq ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iClockwork 05/15/19 3:17:56 AM #58: |
Oatcakes posted...
Don't you support the death penalty? uh no... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Oatcakes 05/15/19 3:18:03 AM #59: |
Iampony1 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...iClockwork posted..._Rinku_ posted...Good thing no people are being killed. Cows have a heartbeat and brain activity. You gonna go vegan now? --- F.C. Stokalona https://imgur.com/CJ0dPBq ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Oatcakes 05/15/19 3:18:40 AM #60: |
iClockwork posted...
Oatcakes posted...Don't you support the death penalty? Good --- F.C. Stokalona https://imgur.com/CJ0dPBq ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turtlebread 05/15/19 3:48:21 AM #61: |
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Questionmarktarius 05/15/19 3:49:28 AM #62: |
Turtlebread posted...
Id abort 1000 fetuses if it meant preserving the life of one human. wasn't that a South Park episode? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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marc55 05/15/19 9:29:17 AM #63: |
Oatcakes posted...
Iampony1 posted..._Rinku_ posted...iClockwork posted..._Rinku_ posted...Good thing no people are being killed. but going by the " they are just parasites " logic this man shouldnt been charged with attempted murder https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/chesapeake/man-charged-with-attempted-murder-of-unborn-child-in-chesapeake/1919846206 abortion may be necessary to save the mother life like when an 11 year old gets pregnant but calling babies parasites doesnt make any sense --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 05/15/19 10:25:23 AM #64: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
_Rinku_ posted...Duncanwii posted...Just do it anyway. Or drive to a state where it is legal. If no one fights injustice then injustice wins and the only way to fight injustice is to disobey it. You do realize the "cost" is not just the bus ticket, right? First, even from Atlanta to say Tallahasse, a round trip is going to be 70. A motel room might be needed, you don't just spread your legs and go back to regular everyday exercise. If the person has an hourly job, they won't have sick time and will have to eat a few days without pay. On a different note, are you saying people with more means (and thus could afford to travel out of state) should have more access to abortion? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kitt 05/15/19 10:33:29 AM #65: |
U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!
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MrPeppers 05/15/19 10:35:39 AM #66: |
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Questionmarktarius 05/15/19 10:47:15 AM #67: |
Ruvan22 posted...
On a different note, are you saying people with more means (and thus could afford to travel out of state) should have more access to abortion? Doesn't a person with more means have more access to everything? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BENGHAZl 05/15/19 10:55:41 AM #68: |
Religion of peace
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Ruvan22 05/15/19 11:33:16 AM #69: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Ruvan22 posted...On a different note, are you saying people with more means (and thus could afford to travel out of state) should have more access to abortion? True, but it's not usually endorsed by the government (why we don't a have a poll tax) - and why we work to level it out (scholarships/school busing/etc). You didn't answer the question - are you saying those with more means should have more access to abortion? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkRoast 05/15/19 11:36:25 AM #70: |
None of these laws have been enforced because they're all tied up (and rightfully so) in lawsuits.
This will be no different. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CanuckCowboy 05/15/19 11:37:26 AM #71: |
As of 8:37am today 9 people on ce are fucking batshit insane.
--- "I got a rollatruc, look." ~Misanthropic drunken loner~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/15/19 11:37:30 AM #72: |
Ruvan22 posted...
are you saying those with more means should have more access to abortion? Don't deal in "should". Idealism never helps anything. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yazarogi 05/15/19 11:38:34 AM #73: |
Don't bother trying to get an actual response out of those pro-lifers. All they have to retort with is jokes and being bullish because they know they are flat in the wrong.
Pay them no mind, and vote blue next cycle. --- "There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust." - Pinbacker ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 05/15/19 11:51:38 AM #74: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Ruvan22 posted...are you saying those with more means should have more access to abortion? Ok so a few points: 1) Your "spend 30 dollars and just hop a bus to another state" is a "they should do this hypothetical"? 2) Are you saying that the idealism of pro lifers never helped anything? 3) On a broader level, are you saying that idealism in general has never helped the human race? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Iampony1 05/15/19 7:50:36 PM #75: |
Oatcakes posted...
Iampony1 posted..._Rinku_ posted...iClockwork posted..._Rinku_ posted...Good thing no people are being killed. Are you wanna eat a fetus? Are you against the idea of 2 people taking responsibility now? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/15/19 8:10:58 PM #76: |
Ruvan22 posted...
3) On a broader level, are you saying that idealism in general has never helped the human race? Not by itself, no. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Webmaster4531 05/15/19 8:21:15 PM #77: |
Iampony1 posted...
Oatcakes posted...Iampony1 posted..._Rinku_ posted...iClockwork posted..._Rinku_ posted...Good thing no people are being killed. I'd eat a fetus. You know the topic is about a raped 11 year old? She shouldn't be taking "responsibility" for being raped. --- Ad Hominem. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 05/15/19 9:04:32 PM #78: |
Whether someone is being responsible or not is independent of whether they are allowed to get an abortion.
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trappedunderice 05/15/19 9:07:12 PM #79: |
--- He should have armed himself if he's gonna decorate his saloon with my friend. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/15/19 9:09:45 PM #80: |
People are literally defending this
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Webmaster4531 05/15/19 9:14:18 PM #81: |
Dragonblade01 posted...
Whether someone is being responsible or not is independent of whether they are allowed to get an abortion. So do you agree or not with allowing a raped child to have an abortion? --- Ad Hominem. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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inloveanddeath0 05/15/19 9:15:07 PM #82: |
marc55 posted...
isnt she too young to survive pregnancy ? Girls younger than that have survived it's just more risky --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 05/15/19 10:01:21 PM #83: |
Webmaster4531 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...Whether someone is being responsible or not is independent of whether they are allowed to get an abortion. I think any pregnant woman (or child, in this case) should be allowed to get an abortion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 05/15/19 10:02:20 PM #84: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Ruvan22 posted...3) On a broader level, are you saying that idealism in general has never helped the human race? So why do you say "Idealism never helps anything"? And please answer my other two questions. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/15/19 10:11:11 PM #85: |
Ruvan22 posted...
And please answer my other two questions. k 1) Your "spend 30 dollars and just hop a bus to another state" is a "they should do this hypothetical"? "This opportunity exists" is a "could" instead of a "should". 2) Are you saying that the idealism of pro lifers never helped anything? Maybe when it resulted in the action of resurrecting the idea of baby hatches. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 05/15/19 10:26:38 PM #86: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Ruvan22 posted...And please answer my other two questions. Ok thanks, looks like you still stand by your statement "Idealism never helped anything" then? You've stated that all babies should be carried to term, isn't that a "should" ? Please clarify your thesis statement. Do you still believe going across state lines for an abortion is a viable option for everybody? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/15/19 10:34:30 PM #87: |
Ruvan22 posted...
You've stated that all babies should be carried to term, isn't that a "should" ? Please clarify your thesis statement. That wasn't me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 05/16/19 12:37:35 AM #88: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Ruvan22 posted...You've stated that all babies should be carried to term, isn't that a "should" ? Please clarify your thesis statement. Ok that's why I'm asking you to clarify your position - I recall you saying a woman could pay 30 to go to another state, but you also believe abortion should be available? Also, please stop responding selectively - my other two questions from the last post: "Ok thanks, looks like you still stand by your statement "Idealism never helped anything" then?" "Do you still believe going across state lines for an abortion is a viable option for everybody?" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 05/16/19 12:43:51 AM #89: |
Duncanwii posted...
Just do it anyway. Or drive to a state where it is legal. If no one fights injustice then injustice wins and the only way to fight injustice is to disobey it. Sadly some of states thought about that. Georgia I believe. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/16/19 12:58:57 AM #90: |
Ruvan22 posted...
but you also believe abortion should be available? Yes, and it is. You may just have to hop a bus across the state to get one done. Better yet, get the hell out of that state entirely if it sucks so bad. If you're a citizen or legal resident, the whole country is yours to go live in. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/16/19 4:43:43 AM #91: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Ruvan22 posted...but you also believe abortion should be available? That's a horrible attitude --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mybbqrules 05/16/19 10:22:11 AM #92: |
MwarriorHiei posted...
Iampony1 posted..._Rinku_ posted...iClockwork posted..._Rinku_ posted...Good thing no people are being killed. This. Show of hands, how many people remember their time in the womb? No one? Ok. --- "Remember, it's called the 'American dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it." - George Carlin ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 05/16/19 11:35:48 AM #93: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Ruvan22 posted...but you also believe abortion should be available? So you oppose the rider in the GA law that makes it illegal to leave the state and get an abortion? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 05/16/19 12:14:34 PM #94: |
Ruvan22 posted...
So you oppose the rider in the GA law that makes it illegal to leave the state and get an abortion? Extraterritorial jurisdiction is always bad. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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