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averagejoel
12/27/18 10:30:16 AM
#1:


(I mean, not only in the sense that they're fascists, but also that they threw the first punch)

https://t.co/dZ6m1FYx5F

(its nyt)

Though Mr. McInnes has said he disavows racism, he wrote that the prominent white nationalist Richard B. Spencer comes across as perfectly reasonable in conversation, and he said Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, who is black, is kind of like Sambo. When he quit the group, he blamed rumors and lies and terrible journalism for undermining the greatest fraternal organization in the world.

This whole idea of white nationalists and white supremacy is a crock, he added. Such people dont exist.

At the same time, previously unreleased video obtained by The New York Times shows that the Proud Boys initiated the attack in Manhattan against a handful of anti-fascist protesters, not the other way around, as Mr. McInnes had initially said.

Prosecutors said at court appearances for some of the accused Proud Boys members that video evidence will prove that the Proud Boys started the fight.

Asked about the Proud Boys, John Miller, deputy police commissioner for intelligence and counterterrorism, confirmed that incidents like this make it more likely that theyll be higher on the radar.

Enrique Tarrio, chairman of the administrative chapter of the Proud Boys, maintained that the group repudiates hate and racism and pointed out it has ordered white supremacists to leave its events in the past.

The violence started on Oct. 12 shortly after Mr. McInnes gave a speech at the Metropolitan Republican Club on East 83rd Street, a bastion of establishment conservatism.

Outside a crowd of left-wing protesters chanted No Nazis, No KKK, No fascist U.S.A. After the event, the police kept the attendees and protesters separate, but a handful of leftists, wearing masks, circled the block and tried to intercept the Proud Boys on East 82d Street, the police said.

The security video from a nearby building shows that at 8:19 p.m. two men in Proud Boys shirts, Maxwell Hare and Geoffrey Young, strode briskly east from Park Avenue on 82nd Street toward about six protesters some 100 feet away.

Then, Mr. Hare charged the leftists, and a protester threw a plastic water bottle, which sailed past him, the video shows. Mr. Hare crashed into one of the protesters, hurling punches.

Just before he charged, another video filmed by a freelance videographer recorded that someone yelled: Proud Boys! You ready? Proud Boys!

Within seconds more men rushed down the block from Park Avenue and joined the fray, the two videos show. The brawl lasted about 60 seconds.

A third video filmed by a man who was with the Proud Boys showed Mr. Hare and others after the fight exulting about smashing the head of a foreigner.

Both Mr. Young and Mr. Hare have pleaded not guilty and claim through their lawyers they were attacked.

One challenge facing prosecutors is that the victims of the attack have refused to cooperate with the authorities, which means the case will rely heavily on videos from security cameras and onlookers.

The indictment refers to the victims as Shaved Head, Pony Tail, Khaki and Spiky Belt.

The identity of these Antifa members remains unknown, Joshua Steinglass, an assistant district attorney, told a judge at an arraignment for seven of the defendants on Dec. 14.


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Romulox28
12/27/18 10:31:09 AM
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the last time i clicked on a link about the proudboys it was gavin mcinnes stretching out his butthole
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Dampproof
12/27/18 10:38:08 AM
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Did anyone really believe the Proud Boys weren't instigators of <enter incident here>?
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averagejoel
12/27/18 10:38:15 AM
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Romulox28 posted...
the last time i clicked on a link about the proudboys it was gavin mcinnes stretching out his butthole

it's a New York Times article. I just wasn't sure if the full url would work on here so I used the shortened one

also I don't want to get banned lol
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averagejoel
12/27/18 10:39:10 AM
#5:


Dampproof posted...
Did anyone really believe the Proud Boys weren't instigators of <enter incident here>?

keep in mind which board we're on
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Doom_Art
12/27/18 10:39:10 AM
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Yeah well the Proud Boys may have instigated this fight but *deflection to Antifa and the left*
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The Great Muta 22
12/27/18 10:47:02 AM
#7:


averagejoel posted...
The violence started on Oct. 12 shortly after Mr. McInnes gave a speech at the Metropolitan Republican Club on East 83rd Street, a bastion of establishment conservatism.


This right here is the problem. The establishment GOP wants to pretend they aren't the party of these people yet they keep inviting them to speak at their major events. No different than when they invited Milo to fucking CPAC before his whole pedo shit was outed, or having things like Gab sponsor the Turning Points USA's Student Action Summit event hosted at Mar-a-Lago. They want to associate and court these people but don't actually want the heat when people point this shit out.
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Were_Wyrm
12/27/18 10:48:52 AM
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I'd be angry too if the organization I was a part of had such a cringy name...
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Anteaterking
12/27/18 10:51:52 AM
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averagejoel
12/27/18 2:47:50 PM
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also remember that there were like 50 cops there who basically just watched this shit happen and arrested protestors
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/27/18 2:50:15 PM
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averagejoel posted...
also remember that there were like 50 cops there who basically just watched this shit happen and arrested protestors


you should hear what the cops were doing at the Tulsa massacre. it's wild how people don't pay attention to resumes, patterns and timelines.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/27/18 2:52:33 PM
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In other news, video shows that the surface of the sun is not 0 degrees Kelvin
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/27/18 2:55:55 PM
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Dampproof posted...
Did anyone really believe the Proud Boys weren't instigators of <enter incident here>?


I know someone with at least some familiarity with them and what they are about. @Jorep. Thoughts?
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sobergermanguy
12/27/18 2:58:12 PM
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Dampproof posted...
Did anyone really believe the Proud Boys weren't instigators of <enter incident here>?

Wait for all the facts, etc..
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Webmaster4531
12/27/18 3:03:35 PM
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Dampproof posted...
Did anyone really believe the Proud Boys weren't instigators of <enter incident here>?

I don't remember.

I bet Conflict, Zikten, and or Darkjedilink.

I'm so bad remembering racists besides The_Admiral.
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gatorsPENSbucs
12/27/18 3:12:14 PM
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Oh shit, so throwing a water bottle and initiating contact doesn't mean you started it? Interesting, and good to know.
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Bishop9800
12/27/18 3:15:10 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Oh shit, so throwing a water bottle and initiating contact doesn't mean you started it? Interesting, and good to know.


Anything to defend your "boys in the hood" I see......
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averagejoel
12/27/18 3:15:17 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Oh shit, so throwing a water bottle and initiating contact doesn't mean you started it? Interesting, and good to know.

what
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/27/18 3:33:00 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Oh shit, so throwing a water bottle and initiating contact doesn't mean you started it? Interesting, and good to know.


Anything to defend your "boys in the hood" I see......


there's a pattern with his type having such furious styles
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The Great Muta 22
12/27/18 3:48:40 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Oh shit, so throwing a water bottle and initiating contact doesn't mean you started it? Interesting, and good to know.


Can you read?

The security video from a nearby building shows that at 8:19 p.m. two men in Proud Boys shirts, Maxwell Hare and Geoffrey Young, strode briskly east from Park Avenue on 82nd Street toward about six protesters some 100 feet away.

Then, Mr. Hare charged the leftists, and a protester threw a plastic water bottle, which sailed past him, the video shows. Mr. Hare crashed into one of the protesters, hurling punches.

Just before he charged, another video filmed by a freelance videographer recorded that someone yelled: Proud Boys! You ready? Proud Boys!


So 2 Proud Boys began charging towards the protesters, one of the protesters threw a plastic water bottle and missed him, then a Proud Boy yelled out "YOU READY!?", and Proud Boy Hare himself charged at the protesters and began throwing punches.

Jfc, what the fuck is your problem today?
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Bossdog421
12/27/18 3:50:44 PM
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I don't know much about this situation but from this article you posted... some lefties in masks stalked these guys after a right wing event then threw a bottle at them. Sounds like the lefties were the ones starting shit.
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The Great Muta 22
12/27/18 3:55:49 PM
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Bossdog421 posted...
I don't know much about this situation but from this article you posted... some lefties in masks stalked these guys after a right wing event then threw a bottle at them. Sounds like the lefties were the ones starting shit.


Good thing the court will likely feel differently
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Heineken14
12/27/18 3:59:05 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Yeah well the Proud Boys may have instigated this fight but *deflection to Antifa and the left*


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Blue_Dream87
12/27/18 4:11:29 PM
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If they pulled guns on them, deplorables will still shill by saying "well they threw a bottle before they shot! Damn leftists playing victim"
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averagejoel
12/27/18 4:13:01 PM
#25:


Bossdog421 posted...
I don't know much about this situation but from this article you posted... some lefties in masks stalked these guys after a right wing event then threw a bottle at them. Sounds like the lefties were the ones starting shit.

anything done to a fascist is self defense
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Giant_Aspirin
12/27/18 4:14:13 PM
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Bossdog421 posted...
I don't know much about this situation but from this article you posted... some lefties in masks stalked these guys after a right wing event then threw a bottle at them. Sounds like the lefties were the ones starting shit.


i think you missed a part

Then, Mr. Hare charged the leftists, and a protester threw a plastic water bottle, which sailed past him, the video shows. Mr. Hare crashed into one of the protesters, hurling punches.
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Ryuko_Chan
12/27/18 4:19:04 PM
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averagejoel posted...
Bossdog421 posted...
I don't know much about this situation but from this article you posted... some lefties in masks stalked these guys after a right wing event then threw a bottle at them. Sounds like the lefties were the ones starting shit.

anything done to a fascist is self defense

uh
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A_Good_Boy
12/27/18 4:21:31 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Bossdog421 posted...
I don't know much about this situation but from this article you posted... some lefties in masks stalked these guys after a right wing event then threw a bottle at them. Sounds like the lefties were the ones starting shit.

anything done to a fascist is self defense

uh

Problem?
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averagejoel
12/27/18 4:37:18 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Bossdog421 posted...
I don't know much about this situation but from this article you posted... some lefties in masks stalked these guys after a right wing event then threw a bottle at them. Sounds like the lefties were the ones starting shit.

anything done to a fascist is self defense

uh

fascism is an inherently violent ideology. genocide is a core tenet of it.

anyone who would be marginalized under fascism (people of colour, women, LGBT+ people, religious minorities, disabled people, etc.) is threatened by the existence of the ideology. Anyone who follows the ideology is inherently a threat to their safety. For all those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self defense.
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ultimate reaver
12/27/18 4:43:32 PM
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fBlue_Dream87 posted...
If they pulled guns on them, deplorables will still shill by saying "well they threw a bottle before they shot! Damn leftists playing victim"


Internet conservatives have no other goal other than "I have to be right," so yeah, that's accurate.
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/27/18 5:35:34 PM
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averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Bossdog421 posted...
I don't know much about this situation but from this article you posted... some lefties in masks stalked these guys after a right wing event then threw a bottle at them. Sounds like the lefties were the ones starting shit.

anything done to a fascist is self defense

uh

fascism is an inherently violent ideology. genocide is a core tenet of it.

anyone who would be marginalized under fascism (people of colour, women, LGBT+ people, religious minorities, disabled people, etc.) is threatened by the existence of the ideology. Anyone who follows the ideology is inherently a threat to their safety. For all those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self defense.


they'll just repeat the same rhetoric in another thread. some people's education end where their feelings begin.
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Detective_pika
12/27/18 5:42:31 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
averagejoel posted...
The violence started on Oct. 12 shortly after Mr. McInnes gave a speech at the Metropolitan Republican Club on East 83rd Street, a bastion of establishment conservatism.


This right here is the problem. The establishment GOP wants to pretend they aren't the party of these people yet they keep inviting them to speak at their major events. No different than when they invited Milo to fucking CPAC before his whole pedo shit was outed, or having things like Gab sponsor the Turning Points USA's Student Action Summit event hosted at Mar-a-Lago. They want to associate and court these people but don't actually want the heat when people point this shit out.


And then centrist voters are dumb enough to think that the mainstream GOP has nothing to do with them and then the more hardcore GOP voters simply dont give a shit
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averagejoel
12/27/18 5:46:10 PM
#33:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Bossdog421 posted...
I don't know much about this situation but from this article you posted... some lefties in masks stalked these guys after a right wing event then threw a bottle at them. Sounds like the lefties were the ones starting shit.

anything done to a fascist is self defense

uh

fascism is an inherently violent ideology. genocide is a core tenet of it.

anyone who would be marginalized under fascism (people of colour, women, LGBT+ people, religious minorities, disabled people, etc.) is threatened by the existence of the ideology. Anyone who follows the ideology is inherently a threat to their safety. For all those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self defense.


they'll just repeat the same rhetoric in another thread. some people's education end where their feelings begin.

if memory serves, that user is like 15. I started posting on CE when I was around that age, and I developed a toxic mindset that took me a few broken friendships and a few months away from here (maybe even a full year? I don't really remember) to unlearn.

While imo it's preferable that they not be in this community at that age in the first place, I do what I can to at least introduce them to why so much of the rhetoric here is wrong.

There are many people on here that aren't worth engaging. Ryuko_Chan is not one of them
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Ryuko_Chan
12/28/18 1:58:42 AM
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just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence
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Ryuko_Chan
12/28/18 2:00:37 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Bossdog421 posted...
I don't know much about this situation but from this article you posted... some lefties in masks stalked these guys after a right wing event then threw a bottle at them. Sounds like the lefties were the ones starting shit.

anything done to a fascist is self defense

uh

Problem?

well first of all you cant argue that a jacked66 guy beating on some chubby 53 manlet is self defence. plus just because someone scares you doesnt mean you can hurt them.
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averagejoel
12/28/18 2:00:40 AM
#37:


Ryuko_Chan posted...
just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence

that... is not what I was saying at all
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Ryuko_Chan
12/28/18 2:02:33 AM
#38:


averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence

that... is not what I was saying at all

what are you saying?
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averagejoel
12/28/18 2:09:42 AM
#39:


Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence

that... is not what I was saying at all

what are you saying?

Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability.

Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part.

For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/28/18 2:27:09 AM
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averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence

that... is not what I was saying at all

what are you saying?

Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability.

Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part.

For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense


your response has more words they have karma.

hopefully you're not being trolled.
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gunplagirl
12/28/18 2:35:42 AM
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TC is right, about everything so far
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Ryuko_Chan
12/28/18 3:54:47 AM
#42:


averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence

that... is not what I was saying at all

what are you saying?

Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability.

Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part.

For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense

But everyone should have free speech.

And if you punch one of those guys then they go home and dont change their beliefs. Maybe it will even radicalize them. But if you debate them you can change them.
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powerman1426
12/28/18 4:17:37 AM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence

that... is not what I was saying at all

what are you saying?

Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability.

Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part.

For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense

But everyone should have free speech.

And if you punch one of those guys then they go home and dont change their beliefs. Maybe it will even radicalize them. But if you debate them you can change them.

So are you defending the fascists or did you miss what is going on here?
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Ryuko_Chan
12/28/18 4:19:15 AM
#44:


powerman1426 posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence

that... is not what I was saying at all

what are you saying?

Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability.

Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part.

For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense

But everyone should have free speech.

And if you punch one of those guys then they go home and dont change their beliefs. Maybe it will even radicalize them. But if you debate them you can change them.

So are you defending the fascists or did you miss what is going on here?

Neither, Im speaking in general.
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powerman1426
12/28/18 4:20:22 AM
#45:


Ryuko_Chan posted...
powerman1426 posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
just because someone scares you doesnt make attacking them self defence

that... is not what I was saying at all

what are you saying?

Fascism is an inherently violent ideology and anyone who follows it is an inherent threat to anyone who would be marginalized under fascism. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: women, people of colour, religious minorities, LGBT+ people, and people with any sort of disability.

Fascists, because they follow such an ideology, are inherently instigating regardless of any specific action on their part.

For any of those groups, any action taken against a fascist is self-defense

But everyone should have free speech.

And if you punch one of those guys then they go home and dont change their beliefs. Maybe it will even radicalize them. But if you debate them you can change them.

So are you defending the fascists or did you miss what is going on here?

Neither, Im speaking in general.

So there are good people on both sides is your takeaway
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Ryuko_Chan
12/28/18 4:22:44 AM
#46:


powerman1426 posted...
So there are good people on both sides is your takeaway

No.
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catboy0_0
12/28/18 4:23:39 AM
#47:


I don't like Antifa, but I really don't have a problem with them winning in a fight against Proud Boys.
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powerman1426
12/28/18 4:25:52 AM
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catboy0_0 posted...
I don't like Antifa, but I really don't have a problem with them winning in a fight against Proud Boys.

The problem is neither of these should be a thing
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A_Good_Boy
12/28/18 6:14:33 AM
#49:


powerman1426 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
I don't like Antifa, but I really don't have a problem with them winning in a fight against Proud Boys.

The problem is neither of these should be a thing

Go tell your fairy godmother to make them all go away then.
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catboy0_0
12/28/18 6:25:27 AM
#50:


A_Good_Boy posted...
powerman1426 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
I don't like Antifa, but I really don't have a problem with them winning in a fight against Proud Boys.

The problem is neither of these should be a thing

Go tell your fairy godmother to make them all go away then.

are you always like this?
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A_Good_Boy
12/28/18 6:47:07 AM
#51:


catboy0_0 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
powerman1426 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
I don't like Antifa, but I really don't have a problem with them winning in a fight against Proud Boys.

The problem is neither of these should be a thing

Go tell your fairy godmother to make them all go away then.

are you always like this?

Like what?
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