Current Events > Iran parliament rejects ban on marriage of girls under the age of 13

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https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-parliament-rejects-ban-on-marriage-of-underage-girls/29673527.html

Without referring to a time frame, Ms. Seyavoshi announced that more than 300 girls under nine, and between 30,000 to 40,000 girls under 13-14 years old marry in Iran.

Earlier on December 4, a prominent member of the Islamic Republic's Cultural and Social Council for Women had defended child marriage, arguing it protects girls from a life of prostitution and illegal abortions.

Fereshteh Rouhafza had told the state-run Iran Labor News Agency (ILNA) on December 4, that in light of the rapidly growing number of increasingly young girls undergoing illegal abortions and joining the sex trade, opposition to child marriage is wrong.

Rouhafza, who is in charge of planning and policy for the council, declined to provide evidence of her claims about Irans young women, saying the statistics are available, but it would be irresponsible to make them public.

"Publishing the statistics will encourage other underage girls to follow suit. I believe revealing such statistics is harmful to society, Rouhafza said.

Rohafzas comments reflect the position of the conservative clerical establishment toward child marriage. Insisting that Prophet Muhammad is the perfect example for all Muslims, they note that he married a six-year-old bride, Aisha, with whom he consummated the marriage when she was only nine years old.
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Neclord pops up to mind when I read this. And, even though I'm not Muslim, I highly doubt Mohammed married a kid.
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SamsSung posted...

And, even though I'm not Muslim, I highly doubt Mohammed married a kid.

He did.
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"We save girls from getting fucked by making them get fucked in the eyes of the lord." essentially.

Shit's unreal.
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Waiting for a false equivalence.

@Volkswagen_Bros thoughts?
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Expected India
Got India
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Islam, so cool
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it's part of official Muslim doctrine that Mohammed married a child. they just handwave it away. they like to say that he waited till she was 9 to have sex. as if that makes it so much better

Ack....about Ramadan. It's sheer awful. No eating from breakfast to dinner.

But, I got some confession. Mohammed married yes, but he did not consummate with her until. Her teen years.
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SamsSung posted...

Ack....about Ramadan. It's sheer awful. No eating from breakfast to dinner.

But, I got some confession. Mohammed married yes, but he did not consummate with her until. Her teen years.

she was 9 when they banged
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How do you know that?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

saying the statistics are available, but it would be irresponsible to make them public.

What a pleasant government.
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SamsSung posted...

but he did not consummate with her until. Her teen years.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Rohafzas comments reflect the position of the conservative clerical establishment toward child marriage. Insisting that Prophet Muhammad is the perfect example for all Muslims, they note that he married a six-year-old bride, Aisha, with whom he consummated the marriage when she was only nine years old.

When did nine get moved to the teens?
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I highly doubt Mohammed was a pedophile.
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No he just married and banged a 9 year old because he could, totally not a pedophile
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No, the thing is, he probably raised her to teen years. He was polygamous and all. I'm not condoning, but as said before, I doubt he was a pedophile.
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SamsSung posted...

he probably raised her to teen years.

and where are you getting that idea from?
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That's how child brides are usually treated.
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I was going to give them props until I noticed the word ban. Come on Iran.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth

Critics allege that Aisha was just six years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad, himself in his 50s, and only nine when the marriage was consummated. They base this on a saying attributed to Aisha herself (Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234), and the debate on this issue is further complicated by the fact that some Muslims believe this to be a historically accurate account. Although most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters, those who accept this saying argue that since the Qur'an states that marriage is void unless entered into by consenting adults, Aisha must have entered puberty early.
They point out that, in seventh-century Arabia, adulthood was defined as the onset of puberty. (This much is true, and was also the case in Europe: five centuries after Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, 33-year-old King John of England married 12-year-old Isabella of Angoulme.) Interestingly, of the many criticisms of Muhammad made at the time by his opponents, none focused on Aisha's age at marriage.

According to this perspective, Aisha may have been young, but she was not younger than was the norm at the time. Other Muslims doubt the very idea that Aisha was six at the time of marriage, referring to historians who have questioned the reliability of Aisha's age as given in the saying. In a society without a birth registry and where people did not celebrate birthdays, most people estimated their own age and that of others. Aisha would have been no different. What's more, Aisha had already been engaged to someone else before she married Muhammad, suggesting she had already been mature enough by the standards of her society to consider marriage for a while. It seems difficult to reconcile this with her being six.
In addition, some modern Muslim scholars have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the saying, or hadith, used to assert Aisha's young age. In Islam, the hadith literature (sayings of the prophet) is considered secondary to the Qur'an. While the Qur'an is considered to be the verbatim word of God, the hadiths were transmitted over time through a rigorous but not infallible methodology. Taking all known accounts and records of Aisha's age at marriage, estimates of her age range from nine to 19.
Because of this, it is impossible to know with any certainty how old Aisha was. What we do know is what the Qur'an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse. As the living embodiment of Islam, Muhammad's actions reflect the Qur'an's teachings on marriage, even if the actions of some Muslim regimes and individuals do not.

What the hell is wrong with this Samsung guy?
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@JaredFogle
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

Waiting for a false equivalence.

only the uneducated crowd does that.
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Mohammed was a product of his time

So he had sex with his 9 year old wife yes

At the time that would not made him a pedophile

However, it is damning today and calling him the perfect person is problematic as with holy power he should have known that was not good

Yet he was just like all other sinful men with base desires of his age

@SamsSung
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shockthemonkey posted...

Islamic law is insanely fucked up.

watch your mouth.
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SamsSung posted...

That's how child brides are usually treated.

Lol What?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

So he had sex with his 9 year old wife yes

At the time that would not made him a pedophile

Yeah, it would.
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Roxborough4Ever posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Islamic law is insanely fucked up.

watch your mouth.

Why? Are you gonna have another melty?
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Gross
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RiderofHogs posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

So he had sex with his 9 year old wife yes

At the time that would not made him a pedophile

Yeah, it would.

In that age it wasn't uncommon practice was it?

But a prophet should known better is the point people bring it up.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Mohammed was a product of his time

CE only buys this explanation if it's in relation to slaveowners
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darkphoenix181 posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

So he had sex with his 9 year old wife yes

At the time that would not made him a pedophile

Yeah, it would.

In that age it wasn't uncommon practice was it?

But a prophet should known better is the point people bring it up.

It doesn't matter if it was its still wrong.
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Roxborough4Ever posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Islamic law is insanely fucked up.

watch your mouth.

if CE was ruled by islamic law, everyone in here would be beheaded by now
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Roxborough4Ever posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Islamic law is insanely fucked up.

watch your mouth.

Why? Are you gonna have another melty?

No, because he is talking shit on Islam; and I am going to have to ask him to stop doing that, please.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

In that age it wasn't uncommon practice was it?

Yes it was. Generally 12-13 was when they consummated.
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Which is "she-ite" and which is Sunni?

Iran is so complicated seeming. And Meccas in Saudi Arabia, right?
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Having sex with kids that haven't gone through puberty or atleast began it was not a normal accepted thing even a thousand years ago
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PleaseClap posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Mohammed was a product of his time

CE only buys this explanation if it's in relation to slaveowners

It doesn't work for slave owners.

Most of them were christians of whom the bible says there is neither bond nor free in christ.

Infact, these very ideas is what lead to abolotion:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Abolitionism

Although many Enlightenment philosophers opposed slavery, it was Christian activists, attracted by strong religious elements, who initiated and organized an abolitionist movement. [1] Throughout Europe and the United States, Christians, usually from 'un-institutional' Christian faith movements, not directly connected with traditional state churches, or "non-conformist" believers within established churches, were to be found at the forefront of the abolitionist movements.[1][2]

Athiests won't like admitting this as they try to say christianity supported slavery and yet...
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Roxborough4Ever posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Roxborough4Ever posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Islamic law is insanely fucked up.

watch your mouth.

Why? Are you gonna have another melty?

No, because he is talking shit on Islam; and I am going to have to ask him to stop doing that, please.

Yeah, leave poor innocent islam alone.
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Bingo, glittering. That's why I highly doubt Mohammed was a pedophile. He probably consummated at teens at the very least.
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SamsSung posted...

That's how child brides are usually treated.

Now this is a weird new gimmick.
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SamsSung posted...

Bingo, glittering. That's why I highly doubt Mohammed was a pedophile. He probably consummated at teens at the very least.

Literally defending a pedo.
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SamsSung posted...

Which is "she-ite" and which is Sunni?

Iran is so complicated seeming. And Meccas in Saudi Arabia, right?

I don't know which is which but I know they each claim that the true leader of Islam after Muhammed died was a different person. and that's why they argue

yes, Mecca is in Saudia Arabia. that's why they have so much power.

RiderofHogs posted...

SamsSung posted...

Bingo, glittering. That's why I highly doubt Mohammed was a pedophile. He probably consummated at teens at the very least.

Literally defending a pedo.

No, Mohammed had sex with a nine year old and he's a pedophile
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glitteringfairy posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

SamsSung posted...

Bingo, glittering. That's why I highly doubt Mohammed was a pedophile. He probably consummated at teens at the very least.

Literally defending a pedo.

No, Mohammed had sex with a nine year old and he's a pedophile

Not you, samssung.
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Zikten posted...

SamsSung posted...

Which is "she-ite" and which is Sunni?

Iran is so complicated seeming. And Meccas in Saudi Arabia, right?

I don't know which is which but I know they each claim that the true leader of Islam after Muhammed died was a different person. and that's why they argue

yes, Mecca is in Saudia Arabia. that's why they have so much power.

In Sunni Islam, the Caliph is democratically elected. In Shia, he is divinely appointed.
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SamsSung posted...

Bingo, glittering. That's why I highly doubt Mohammed was a pedophile. He probably consummated at teens at the very least.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

The majority of traditional hadith sources state that Aisha was married to Muhammad at the age of six or seven, but she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, or ten according to Ibn Hisham,[11] when the marriage was consummated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina.[12][13][14] This timeline has been challenged by a number of scholars in modern times.

Seems like it wasn't until modern times that scholars said "oh wait she wasn't nine" because it wasn't a problem before.

That suggests it probably was nine.

In the modern era, Aisha's age at marriage has been a source of controversy and debate, and some Muslims have attempted to revise the previously-accepted timeline of her life.

Why revise it? It had been true for thousands of years.
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