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I mean if you're going to bring that shit up at least demonstrate that you even -slightly- know what happened which Lorenzo evidently does not

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I don't see how what he said was wrong.

I can see how it's kinda random to bring Zimmerman into a conversation about advocation of attacking people for expressing opinions.

But he's absolutely not wrong in that Zimmerman defended himself from an attacker.

How you could say "Defending yourself from a man trying to kill you is wrong but if someone disagrees with you it's okay to attack them!" is madness to me.

Doublethink yet again
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Sexypwnstar posted...

Jesus, did anyone catch ROD's pentapost from post #127-131

what a meltdown and he needs some help

I've had that account on ignore for some time now. You can usually tell who he is within two posts of one of his new accounts showing up. Still fucking annoying to have to continuously add his crap to ignore, but he's accelerating toward driving his life off a cliff O'doyle style and I can't wait to point and laugh when it happens.

I just wish him and the other extreme far left loonies would do their O'doyle driving on a closed looney circuit like Resetera instead of here. Because everyone is tired of their asses.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

No. You challenge the lunatics, you don't change basic fundamentals of your nation because you fear them.

Challenging lunatics doesn't seem to be an effective strategy because you're still here

CE conservatives have taught me a lot tbh

they believe

-Shooting innocent black kids because they feel threatened for no apparent reason is okay

-It's okay to defend neo nazis for their freeze peach, but if you apply the same logic to Islamic extremism they get really defensive all of a sudden

-anyone white is worth applying your full arsenal of mental gymnastic defenses to no matter how deplorable it gets, but if that person isn't white, you apply the most reactionary and emotional stances possible

i was center-left until the American right drove itself off a cliff the last 2 years. Ya'll are getting dragged into the 21st century kicking and screaming and this embarrassment where you get angry on behalf of groups trying to destroy our civilization because you're upset your 50s utopias world was never real will just be a pathetic stub on history books in 30 years
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HippopotamusRex posted...

Sexypwnstar posted...

Jesus, did anyone catch ROD's pentapost from post #127-131

what a meltdown and he needs some help

I've had that account on ignore for some time now. You can usually tell who he is within two posts of one of his new accounts showing up. Still fucking annoying to have to continuously add his crap to ignore, but he's accelerating toward driving his life off a cliff O'doyle style and I can't wait to point and laugh when it happens.

I just wish him and the other extreme far left loonies would do their O'doyle driving on a closed looney circuit like Resetera instead of here. Because everyone is tired of their asses.

Holy shit lmao

You need extreme mental help. You're clearly not all there

also it's nice to see UR compare beating genocidal maniacs to Islamic fundamentalists executing/arresting gay people, really showcases the intellectual powerhouse of centrism
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If Unfair_Represent doesn't -agree- with your answer, he considers it not answering the question period?

Ew.
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This same energy used to defend nazi rights is no where to be found in topics about minorities getting attacked.


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HippopotamusRex posted...

Sexypwnstar posted...

Jesus, did anyone catch ROD's pentapost from post #127-131

what a meltdown and he needs some help

I've had that account on ignore for some time now. You can usually tell who he is within two posts of one of his new accounts showing up. Still fucking annoying to have to continuously add his crap to ignore, but he's accelerating toward driving his life off a cliff O'doyle style and I can't wait to point and laugh when it happens.

I just wish him and the other extreme far left loonies would do their O'doyle driving on a closed looney circuit like Resetera instead of here. Because everyone is tired of their asses.

Holy shit lmao

You need extreme mental help. You're clearly not all there

mental health is serious business.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

also it's nice to see UR compare beating genocidal maniacs to Islamic fundamentalists executing/arresting gay people, really showcases the intellectual powerhouse of centrism

I don't think "It's wrong to attack people for disagreeing with you." is a centirsm view.

I think it should be a universial one for any 1st world nation.

It's a basic sign of intelligence.

Zero_Destroyer posted...

-Shooting innocent black kids because they feel threatened for no apparent reason is okay

No one ever said that.

-It's okay to defend neo nazis for their freeze peach, but if you apply the same logic to Islamic extremism they get really defensive all of a sudden

I haven't seen anyone in this or any other topic say that it is wrong to beat up the alt-right but okay to beat up Muslims.

This is just two lies in a row.

-anyone white is worth applying your full arsenal of mental gymnastic defenses to no matter how deplorable it gets, but if that person isn't white, you apply the most reactionary and emotional stances possible

You're the only one mentioning skin color.

i was center-left until the American right drove itself off a cliff the last 2 years. Ya'll are getting dragged
into the 21st century kicking and screaming

You're actually dragging people back to the 16th century if you're advocating the desutruction of free-speech and the concept of beating people for having the wrong opinions.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

How you could say "Defending yourself from a man trying to kill you is wrong but if someone disagrees with you it's okay to attack them!" is madness to me.

Doublethink yet again

Yes, thats what Im getting at. Thank you.

I admit that bringing up that case could be looked at a straw man, but its the overall doublethink throughout this thread that really bugs me.
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apocalyptic_4 posted...

This same energy used to defend nazi rights is no where to be found in topics about minorities getting attacked.

EXACTLY!!

All rhetoric is worthless, this is the reality

Whats with the alt right thinking that buzzwords are some sort of victory card? They can say double think, thought police, virtue signaling or other stupid terms and that is an instant win

SchoolForAnts posted...

Whats with the alt right thinking that buzzwords are some sort of victory card? They can say double think, thought police, virtue signaling or other stupid terms and that is an instant win

Can't wait to see what the next buzzword will be, the recent one was "NPC".
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SchoolForAnts posted...

say double think, thought police, virtue signaling or other stupid terms and that is an instant win

Only term I have used from that list is Doublethink and never without explaining what exactly I think is an example of it and why

You're more than welcome to quote those posts, take out the word doublethink and point out why you think the point is wrong

But somehow you see unable to do so.

All your "side" (I hate that term) seems able to do is call for violence and insult people

How is :

"Defending yourself from a man trying to kill you is wrong but if someone disagrees with you it's okay to attack them!"

Or

"I agree that it's wrong to attack someone for having different opinions but these people have different opinions to me so It's okay to attack them"

Not an example of doublethink?

I'm legitimately interested in your answer to that question, it's not a snarky remark, you guys seem legit terrified of answering it.
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Unfair meltdown underway

Zerocide posted...

SchoolForAnts posted...

Whats with the alt right thinking that buzzwords are some sort of victory card? They can say double think, thought police, virtue signaling or other stupid terms and that is an instant win

Can't wait to see what the next buzzword will be, the recent one was "NPC".

Ah yes NPC and orange man bad.

Orange man bad was especially stupid.

News story: 45 tortures a puppy
Trolls: orange man bad

Yeah I didn't think you could actually respond to the points either.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yeah I didn't think you could actually respond to the points either.

Melty underway!

SchoolForAnts posted...

Zerocide posted...

SchoolForAnts posted...

Whats with the alt right thinking that buzzwords are some sort of victory card? They can say double think, thought police, virtue signaling or other stupid terms and that is an instant win

Can't wait to see what the next buzzword will be, the recent one was "NPC".

Ah yes NPC and orange man bad.

Orange man bad was especially stupid.

News story: 45 tortures a puppy
Trolls: orange man bad

Yeah, these are the same clowns who lost their shit the moment Obama became president.

I guess it's okay as long as the shoe is on the other foot.
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This topic is... something.
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Violent antifa strikes again

one major drawback to having a contrarian gimmick is that you come off as mentally unstable when you're trying to contradict something that has actual evidence with your "opinion." the moment you do that, you greatly diminish the value of that opinion and open yourself up to the same jokes that apply to Ralph Wiggum.

gotta be more selective.
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Yet you can't actually counter any point I have made, you soley can advocate violence and then insult me over and over.

Which says it all frankly
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Lmao at #227

You haven't twisted anything? I'm surprised no one has ever choked to death from you putting words in their mouth that they didn't say and shoved them down their throat, and you did it to an even more severe degree in this post.

DragonGirlYuki and gwwak must also be your accounts. They're the only other ones I see repeating themselves to broken record levels. "Lunacy," "for disagreeing with you," "logic/logical," "1/2/3/4 year olds." If you're not the same person, you share whatever fetish it is that causes a person to enjoy when people are frustrated with you for repeating yourself constantly.

Again, no one is saying that this violence occurred as a result of simply having different views. Except you. You are the one claiming that. You are the one person claiming that simple difference of opinion led to this violence. Why don't you let that go? It isn't what happened. The guy was perceived as a threat and while I wouldn't have jumped to violence. He may have swung at me and I maybe would have swung back, but there is no reality where I'm in a physical altercation and I'm judged to have not been acting in self-defense. That scenario is non-existant. You claim to be logical, so answer me this... if you were in that sitauation, you wouldn't just hit him, neither would I and that's fine, but would you perceive him as a threat?

Another question, and I'm going to bet that if you answer it, I won't believe you, though I might also bet that you deflect away from it by word cherry-picking as a means to dismiss it... in your entire history of contrarianist argument tactic use, have you ever, even once, convinced another person of your point?
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shockthemonkey posted...

VipaGTS posted...

You guys really need to stop engaging UR.

But his mental gymnastics are really funny

Agreed. What I learn from him is useful and not in the way he's claiming to attempt it to be.
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Youre fuming, I wouldnt feel safe around you^
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AutumnBlaze posted...

Youre fuming, I wouldnt feel safe around you^

I mean he's not the one who got over 10 accounts banned in four-day span

UnfairRepresent posted...

Yet you can't actually counter any point I have made, you soley can advocate violence and then insult me over and over.

Which says it all frankly

what's wrong with not sympathizing with Nazis? and what's wrong with me advocating for the extradition of those who'd harm my country? and where did I say Nazis should be attacked?

provide a post #.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

This topic is... something.

It sho is.

BTW unfair I think your doing an amazing job. I'm with you. I know the Extremists are trying to shout you down but your not alone
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shockthemonkey posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Yet you can't actually counter any point I have made, you soley can advocate violence and then insult me over and over.

Which says it all frankly

What a stupid post given all the posts that have done exactly that

UR: "nope! if I don't accept it, it's not real. la la la la la la!!"
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

what's wrong with not sympathizing with Nazis?

No one said anything about sympathy. The entire topic has been people saying it's okay to attack people who think differently to you and sensible people saying it's not.

and what's wrong with me advocating for the extradition of those who'd harm my country?

Who gets to decide whats harming your country?

Anyway you can advocate away, you just can't be violent. Same as the alt right who you are more similar too than you care to admit

and where did I say Nazis should be attacked?

enemies of America should not dwell in America. Nazis are enemies of America, and those who threaten America while on American soil should be treated as if they made a death threat against the President. not made to feel like a welcomed addition. that also goes for their sympathizers.

"No you shouldn't attack deport people because they disagree with you"



nah. foh with that BS
pretending that America isn't a nation that's proud of putting Nazis down like dogs while also trying to accuse somebody else of being uninformed, lolololol

one major drawback to having a contrarian gimmick is that you come off as mentally unstable when you're trying to contradict something that has actual evidence with your "opinion." the moment you do that, you greatly diminish the value of that opinion and open yourself up to the same jokes that apply to Ralph Wiggum.

gotta be more selective.

You advocated attacking, deporting and killing people for disagreeing with you. Then just insulted anyone who questioned you.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

You haven't twisted anything?

Nope and considering you can't point out anything I did and yet again lazily solely resort to boring insults. Just shows you don't think I have either.

I see repeating themselves to broken record levels.

The points I am repeating are ironclad and untouched. That's why they are being repeated.

If people scream 3 + 2 = 9 and you go "No, 3 + 2 = 5" to which they insult you and ignore you. You're going to end up saying 3 + 2 = 5 a lot.

Again pointing out I have made several strong arguments doesn't counter those arguments. It just demonstrates that you fear them and so try to deflect/degrade them.

Again, no one is saying that this violence occurred as a result of simply having different views. Except you. You are the one claiming that. You are the one person claiming that simple difference of opinion led to this violence.

Except they are.

Shock, Ricky, zero, yourself, all the sigless users with low karma and 100+ posts are all doing just that.

in your entire history of contrarianist argument tactic use, have you ever, even once, convinced another person of your point?

Lazy again. No counter to any point I made, no actual argument. Just boring insults.

Leading question trying to insult and degrade me since you lack the intelligence to actually make a real point.

And yes. Thousands of times. But that's not the point. You don't discuss things to "Convince" the other guy, you discuss things to learn and grow.

Once again I point to Reverend Wade Watts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NW3RLnXmTY" data-time="

But again we both know you won't watch this video because you fear it.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yet you can't actually counter any point I have made, you soley can advocate violence and then insult me over and over.

Which says it all frankly

Because you're arguing with points no one is making. Your doublethink examples aren't actual opinions, they are points you have manufactured from false assumptions you've made about what people are actually saying.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

no evidence of the accusation against Ricky

pretty terrible job trying to misconstrue my words.
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AutumnBlaze posted...

You?re fuming, I wouldn?t feel safe around you^

Yeah okay, 462. I wouldn't be in your place of residence, so you wouldn't be around me ever.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Because you're arguing with points no one is making. Your think examples aren't actual opinions,

How so?

Don't just say it's not. Explain how both:

"Defending yourself from a man trying to kill you is wrong but if someone disagrees with you it's okay to attack them!"

Or

"I agree that it's wrong to attack someone for having different opinions but these people have different opinions to me so It's okay to attack them"

Aren't doublethink.

Explain how people like yourself, Shock, Zero etc and the others aren't advocating violence against the alt-right for having "The wrong opinions."

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

no evidence of the accusation against Ricky

pretty terrible job trying to misconstrue my words.

They were direct quotes but I'm glad even you think they are embarrasingly awful when faced with them.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Because you're arguing with points no one is making. Your think examples aren't actual opinions,

How so?

Don't just say it's not. Explain how both:

"Defending yourself from a man trying to kill you is wrong but if someone disagrees with you it's okay to attack them!"

Or

"I agree that it's wrong to attack someone for having different opinions but these people have different opinions to me so It's okay to attack them"

Aren't doublethink.

Explain how people like yourself, Shock, Zero etc and the others aren't advocating violence against the alt-right for having "The wrong opinions."

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

no evidence of the accusation against Ricky

pretty terrible job trying to misconstrue my words.

They were direct quotes but I'm glad even you think they are embarrasingly awful when faced with them.

the quotes were direct. the meaning you created out of my quotes are false.

try again. like explaining why wanting those who side with America's enemies shouldn't be deported.
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TBH, on one hand, violence can end up victimizing the nazi, making it a bad decision as that could make people side with him, but then again, he was asking for it. IMO, I say that while nazis have the right to voice their terrible worldview, we have the right (or, depending how you see it, obligation) to show them how much of a PoS they are
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

the quotes were direct. the meaning you created out of my quotes are false.

I didn't create any. You did. I just quoted you

try again. like explaining why wanting those who side with America's enemies shouldn't be deported.

Who decides who are America's enemies?

That's a very intangible things.

Russia are probably the biggest geopolitical threat to America today and Trump is buddied up to them so should he and everyone soft on Russia be deported?

What about the children? Should they be deported because their parents have "The Wrong Opinion" or should we throw them into orpanages?

What if the most violent group decides you are the enemy of America and have the wrong opinion? You're advocating that we don't need logic or reason, just power, violence and emotional righteouness. Why would they be wrong and you right?

I'd say the gangs of 5 people who beat up elderly men sound like enemies of America, should they be deported, attacked or killed now?

You're esstentially pro an aggressive dictatorship where the "wrong" people are beaten, deported or killed. So long as the said dictatorship shares your opinions. And then are blind to the similarities to the alt-right you despise.

No. You're entitled to your opinion, your view, your mindset. You can think whatever you want and express whatever opinion you want without fear or violence or deportation.

It's your actions that matter. Violence is wrong. Thinking and talking is not.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

stuff

what's wrong with wanting America's enemies to be deported?
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shockthemonkey posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Yet you can't actually counter any point I have made, you soley can advocate violence and then insult me over and over.

Which says it all frankly

What a stupid post given all the posts that have done exactly that

Dude what are you doing

You know he's not capable of figuring out how dumb his posts are so what's the point of repeatedly posting that? It's weird to call people out for feeding trolling gimmick accounts like Spooking but you keep feeding this guy

All the reasons I just said many many many times so many in fact that Swordguy is getting angry at me for "repeating yourself too much" while you all ignore them

Who gets to decide who qualifies as "America's Enemies"? Where is the line drawn? What does that even mean?

As my previous post said



That's a very intangible things.

Russia are probably the biggest geopolitical threat to America today and Trump is buddied up to them so should he and everyone soft on Russia be deported?

What about the children? Should they be deported because their parents have "The Wrong Opinion" or should we throw them into orpanages?

What if the most violent group decides you are the enemy of America and have the wrong opinion? You're advocating that we don't need logic or reason, just power, violence and emotional righteouness. Why would they be wrong and you right?

I'd say the gangs of 5 people who beat up elderly men sound like enemies of America, should they be deported, attacked or killed now?

You're esstentially pro an aggressive dictatorship where the "wrong" people are beaten, deported or killed. So long as the said dictatorship shares your opinions. And then are blind to the similarities to the alt-right you despise.

No. You're entitled to your opinion, your view, your mindset. You can think whatever you want and express whatever opinion you want without fear or violence or deportation.

It's your actions that matter. Violence is wrong. Thinking and talking is not.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

All the reasons I just said many many many times so many in fact that Swordguy is getting angry at me for "repeating yourself too much" while you all ignore them

Who gets to decide who qualifies as "America's Enemies"? Where is the line drawn? What does that even mean?

As my previous post said



That's a very intangible things.

Russia are probably the biggest geopolitical threat to America today and Trump is buddied up to them so should he and everyone soft on Russia be deported?

What about the children? Should they be deported because their parents have "The Wrong Opinion" or should we throw them into orpanages?

What if the most violent group decides you are the enemy of America and have the wrong opinion? You're advocating that we don't need logic or reason, just power, violence and emotional righteouness. Why would they be wrong and you right?

I'd say the gangs of 5 people who beat up elderly men sound like enemies of America, should they be deported, attacked or killed now?

You're esstentially pro an aggressive dictatorship where the "wrong" people are beaten, deported or killed. So long as the said dictatorship shares your opinions. And then are blind to the similarities to the alt-right you despise.

No. You're entitled to your opinion, your view, your mindset. You can think whatever you want and express whatever opinion you want without fear or violence or deportation.

It's your actions that matter. Violence is wrong. Thinking and talking is not.

Quality melty.

Still defending nazis...only on CE
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UnfairRepresent posted...

All the reasons I just said many many many times so many in fact that Swordguy is getting angry at me for "repeating yourself too much" while you all ignore them

Who gets to decide who qualifies as "America's Enemies"? Where is the line drawn? What does that even mean?

As my previous post said



That's a very intangible things.

Russia are probably the biggest geopolitical threat to America today and Trump is buddied up to them so should he and everyone soft on Russia be deported?

What about the children? Should they be deported because their parents have "The Wrong Opinion" or should we throw them into orpanages?

What if the most violent group decides you are the enemy of America and have the wrong opinion? You're advocating that we don't need logic or reason, just power, violence and emotional righteouness. Why would they be wrong and you right?

I'd say the gangs of 5 people who beat up elderly men sound like enemies of America, should they be deported, attacked or killed now?

You're esstentially pro an aggressive dictatorship where the "wrong" people are beaten, deported or killed. So long as the said dictatorship shares your opinions. And then are blind to the similarities to the alt-right you despise.

No. You're entitled to your opinion, your view, your mindset. You can think whatever you want and express whatever opinion you want without fear or violence or deportation.

It's your actions that matter. Violence is wrong. Thinking and talking is not.

I don't know which part of your ass the straw man points are coming from, but what's wrong with wanting America's enemies deported?

implying there's a wrong =/= explaining why there's wrong
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UnfairRepresent posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Because you're arguing with points no one is making. Your think examples aren't actual opinions,

How so?

Don't just say it's not. Explain how both:

"Defending yourself from a man trying to kill you is wrong but if someone disagrees with you it's okay to attack them!"

Or

"I agree that it's wrong to attack someone for having different opinions but these people have different opinions to me so It's okay to attack them"

Aren't doublethink.

Explain how people like yourself, Shock, Zero etc and the others aren't advocating violence against the alt-right for having "The wrong opinions."

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

no evidence of the accusation against Ricky

pretty terrible job trying to misconstrue my words.

They were direct quotes but I'm glad even you think they are embarrasingly awful when faced with them.

You aren't arguing with me. You are doing the same bullshit. Where did I say those arguments aren't doublethink? That was never my argument. My argument was that "you concocted those statements out of things no one was saying, by twisting words and putting words into people's mouths that they didn't say." You can't argue with me, so you instead you establish a fake me that said things I never said and you argue with that. This is classic you. I say "I think it would be funny to lightly slap trump with a hot dog just to embarrass him" and you later accuse me of saying "I want to savagely beat trump with a cold sausage to publicly shame him into a fit of depression." Explain how that tactic is not word twisting.
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E32005 posted...

Still defending nazis...only on CE

I don't think anyone in this topic has defended Nazis except AssaultTank and he's not really a good exemplar for CE.
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