Current Events > Colorado bakers are back in court, but this time over a transgender cake order.

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TrevorBlack79 posted...

@Nick_Saban posted...

"Lets make hate speech laws and then brand everything conservatives say that opposes our political platform as hate speech"

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Cite the exact law or admit that you're wrong.

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TrevorBlack79 posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

@Nick_Saban posted...

"Lets make hate speech laws and then brand everything conservatives say that opposes our political platform as hate speech"

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Cite the exact law or admit that you're wrong.

There are no federal laws and there probably wont be as long as Republicans control most of government. This is a relatively new phenomena in the US. The left is setting the framework for it by branding everyone on the right as fascist(even though fascism is just diet socialism) and then pushing that idea that evil fascists do not deserve free speech. There are local laws in leftist strongholds

https://www.newsweek.com/lawmakers-propose-hate-speech-social-media-checks-gun-purchases-1200746

"We intend to violate your 2nd amendment right by violating your 4th amendment right to see if we can violate your 1st amendment right"

Obama's administration framed a man for the Benghazi attack and jailed him for his video criticizing Islam even though it was a CIA arms deal gone bad.

Just because it isn't here yet doesn't mean there isn't a wave coming should the left ever get control of all three branches of government
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Nick_Saban posted...

https://www.newsweek.com/lawmakers-propose-hate-speech-social-media-checks-gun-purchases-1200746

"We intend to conduct reasonable background checks on firearm purchasers"

ftfy

Your conspiracy drivel is ridiculous. You aren't worth engaging further. Merry Christmas.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

Nick_Saban posted...

https://www.newsweek.com/lawmakers-propose-hate-speech-social-media-checks-gun-purchases-1200746

"We intend to conduct reasonable background checks on firearm purchasers"

ftfy

Your conspiracy drivel is ridiculous. You aren't worth engaging further. Merry Christmas.

It's not reasonable. "You said something we dont like aka something in opposition to our liberal agenda so you dont get basic american rights"

"You aren't worth engaging further" translates to "I can't really argue any of the legitimate valid points you made but I'm going to bow out in a way that I can maintain a smug sense of superiority"
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Nick_Saban posted...

"You said something we dont like aka something in opposition to our liberal agenda so you dont get basic american rights"

Again, this is literally not happening and I invite you to demonstrate otherwise.

Nick_Saban posted...

"You aren't worth engaging further" translates to "I can't really argue any of the legitimate valid points you made but I'm going to bow out in a way that I can maintain a smug sense of superiority"

No, it means you're trying to feed me literal conspiracy theories about hate speech laws that don't exist and have nothing to do with the case this topic is about. You lost that argument and have moved on to claiming there are hate speech laws for some insane reason. There aren't. Hate speech laws are a blatant violation of the First and on the few occasions that someone tries to pass speech-restricting laws of any kind (hint - conservatives have tried it, too) the USSC rightfully slaps it down.

Which "hate speech" law did the Colorado baker violate?
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Any Christian that hates LGBT rights is a bad Christian imo.

Jesus teaches that God forgives all and so should you, gets brutally crucified for your sins in the hope that you'll follow his lead and 2000 and some odd years later you claim to worship him while shitting on everything he taught because you're too high on your pedestal to help a gay person out.

Sad.
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itachi15243 posted...

Any Christian that hates LGBT rights is a bad Christian imo.

Jesus teaches that God forgives all and so should you, gets brutally crucified for your sins in the hope that you'll follow his lead and 2000 and some odd years later you claim to worship him while shitting on everything he taught because you're too high on your pedestal to help a gay person out.

Sad.

Christianity also teaches quite frequently "go and sin no more."
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Just because it isn't here yet doesn't mean there isn't a wave coming should the left ever get control of all three branches of government

This. There are still deranged leftists who claim that just because Trump isn't Hitler yet, he could be down the line, therefore IMPEACHMENT NAO!

itachi15243 posted...

Any Christian that hates LGBT rights is a bad Christian imo.

Jesus teaches that God forgives all and so should you, gets brutally crucified for your sins in the hope that you'll follow his lead and 2000 and some odd years later you claim to worship him while shitting on everything he taught because you're too high on your pedestal to help a gay person out.

Sad.

What fucked dictionary are you using? Half the words you slid in here are wrong.

Not supporting someone's lifestyle doesn't mean you hate them. I'm sure you don't support the choices of people who take drugs or are obese, but that doesn't mean you hate them. If you ran an all-natural health bar selling fruit juices and I asked for a sugar-loaded double-choc milkshake you have every right to turn me away. You shouldn't be forced to do something that violates your personal values, neither should Christians, as much as you wish they did.

Likewise, forgiveness doesn't mean letting people do whatever they want without repercussions.

The best way to help transgender people is to recognize their struggle and help them deal with it. Abandoning reality and your own personal values to indulge a fairytale is counter-productive to everyone, most of all them considering you're encouraging them to engage in a lifestyle that is very likely to lead to self harm.

chaos_writer posted...

Abandoning reality and your own personal values to indulge a fairytale

Ironic you say this while defending religious people.
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Asking a vegan restaurant to serve you a bacon double cheeseburger from a factory farm is quite a bit different than asking a business to not refuse its advertised services to certain types of people who were born a way they dislike. But pro-discrimination advocates aren't in the business of intellectual honesty.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Asking a vegan restaurant to serve you a bacon double cheeseburger from a factory farm is quite a bit different than asking a business to not refuse its advertised services to certain types of people who were born a way they dislike. But pro-discrimination advocates aren't in the business of intellectual honesty.

1. They're asking for a pro-transgender cake. That doesn't sound like they dislike the way they were born.

2. The baker doesn't advertise pro-transgender cakes. He advertises his ability to create a piece of art in the form of a cake. If the artwork requested is something he has no interest or passion in, or even opposes of, he cannot create it. You can't force someone to be creative.

3. This is no different to Youtube or Google refusing to host pro-religious or pro-Trump content, yet apparently the "private business can do what it wants" argument doesn't apply to Christian businesses. Discrimination indeed.

chaos_writer posted...

The baker doesn't advertise pro-transgender cakes. He advertises his ability to create a piece of art in the form of a cake. If the artwork requested is something he has no interest or passion in, or even opposes of, he cannot create it. You can't force someone to be creative.

Then he shouldn't have opened his business somewhere where the law forbids him from discriminating.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

chaos_writer posted...

The baker doesn't advertise pro-transgender cakes. He advertises his ability to create a piece of art in the form of a cake. If the artwork requested is something he has no interest or passion in, or even opposes of, he cannot create it. You can't force someone to be creative.

Then he shouldn't have opened his business somewhere where the law forbids him from discriminating.

By that logic every business in the US should close. Ask a creative agency in Hollywood to help you produce your pro-Christian movie and see how far you get.

Discrimination is fine, as long as you discriminate against the right people apparently.

chaos_writer posted...

By that logic every business in the US should close.

No, that doesn't logically follow from "don't open your business somewhere that forbids discrimination if you want to discriminate." Can you explain how the logical conclusion is every business in the US closing? Are you suggesting that every business in the US wants to discriminate? Are you suggesting that every city in the US has anti-discrimination laws that cover gay and transgender people? What?

chaos_writer posted...

Ask a creative agency in Hollywood to help you produce your pro-Christian movie and see how far you get.

If you're funding the movie yourself, you get as far as you want to, as evidenced by the plethora of pro-Christian movies available. How is this scenario comparable?

chaos_writer posted...

Discrimination is fine, as long as you discriminate against the right people apparently.

This doesn't make sense. Anti-discrimination laws apply to everyone. A business also can't discriminate against Christians in the same way this baker has consistently discriminated against LGBT people, for example.
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If you could go back in time 25 years and bring up the possibility of things ending up like this, you'd be met with "You're paranoid. That won't happen. Here... Read about the slippery slope fallacy." and all you'd be able to do is watch it happen like a slow motion trainwreck.

Can you explain how the logical conclusion is every business in the US closing? Are you suggesting that every business in the US wants to discriminate?

Every business does discriminate. This case has been proven idiotic and double-sided countless times already. The Christian baker had previously served the gay couple before, he only refused when they specifically requested a gay marriage cake because he doesn't agree with the message.

Gay bakeries discriminate against Christians in the same way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ixvPz1PIHI" data-time="

Muslim bakeries also discriminate against gay wedding cake orders too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4" data-time="

YouTube, Google, Twitter, Facebook, and a horde of other major corporations constantly demonetize content they don't like. In many cases, they even remove it entirely even if it's within the ToS.

Restaurants have repeatedly refused to serve Trump supporters:

https://startsat60.com/discover/news/restaurant-tells-trump-supporters-they-arent-welcome

All of these are blatant replicas of the cake shop case. The only difference is the level of outrage from the SJW types. In other words, it's OK to discriminate if it's done against a Christian or anyone else the mainstream PC culture doesn't like. It's not a crime "when we do it".

If you're funding the movie yourself, you get as far as you want to, as evidenced by the plethora of pro-Christian movies available. How is this scenario comparable?

Because you'd have a much easier time convincing someone to produce your liberal-minded movie than you would getting them to produce your religious movie. There's no secret over this at all. Anyone within Hollywood will tell you that there's a blatant stigma and discrimination against conservative messages.

Liberals were cheering for these bakers: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/7/bakers-refused-make-pro-trump-birthday-cake-9-year/

Just goes to show how hypocritical they are.
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chaos_writer posted...

Every business does discriminate.

Objectively wrong.

chaos_writer posted...

Gay bakeries discriminate against Christians in the same way:

Muslim bakeries also discriminate against gay wedding cake orders too:

Do those businesses operate in cities that have nondiscrimination laws in place?

chaos_writer posted...

Restaurants have repeatedly refused to serve Trump supporters:

Which I believe is wrong, but they have that legal right since political affiliation isn't protected.

chaos_writer posted...

All of these are blatant replicas of the cake shop case.

Objectively wrong. Sexual orientation =/= political affiliation.

chaos_writer posted...

Because you'd have a much easier time convincing someone to produce your liberal-minded movie than you would getting them to produce your religious movie.

1. That depends on who you're trying to convince.
2. Welcome to the free market.

Anything else wrong you want to be corrected on?
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