Current Events > Incels: "I want to have sex with attractive women. But without..."

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"...putting in any work. Is that so much to ask? All I should have to do is use Tinder to have an attractive woman delivered to my door. I wonder when Mom is bringing me my SpaghettiOs."
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Works for women
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theAteam posted...

Works for women

So? Who said life was fair? You can either complain or git gud.
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have u passed the fifth grade yet?
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Actual involuntary celibates: "I wish a girl would look my way. I wish I could connect to her, do things together, talk, basic things, but people rag on me for not doing that, the same people that made my life hell throughout school. And now people expect me to be socially savvy, but I was never given the proper foundations, and somehow it's my fault. I started this race with a broken leg, how is that fair?"

Do you think Olympic gold medalists decided to give up? Why are you giving up? You have to make things happen.
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...but... Thats exactly what Tinder does...
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

RedWhiteBlue posted...

Actual involuntary celibates: "I wish a girl would look my way. I wish I could connect to her, do things together, talk, basic things, but people rag on me for not doing that, the same people that made my life hell throughout school. And now people expect me to be socially savvy, but I was never given the proper foundations, and somehow it's my fault. I started this race with a broken leg, how is that fair?"

Do you think Olympic gold medalists decided to give up? Why are you giving up? You have to make things happen.

Wow, an extreme minority of extraordinarily motivated people succeeded, this is concrete proof that the overwhelmingly vast majority of the human race has no excuse!

How badly do you want to have sex with a woman? It seems like you'd rather complain on the Internet instead of show some real motivation and drive.
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Wow, an extreme minority of extraordinarily motivated people succeeded, this is concrete proof that the overwhelmingly vast majority of the human race has no excuse!

So your excuse in school was that people made your life hell so you couldn't do social stuff

what's your excuse now
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Actual involuntary celibates: "I wish a girl would look my way. I wish I could connect to her, do things together, talk, basic things, but people rag on me for not doing that, the same people that made my life hell throughout school. And now people expect me to be socially savvy, but I was never given the proper foundations, and somehow it's my fault. I started this race with a broken leg, how is that fair?"

InCEl post.
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Orlando_Jordan posted...

theAteam posted...

Works for women

So? Who said life was fair? You can either complain or git gud.

If you say this to women about things men are better at, the SJW force will attack you.
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Complaining and whining about it definitely never got anyone closer. What's the best outcome of bitching about not getting laid? Some chick pity fucks you? That's your endgame?

Just speaking in general here
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I'm sorry TC

there is actually robust discussion going on here
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Complaining and whining about it definitely never got anyone closer. What's the best outcome of bitching about not getting laid? Some chick pity fucks you? That's your endgame?

Just speaking in general here

It brings to light issues that need fixing. Again, when something doesn't affect the majority of people it slips under the radar. Once the issue is large enough it can't be ignored, it must be dealt with immediately. The LGBT+ movement in the past two decades is an excellent example. Hardly anyone supported it, and now almost everyone does, because we realized a lot of people are LGBT+ and they weren't on an even playing field like the rest of us, and that they are people, too, that share the same emotions as the rest of us. Or the Guilded Age, when working conditions were shit, but complaining and whining improved lives across the nation because the issues could not be ignored. And when sexual frustration gets the spotlight (social issue, so give it a while before it gets taken seriously), the same will happen. The question is how will it happen?

....you do you man
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MedeaLysistrata posted...

I'm sorry TC

there is actually robust discussion going on here

he must be devastated
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theAteam posted...

Works for women

The trade-off is constant solicitation.

RedWhiteBlue posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Complaining and whining about it definitely never got anyone closer. What's the best outcome of bitching about not getting laid? Some chick pity fucks you? That's your endgame?

Just speaking in general here

It brings to light issues that need fixing. Again, when something doesn't affect the majority of people it slips under the radar. Once the issue is large enough it can't be ignored, it must be dealt with immediately. The LGBT+ movement in the past two decades is an excellent example. Hardly anyone supported it, and now almost everyone does, because we realized a lot of people are LGBT+ and they weren't on an even playing field like the rest of us, and that they are people, too, that share the same emotions as the rest of us. Or the Guilded Age, when working conditions were shit, but complaining and whining improved lives across the nation because the issues could not be ignored. And when sexual frustration gets the spotlight (social issue, so give it a while before it gets taken seriously), the same will happen. The question is how will it happen?

So you want society to change instead of you improving your social skills and learning to get laid?
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Orlando_Jordan posted...

theAteam posted...

Works for women

So? Who said life was fair? You can either complain or git gud.

True, so why are you here crying about incels anyway? Incels are losers. We know this already.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

theAteam posted...

Works for women

So? Who said life was fair? You can either complain or git gud.

True, so why are you here crying about incels anyway? Incels are losers. We know this already.

We need to educate incels instead of shooing them away to online communities that reinforce their worldview and radicalize them.
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theAteam posted...

Works for women

No it doesn't. Get over yourself.
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Orlando_Jordan posted...

We need to educate incels instead of shooing them away to online communities that reinforce their worldview and radicalize them.

I think youre being very disingenuous. Your first post was just meant to mock them. Are you implying now that you actually give a shit about incels?
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

We need to educate incels instead of shooing them away to online communities that reinforce their worldview and radicalize them.

I think youre being very disingenuous. Your first post was just meant to mock them. Are you implying now that you actually give a shit about incels?

They need tough love. It's the only way they'll learn.
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Orlando_Jordan posted...

They need tough love. It's the only way they'll learn.

Are you sure its the only way?

We could give them someone to have sex with. Then they wouldnt be incels.
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As someone who was a virgin/incel through their teens and early twenties, if you don't get the relevant practice and pick up the right social skills when you're younger, you're pretty much fucked.. even if you did everything else right. You can act confident and interact with a ton of women and try to set up dates, but you're always going to be creepy/off-putting to a good 90% of them. Not to mention being outclassed by pretty much everyone else. By twenty it's like everyone has read and mastered all the greatest literary works of our time, and you're stuck on fucking "Where's Waldo?"

I eventually lucked out and met a woman that didn't care about any of that, was patient and just liked me for me. It took a really long time and a lot of brutal failures though. And even after she agreed to a date, it was like a whole other level of awkwardness to look forward to since I had no idea what a date should be or how to kiss, fuck, or any of it.. but thankfully all of that came naturally. What these guys really need is for someone to be patient and to meet them halfway. You can't have zero experience and still be expected to do everything. Of course you're going to fuck that up, it's like trying to run when you don't even know how to walk yet.

Can you really call a basement dweller an "incel" though? To me that implies that you're being turned down despite actively trying to change your fate. A dude that never leaves the house and just plays video games all day has already decided for himself that he won't be having any interactions with a female, whether he likes it or not.
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

RedWhiteBlue posted...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

RedWhiteBlue posted...

Actual involuntary celibates: "I wish a girl would look my way. I wish I could connect to her, do things together, talk, basic things, but people rag on me for not doing that, the same people that made my life hell throughout school. And now people expect me to be socially savvy, but I was never given the proper foundations, and somehow it's my fault. I started this race with a broken leg, how is that fair?"

Do you think Olympic gold medalists decided to give up? Why are you giving up? You have to make things happen.

Wow, an extreme minority of extraordinarily motivated people succeeded, this is concrete proof that the overwhelmingly vast majority of the human race has no excuse!

How badly do you want to have sex with a woman? It seems like you'd rather complain on the Internet instead of show some real motivation and drive.

Do you want to address the point I've made about your logical fallacy?

Most incels, you know, living their youth doing normal stuff like going to school, had to have tried something at some point. Maybe they have had wildly bad reception when talking to people in general, or only to people they care for, or don't know how to be intimate, or they don't share the same interests as most people, etc.

You can't jump to simple conclusions like "it's so simple! The incels are just bad and lazy!" It's far more complex than that. Most people simply don't want to hear it since it doesn't affect them.

Doom_Art posted...

So your excuse in school was that people made your life hell so you couldn't do social stuff

what's your excuse now

Doom, you're smarter than that. It was an example, a stereotypical one at that.

Also, let's not forget that our foundations are determined by genes, which really don't matter if parenting and peers provide a healthy source of conditioning (the greatest influence outside of severe disease and deformity). Not to focus on genes so heavily, it's really the conditioning I'm getting at that makes us who we are. It's hard to blame the person when they didn't have a choice in their foundations. Arguably this can lead towards determination, but I'll step away from that.

Hahah. Lol.

Your victim mentality is unattractive.
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If people have poor social skills that's one thing.

But why do they start blaming and getting bitter over women?
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Ultima Dragon posted...

Can you really call a basement dweller an "incel" though? To me that implies that you're being turned down despite actively trying to change your fate. A dude that never leaves the house and just plays video games all day has already decided for himself that he won't be having any interactions with a female, whether he likes it or not.

basement dweller is just a derogatory term
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that reminds me, whatever happened to Tadamoto?
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Darmik posted...

If people have poor social skills that's one thing.

But why do they start blaming and getting bitter over women?

A combination of things. Young women can be very superficial at times and there is often a discrepancy between what they say they want and what they actually want, which can cause much confusion especially if you're inexperienced. One of the big lessons for many men is the realisation that the traits which make you a good friend are not necessarily the same ones which breed attraction (I'm not sure if this should be intuitive or not). Stated another way, there is no necessary relationship between attractive and moral qualities (or something like that).
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Joelypoely posted...

Darmik posted...

If people have poor social skills that's one thing.

But why do they start blaming and getting bitter over women?

A combination of things. Young women can be very superficial at times and there is often a discrepancy between what they say they want and what they actually want, which can cause much confusion especially if you're inexperienced. One of the big lessons for many men is the realisation that the traits which make you a good friend are not necessarily the same ones which breed attraction (I'm not sure if this should be intuitive or not). Stated another way, there is no necessary relationship between attractive and moral qualities (or something like that).

I think that's why people don't really show sympathy though.

Struggling to connect with people and be confident enough to make connections is relatable.

Focusing on not being able to get laid shows that your priorities aren't really in the right place. Having a relationship isn't the only important part of having a social life.
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theAteam posted...

Works for women

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theAteam posted...

Works for women

Yeah, and it's not like they have anything else to deal with or worry about to make up for how "easy" they have it in hooking up with guys.

RedWhiteBlue posted...

Actual involuntary celibates: "I wish a girl would look my way. I wish I could connect to her, do things together, talk, basic things, but people rag on me for not doing that, the same people that made my life hell throughout school. And now people expect me to be socially savvy, but I was never given the proper foundations, and somehow it's my fault. I started this race with a broken leg, how is that fair?"

Let me put this simply: unless you are absolutely never out in public or are complete social cancer, I guarantee at some point girls have looked your way. I know plenty of girls into awkward guys like you. And I know plenty more that would be interested if you put yourself out there and had more confidence.

The dating game sucks for both sides, but it isn't unwinnable for anyone who's willing to try. And by all means, if you aren't willing to try, to sit through that hassle, that is ABSOLUTELY ok, and understandable. Do what makes you happy.

I mean, I feel bad for them. All they want is to fuck and they will never fuck.
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Relationships suck. Not worth the effort if it ain't a soulmate.
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Joelypoely posted...

Darmik posted...

If people have poor social skills that's one thing.

But why do they start blaming and getting bitter over women?

A combination of things. Young women can be very superficial at times and there is often a discrepancy between what they say they want and what they actually want, which can cause much confusion especially if you're inexperienced. One of the big lessons for many men is the realisation that the traits which make you a good friend are not necessarily the same ones which breed attraction (I'm not sure if this should be intuitive or not). Stated another way, there is no necessary relationship between attractive and moral qualities (or something like that).

everyone can be superficial, but incels are far and away the worst ones for it
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Darmik posted...

I think that's why people don't really show sympathy though.

Struggling to connect with people and be confident enough to make connections is relatable.

Focusing on not being able to get laid shows that your priorities aren't really in the right place. Having a relationship isn't the only important part of having a social life.

Yeah you might be right. When you're young sex seems like a much bigger deal than it actually is, so you can kind of see where both sides are coming from.
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