Board 8 > Persona 5 Mafia Topic 3 - The Museum of Vanity

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ScareChan posted...

Corrik posted...

Scare just said hey I think sheep is scum too but I won't vote who I think is scum because I am too egotistical to do it because someone else said to do it.

That sounds like a town statement to me.

You have killed me as town basically back to back games . Your measuring stick to read me is broken

Besides I am very atypical this game, I an playing unlike i have before and trying to be a power player. I usually play second fiddle, I'm lead singer today

Yeah, which would be atypical for your scum game where you usually afk.

Glad we agree.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Important point:

I spent all of this day saying both Reg and Eaed are Scum.

Neither has outright said they accuse me. And both have acted as though they believe I'm Town (especially eaed, who said "I want you to see how wrong you are")

Town usually think people are suspicious of them for pushing them... after all, they're Town, why would someone push them?

But Reg and Eaed have entirely put weak suspicion towards me using other people (which red is facilitating) like crazy.

Not sure if only one of Eaed or Reg is Scum, but if I had to make a list right now...

Scum
Reg
Eaed
Sheep

Probably Scum
Scare

Chance of being Scum because he hasnt said anything I've really agreed with all game and is helping my scumspects to look better
Red

Odds make me really hesitant to say both Red and Scare are Scum, but him saying "one of you and Scare has to be scum" SCREAMS of red being a scumbuddy with Scare.

Red and scare dunked you last game

I have town read you most of the game

Red I'm unsure of because I dont think that sleeping thing is very townie but we will see

Red didnt do shit last game.

I will say, red being so in opposition to me this game is really weird and definitely influencing my read on him.

benjamin3740 posted...

Han I reaallly think Scare is town. And we have an eternal mason buddy connection

I really dont like what hes been doing.

I think your town right now and would rather not rattle your cage. I will leave that game behind us for now

But I think you and I need to get on the same page here
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Corrik posted...

ScareChan posted...

Corrik posted...

Scare just said hey I think sheep is scum too but I won't vote who I think is scum because I am too egotistical to do it because someone else said to do it.

That sounds like a town statement to me.

You have killed me as town basically back to back games . Your measuring stick to read me is broken

Besides I am very atypical this game, I an playing unlike i have before and trying to be a power player. I usually play second fiddle, I'm lead singer today

Yeah, which would be atypical for your scum game where you usually afk.

Glad we agree.

Try and lynch me
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ScareChan posted...

Corrik posted...

ScareChan posted...

Corrik posted...

Scare just said hey I think sheep is scum too but I won't vote who I think is scum because I am too egotistical to do it because someone else said to do it.

That sounds like a town statement to me.

You have killed me as town basically back to back games . Your measuring stick to read me is broken

Besides I am very atypical this game, I an playing unlike i have before and trying to be a power player. I usually play second fiddle, I'm lead singer today

Yeah, which would be atypical for your scum game where you usually afk.

Glad we agree.

Try and lynch me

I already told you that you bought yourself another day.
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I'm still on IGCD?

##Unvote: IGCD
##Vote: eaed

Much stronger read here.
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ScareChan posted...

In cashing in my points here

I want to be the chris

Ben, igcd, join me in neab please

I'm already on scum and I'd die on this hill, as I'm rarely this confident day 1
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Sheep007 posted...

Hey, Han, I remembered again and you didn't answer earlier. Why is Ed no longer even on your radar?

This right here is why I think Sheep is Scum. He's defending himself by attacking me with a strawman he created.
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Hbthebattle posted...

ScareChan posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I've been mildly suspicious of Red myself but he has shot down a few of reg's attacks on me, which someone scumteaming with him wouldnt do. So he's mostly null for now.

Join me and redeem yourself

Sorry, scare, but you are not powerful enough to be able create a lynch out of nowhere on an (mostly) inactive. We're 55 minutes away from the end. I don't want another jedi this game.

He is here and posting and giving nothing and I gave a case why this is not townie of him

But if neab is scum this locks battle as his buddy for this post alone
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Maybe I should Scare some slack, since I did just remind myself of all the times I felt like saying 'yeah but you are always wrong about me'
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ScareChan posted...

To be honest I have thought sheep scum for a while since corrik said to shoot him but I just dont want to listen to corrik at end of day when he had done nothing today

"hey I think sheep is scum too but I won't vote who I think is scum because I am too egotistical to do it because someone else said to do it."
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Everything Reg says is just fake. That's my reasoning

It's either that or his playstyle/attitude is like nothing I've ever seen in a town human being playing mafia before. I dont think its that
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Hey, Han, I remembered again and you didn't answer earlier. Why is Ed no longer even on your radar?

This right here is why I think Sheep is Scum. He's defending himself by attacking me with a strawman he created.

I fail to see how this is me defending myself or particularly attacking you, and you still haven't answered the question at all as far as I'm aware. It's a pretty important question as well.
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We are not lynching an inactive today with a stable of replacements readying to go if they remain inactive.

We are lynching scum who decided to play with fire today.
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Well

I tried to be nice reg and give you more than a day to play

I do think you're scum, but have played more pro town this second half of day

My inner Chris is just not strong enough
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htaeD posted...

Reg, Terra gave a second explanation about that whole thing

Furthermore, if it wasn't clear, if eaed is indeed town, you avoiding him for a random inactive vote works against your case further since scum wouldn't want to link themselves to a growing mislynch when it was already gaining enough traction as is.

Though thats not what at all what I got from his initial vote post.

It's why I keep posing the question as to where the contradiction lies to you and Reg. There would be a contradiction if the implication in my post were that Reg is town, but I EXPLICITLY stated numerous times that isn't the case at all, so again, where's your reasoning?
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Dark Young Link posted...

I'm still on IGCD?

##Unvote: IGCD
##Vote: eaed

Much stronger read here.

DYL is Scum protecting Reg
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Corrik posted...

ScareChan posted...

To be honest I have thought sheep scum for a while since corrik said to shoot him but I just dont want to listen to corrik at end of day when he had done nothing today

"hey I think sheep is scum too but I won't vote who I think is scum because I am too egotistical to do it because someone else said to do it."

Several people think I'm scum but apparently none want to vote with it. Scare, Han and most recently DYL (who proceeded to vote the guy I just voted).
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Scare you said you have thought of sheep as scum. Now is the time to excise that demon from our midst.
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Corrik posted...

We are not lynching an inactive today with a stable of replacements readying to go if they remain inactive.

We are lynching scum who decided to play with fire today.

We are not letting a desire for replacements dictate our actions in the game either, corrik
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Red stop sitting on igcd you scum
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It's not townie, Scare. But it's not a good case over the person I've been reading as scum for a long while.
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Sheep007 posted...

Corrik posted...

ScareChan posted...

To be honest I have thought sheep scum for a while since corrik said to shoot him but I just dont want to listen to corrik at end of day when he had done nothing today

"hey I think sheep is scum too but I won't vote who I think is scum because I am too egotistical to do it because someone else said to do it."

Several people think I'm scum but apparently none want to vote with it. Scare, Han and most recently DYL (who proceeded to vote the guy I just voted).

Scare is likely your scumbuddy who wants it on the record he said you were scum but you know "was just a stronger read elsewhere" drat!.
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htaeD posted...

Corrik posted...

We are not lynching an inactive today with a stable of replacements readying to go if they remain inactive.

We are lynching scum who decided to play with fire today.

We are not letting a desire for replacements dictate our actions in the game either, corrik

It is literally impossible that you have a scum read on an inactive.
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Corrik posted...

Scare you said you have thought of sheep as scum. Now is the time to excise that demon from our midst.

I dont want to listen to you because you are scum

But you are also giving up your buddy :(
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Actually...

Sheep007 posted...

As someone else has mentioned a bit further down, I always rather to come across as confident. It's cause it puts more pressure on people and makes my reads clear. Scare is my top Town read and the difference between scum/town Scare feels like night and day so I'm very sure on that one. Activity levels, how much he's created discussion, etc. I still feel moderately confident on HB as town as well, though to a lesser extent when compared to before. Unlike just about everyone else, apparently, I think Reg is town. The only person I feel is town on his lynch is HB and Reg's been active and attempting to scumhunt more than just about every other player. IGCD is also a town lean for his start to the game but that's mostly gut.

Scum... Not so many. Ed's a pretty big scumread still but there's nobody else I'm confident enough to call scum yet. Will probably start paying more attention for the last few hours since I should be available from now til about deadline.

So this explains your read on...

Scare
HB (Kind of)
Reg

But if I'm not mistaken, you also mentioned you felt the following were town.

Red
Neab
And Plum, if Ed flips scum.

Did any of these change or...?
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This wall contains all of Terra's posts since calling out the train against Neab. It's a little long.

Terra-enforcer posted...

ScareChan posted...

Oh did we scummon neab

Neat

##unvote
##vote: neab

Follow me if you want to live (or get shot)

What is the case supposed to be against him to begin with? Only times I've heard anything against him were in reference to lack of activity.

Terra-enforcer posted...

Reg posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

What do you honestly think such a random vote supposed to do like two hours before EoD?

Flip it around. We still have two hours to get as much information as possible onto the table.

You want me to just languish on a lynch until then? Seriously?

Info is fine, but that's why I specified "random lynch." I don't recall you mentioning much of anything about him before now. And pressure to info generally entails more than a weak vote and some filler text. Seems more like you're looking for an out than legitimately scum hunting here.

Terra-enforcer posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Should people just ignore inactives and go for more active players when scumhunting, then? Never going to find anything out if there's no pressure.

That wasn't the implication whatsoever. But you're only going to get so much info dashing for an inactive two days before the end of day. Doesn't come across as the most viable target for scum hunting, especially when those kinds of outs rarely turn out well if said player continues to remain inactive. That kind of turn is what hurt us day 1 last game, and I've seen similar cases plenty of times before.

Terra-enforcer posted...

htaeD posted...

Reg, Terra gave a second explanation about that whole thing

Furthermore, if it wasn't clear, if eaed is indeed town, you avoiding him for a random inactive vote works against your case further since scum wouldn't want to link themselves to a growing mislynch when it was already gaining enough traction as is.

Though thats not what at all what I got from his initial vote post.

It's why I keep posing the question as to where the contradiction lies to you and Reg. There would be a contradiction if the implication in my post were that Reg is town, but I EXPLICITLY stated numerous times that isn't the case at all, so again, where's your reasoning?

I will try to explain.
The contradiction is that in the first post it sounded like you were saying scumReg would never pass up the chance to go after Eaed who already looked bad.
But somehow him not going after Eaed made him scummier..
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Scare this is literally an attempt to mimic Chris
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ScareChan posted...

Corrik posted...

Scare you said you have thought of sheep as scum. Now is the time to excise that demon from our midst.

I dont want to listen to you because you are scum

But you are also giving up your buddy :(

Oh so now I am scum too.

Well that is great! Everyone knows my accuracy as scum is impeccable and I always tell people the right answers so they won't believe them and refuse to do as I say. I am offering you up scum. Take it.

You are floundering in reasoning.
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I will confess something about a past game
When sheep was town, his confident townreads annoyed the hell out of scum me. So its a good way to get reactions.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I mean nobody even asked Neab any questions

Exactly. If this is an effort to scum hunt, voting then twiddling their thumbs is a pretty poor execution of it.

Sheep007 posted...

But Neab is here. Jedi wasn't, I think. There's a massive difference

But what Reg doing right now isn't even scum hunting. It's voting and dashing which amounts to nothing. If you want a vote someone you commit to it. Especially if it's such a low profile player with so little info to gather from. When deadline is this close time is of the essence, and weak pressure isn't going to take you very far, especially when the player can easily just hide behind one of the head lynches.

It's getting to a case of too little too late if there isn't actually a decent argument to be made against Neab, but obviously that doesn't mean you can't go back at it at a more opportune time later.

Terra-enforcer posted...

Reg posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

It's voting and dashing which amounts to nothing.

Holy shit could you possibly be lying through your teeth any harder?

I'm here. I'm talking to the guy and trying to get him to provide things the game can use to read him. It's like pulling fucking teeth (Which is itself useful information), but I'm at least fucking trying. Unlike you, who's sitting around, doing jack shit besides taking pot shots at me.

I've done more than that. If you want to ignore it then I couldn't give a damn. I called out sheep a few times, put in my two cents on who I think is a town lean versus scum lean, and I've noted connections such as with eaed and yourself. I'm not going to act like I've been driving the game, but you shouldn't be either. Your initial poke was weak is what I was referring to.

What you did at the time of my post amounted to "you gonna play or not" which isn't what I would call putting in work by any means. Like I said, just comes across as an excuse for an out. Hence the vote and dash.

Terra-enforcer posted...

Reg posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

If we want to go the inactive route, and admittedly this choice is somewhat arbitrary, my brain chooses terra.

Terra's 'activity' over the past couple hours consists entirely of taking shots at me for trying to probe into and figure out Neab while providing literally nothing himself. Not the most arbitrary imo.

If you actually bothered reading my posts, you're the one lying through your teeth here. Once again only seeing what you want to see.

These four(! screw quote block limits) posts full of quotes encompass every single post Terra has made since calling out my Neab vote. Will somebody please explain to me where he called out Sheep or did basically anything except taking shots at me? He has one post talking about HB. That's it as far as I can see.

Or do we need to lynch this guy?

Dark Young Link posted...

Actually...

Sheep007 posted...

As someone else has mentioned a bit further down, I always rather to come across as confident. It's cause it puts more pressure on people and makes my reads clear. Scare is my top Town read and the difference between scum/town Scare feels like night and day so I'm very sure on that one. Activity levels, how much he's created discussion, etc. I still feel moderately confident on HB as town as well, though to a lesser extent when compared to before. Unlike just about everyone else, apparently, I think Reg is town. The only person I feel is town on his lynch is HB and Reg's been active and attempting to scumhunt more than just about every other player. IGCD is also a town lean for his start to the game but that's mostly gut.

Scum... Not so many. Ed's a pretty big scumread still but there's nobody else I'm confident enough to call scum yet. Will probably start paying more attention for the last few hours since I should be available from now til about deadline.

So this explains your read on...

Scare
HB (Kind of)
Reg

But if I'm not mistaken, you also mentioned you felt the following were town.

Red
Neab
And Plum, if Ed flips scum.

Did any of these change or...?

Hint isnt accurate even for the "kinda explains".
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And as a fellow european I commend sheep for still being here at all.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Actually...

Sheep007 posted...

As someone else has mentioned a bit further down, I always rather to come across as confident. It's cause it puts more pressure on people and makes my reads clear. Scare is my top Town read and the difference between scum/town Scare feels like night and day so I'm very sure on that one. Activity levels, how much he's created discussion, etc. I still feel moderately confident on HB as town as well, though to a lesser extent when compared to before. Unlike just about everyone else, apparently, I think Reg is town. The only person I feel is town on his lynch is HB and Reg's been active and attempting to scumhunt more than just about every other player. IGCD is also a town lean for his start to the game but that's mostly gut.

Scum... Not so many. Ed's a pretty big scumread still but there's nobody else I'm confident enough to call scum yet. Will probably start paying more attention for the last few hours since I should be available from now til about deadline.

So this explains your read on...

Scare
HB (Kind of)
Reg

But if I'm not mistaken, you also mentioned you felt the following were town.

Red
Neab
And Plum, if Ed flips scum.

Did any of these change or...?

I'm less sure on Plum now considering he jumped off Ed and onto Reg. Still think Red is town, and Neab I've also explained earlier on.
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Also bonus:

htaeD posted...

Reg, Terra gave a second explanation about that whole thing

Furthermore, if it wasn't clear, if eaed is indeed town, you avoiding him for a random inactive vote works against your case further since scum wouldn't want to link themselves to a growing mislynch when it was already gaining enough traction as is.

Though thats not what at all what I got from his initial vote post.

Same, which is why I said he was trying to walk it back when he realized his original logic was crap.

People I think are scumrl

Reg, ed, battle maybe, neab, sheep, corrik, maybe red

I'm wrong on something or there is a ton of bussing going on

But I feel safe to say at least 3 scum in there
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htaeD posted...

And as a fellow european I commend sheep for still being here at all.

Nobody cares what you have to say death.
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ScareChan posted...

People I think are scumrl

Reg, ed, battle maybe, neab, sheep, corrik, maybe red

I'm wrong on something or there is a ton of bussing going on

But I feel safe to say at least 3 scum in there

You should probably quit playing mafia if you are town. Lol
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htaeD posted...

I will confess something about a past game
When sheep was town, his confident townreads annoyed the hell out of scum me. So its a good way to get reactions.

I feel vindicated, thanks.
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Going to get my comp mobile is being problen
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htaeD posted...

The contradiction is that in the first post it sounded like you were saying scumReg would never pass up the chance to go after Eaed who already looked bad.
But somehow him not going after Eaed made him scummier..

That is not what I was saying. Like holy shit man, I can only repeat myself so many times before it just gets annoying as hell. I LITERALLY explained this multiple times already. I ruled out a scumteam consisting of of SCUM REG + SCUM EAED with that line of thought. Never was the implication that either of you couldn't be scum. Hopefully for the fourth freaking time it's been said it finally gets through.
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Wait, red?
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Reg, you should claim.
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Wait, I just realized my last post of Terra quotes got lost in topic 2 because I have too many tabs open for this game lmao

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77311602/914355876

Reg posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

htaeD posted...

ScareChan posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

You know what? I trust Han. Im totally willing to go for Reg today and eaed tomorrow.

##Unvote
##Vote: Reg

Not thrilled with timing of this vote, but he did show progression

And after last game I can feel him finding confidence in han and be open to following him. Maybe as both alighment though. Depends who is the main head in the scum team. If corrik is top dog he is usually a bit more hands off irrc

HB claimed to be willing to follow others easily last game though.
He is starting to worry me. But I cant deny his logic holds up.

I get where you're coming from but my only concern there is would he be so blatantly open about it after being scum literally just last game? Seems like a pretty obvious flaw in his scum play that he'd be wary of if there was a next time. I think he even mentioned as much in the endgame.

Terra-enforcer posted...

Reg posted...

oh hey

Neab showed up

##Unvote
##Vote: Neab

Let's have a quick, friendly chat, shall we? =)

What do you honestly think such a random vote supposed to do like two hours before EoD? It's like you're not even trying to make it look like an efficient effort to scum hunt.

You are wasting a lot of votes that may not come back in time on you if your claim is worthy. Stop being proud and claim.
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Corrik posted...

htaeD posted...

And as a fellow european I commend sheep for still being here at all.

Nobody cares what you have to say death.

Nobody cares about you either apparently, mister rude.
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Reg posted...

Also bonus:

htaeD posted...

Reg, Terra gave a second explanation about that whole thing

Furthermore, if it wasn't clear, if eaed is indeed town, you avoiding him for a random inactive vote works against your case further since scum wouldn't want to link themselves to a growing mislynch when it was already gaining enough traction as is.

Though thats not what at all what I got from his initial vote post.

Same, which is why I said he was trying to walk it back when he realized his original logic was crap.

It's not my logic that is crap, it's you're weird reading that's crap here.
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If eaed and Reg are both Scum, who is trying to win points based on pushing eaed over Reg?
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Han you never answered me why Reg > eaed in scumminess.
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