Board 8 > Persona 5 Mafia Topic 3 - The Museum of Vanity

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ScareChan posted...

Corrik posted...

Anyways we aren't lynching an inactive. I suggest you all lynch Sheep now. Thank you.

You have no clout. You want to run end of day be here for day. So get in line and vote neab

No one is lynching who you say. Very strong suspicion the only reason you aren't inactive as scum this game is because I said I was gonna dunk on you and you have something to prove. Time will tell. You earned yourself another day. Not the balls to dictate what town does.
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Hbthebattle posted...

...Sheep, other than Death and Ed, are all your scum reads just inactives?

Death isn't a scumread. Most of those are neutral or fairly close to it. Hard to townread someone when they don't have a lot of posts which are alignment indicative.
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Neablis posted...

I almost feel like playing chicken here just to spite you

This is not a town mentality. Especially from a player who acknowledged previously that it was bad.

ScareChan posted...

Johnbobb posted...

ok so thoughts as I read the topic

still really don't like eaadead and still like han. This felt like the ideal direction to go last night and that hasn't really changed

scare seems to be making a constant and consistent effort. not sure if that makes him town or just maximum effort scum, but I feel good about him

the push on reg seems scummy. Like people are trying to focus a mislynch. I feel like several people on there are probably scum

plum looks bad, his worst post probably being

masterplum posted...

Eh, screw it sure
##unvote
##vote:Reg

CHOO CHOO

him and Terra jumping on it make them both look crappy, to the point where I'm surprised Han didn't get cautious and back out

then again we ALSO have Ben and HB jumping from popular lynch to popular lynch. There's a lot of following going on and I don't like it at all

MZero's like only post was to jump in, vote me, and jump out. the fuck?

Shad hasn't done a ton but I've liked everthing from him so far

same with DYL

useless day 1 corrik is a pretty null tell imo

red I don't know what to make of

for the most point it's Reg/Han/Scare carrying this game

I feel scumbob town passes me, so being Scare'd is a town bob point

Scare is hard town for the way he's been approaching reads. This one is pretty dumb, but it tells me Scare is town
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Neablis posted...

Reg posted...

Neablis posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

But what Reg doing right now isn't even scum hunting. It's voting and dashing which amounts to nothing. If you want a vote someone you commit to it. Especially if it's such a low profile player with so little info to gather from. When deadline is this close time is of the essence, and weak pressure isn't going to take you very far, especially when the player can easily just hide behind one of the head lynches.

I feel like Reg has committed to it, though. He's been asking questions and looking for answers, and he's currently the top lynch by some margin. There's better targets out there if he's scum looking for an alternative lynch.

This isnt right though sheep,

What scum hunting questions is actually being discussed. Hes asking leading questions that do not make people scum?

What question has he asked me points to what you are saying?

Reads and content.

Provide them or so help me, I will end you.

I almost feel like playing chicken here just to spite you, however if you would allow the exchange I am attempting to have with sheep continue...

I think I answered your question in post #39. I don't see why having a discussion with me should mean you can't also have one with Reg.
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Ok yeah Sheep is def Scum.

This attitude is way too rude to be Town Sheep.

Sheep007 posted...

Johnbobb posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Reg/MZrro/Sheep/Scare scumteam?

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Book of Confirmed Scum
Eaed

Thanks, John. I was kinda wondering if anyone else was going to bring up the fact that Han said he would probably go back to Ed and that he seems to have completely forgotten about him now.

This is way too aggressive of a defense. Sheep is mad I fingered him. No reason to get this ready in arms about a simple placement on a list.

Which means Scare is likely Scum with Reg and Sheep.
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Sheep007 posted...

The question thing is actually fair, I'll admit I was looking less into what he was saying than the fact he was trying to get people to vote Neab and actually tried to initiate discussion, which is still always positive (although perhaps less than I thought).

So were you just not reading our exchanges and decided I was the better lynch over reg? (I know you had me as a town lean).

And now that you are saying the questions were not necessarily helpful, what was so positive about trying to push the game into someone you think is possibly town? Doesnt that generally make you go wait that's not right?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

As soon as I mention Sheep possibly being Scum, he goes on attack mode instantly.

Scare has been acting in a way I really don't like. That set me to think of him working on things as if he is Scum playing set-up... ends up with Sheep being on that list.

I should just stop posting and let Han talk for me the rest of the game.
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If we want to go the inactive route, and admittedly this choice is somewhat arbitrary, my brain chooses terra.

Corrik, could you please please PLEASE make meaningful posts? Aren't you supposed to be one of the best players?
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htaeD posted...

Corrik posted...

Anyways we aren't lynching an inactive. I suggest you all lynch Sheep now. Thank you.

Not when you're not even willing to fake a daycop scan for us
<.<

Literal scum post
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Leafeon13N posted...

If we want to go the inactive route, and admittedly this choice is somewhat arbitrary, my brain chooses terra.

Terra's 'activity' over the past couple hours consists entirely of taking shots at me for trying to probe into and figure out Neab while providing literally nothing himself. Not the most arbitrary imo.

Reg posted...

I did multiple times earlier. He laid out a lot of crap about why my actions didn't make sense. He tried to back-walk it with "but I think eaed is town", but that still defeats the whole purpose of any of that logic, because that makes the whole thing totally invalid.

I'm not sure I understand this. In your own words rephrase is argument(s) and explain how that defeats the purpose of his own logic and why that makes it invalid.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ok yeah Sheep is def Scum.

This attitude is way too rude to be Town Sheep.

Sheep007 posted...

Johnbobb posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Reg/MZrro/Sheep/Scare scumteam?

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Book of Confirmed Scum
Eaed

Thanks, John. I was kinda wondering if anyone else was going to bring up the fact that Han said he would probably go back to Ed and that he seems to have completely forgotten about him now.

This is way too aggressive of a defense. Sheep is mad I fingered him. No reason to get this ready in arms about a simple placement on a list.

Which means Scare is likely Scum with Reg and Sheep.

Han... you've never seen me as scum. I am, believe it or not, capable of being rude as town.

Neablis posted...

Sheep007 posted...

The question thing is actually fair, I'll admit I was looking less into what he was saying than the fact he was trying to get people to vote Neab and actually tried to initiate discussion, which is still always positive (although perhaps less than I thought).

So were you just not reading our exchanges and decided I was the better lynch over reg? (I know you had me as a town lean).

And now that you are saying the questions were not necessarily helpful, what was so positive about trying to push the game into someone you think is possibly town? Doesnt that generally make you go wait that's not right?

No, I wanted more from you. I wouldn't vote you unless it was a two way lynch between you and someone I was more sure on being town. Reg hasn't played with you before and so having a scumread on someone who I only gut townread because of past games isn't a red flag for me.
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Still looking back. I do think half the votes on Reg are pretty bad.
I can even see Regs counter argument towards Terra.. Half of it. It does sound like he was piling on arguments to call Reg scum even though two of them were contradictory. And Terra's explanation of this was just a 'if you dont get it, dont even try'

Also I dont find sheep to be rude up there.
If anything, Ben is periodically far ruder than I remember his townself being.
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Reg posted...

Wouldn't be surprised if one of Ben/Terra/Ash were with those votes. I don't particularly trust Han either, but he'll resolve himself after a few days and I've seen less to make me think he's actually scum than the bandwagoners.

What is each of their reasoning then? You said multiple scum for multiple reasons. How does their reasoning differ?
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Important point:

I spent all of this day saying both Reg and Eaed are Scum.

Neither has outright said they accuse me. And both have acted as though they believe I'm Town (especially eaed, who said "I want you to see how wrong you are")

Town usually think people are suspicious of them for pushing them... after all, they're Town, why would someone push them?

But Reg and Eaed have entirely put weak suspicion towards me using other people (which red is facilitating) like crazy.

Not sure if only one of Eaed or Reg is Scum, but if I had to make a list right now...

Scum
Reg
Eaed
Sheep

Probably Scum
Scare

Chance of being Scum because he hasnt said anything I've really agreed with all game and is helping my scumspects to look better
Red

Odds make me really hesitant to say both Red and Scare are Scum, but him saying "one of you and Scare has to be scum" SCREAMS of red being a scumbuddy with Scare.
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To be honest I have thought sheep scum for a while since corrik said to shoot him but I just dont want to listen to corrik at end of day when he had done nothing today
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Random note.

I am also okay with DYL for now.
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I really dont like Reg being so "Han will resolve later" either.

Why be so hands off? It's so scummy.

htaeD posted...

Still looking back. I do think half the votes on Reg are pretty bad.
I can even see Regs counter argument towards Terra.. Half of it. It does sound like he was piling on arguments to call Reg scum even though two of them were contradictory. And Terra's explanation of this was just a 'if you dont get it, dont even try'

Also I dont find sheep to be rude up there.
If anything, Ben is periodically far ruder than I remember his townself being.

Hes not rude so much as aggressive. And it doesn't match with what I expect from him.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Odds make me really hesitant to say both Red and Scare are Scum, but him saying "one of you and Scare has to be scum" SCREAMS of red being a scumbuddy with Scare.

I dont tie people together that close as scum, you should know this. People dug into my posts last game and they came out with a whole lot of wrong.

Red, what do you think of my thoughts on Reg/Sheep/Scare?
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Corrik posted...

I should just stop posting and let Han talk for me the rest of the game.

There is an above normal chance you two are scum together.

Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik, could you please please PLEASE make meaningful posts? Aren't you supposed to be one of the best players?

What is this post
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Important point:

I spent all of this day saying both Reg and Eaed are Scum.

Neither has outright said they accuse me. And both have acted as though they believe I'm Town (especially eaed, who said "I want you to see how wrong you are")

Town usually think people are suspicious of them for pushing them... after all, they're Town, why would someone push them?

But Reg and Eaed have entirely put weak suspicion towards me using other people (which red is facilitating) like crazy.

Not sure if only one of Eaed or Reg is Scum, but if I had to make a list right now...

Scum
Reg
Eaed
Sheep

Probably Scum
Scare

Chance of being Scum because he hasnt said anything I've really agreed with all game and is helping my scumspects to look better
Red

Odds make me really hesitant to say both Red and Scare are Scum, but him saying "one of you and Scare has to be scum" SCREAMS of red being a scumbuddy with Scare.

Red and scare dunked you last game

I have town read you most of the game

Red I'm unsure of because I dont think that sleeping thing is very townie but we will see
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Han I reaallly think Scare is town. And we have an eternal mason buddy connection
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Then who do you really want to lynch sheep? If not reg def and me probably not who?

Shaduln posted...

Shaduln posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

After HB's last game, it seems weird to me that Scare, who was his Scummate, is calling him Scum here. And it seems odd that Scare is using his position as vocal player to say that Reg will not be lynched.

I really dont like this play from Scare.

So is the desire to lynch Reg over eaed based on Scare's play instead of eaed/Reg's play?

Han could you still answer this please.

I have expressed no desire to lynch Reg over eaed.
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I've been mildly suspicious of Red myself but he has shot down a few of reg's attacks on me, which someone scumteaming with him wouldnt do. So he's mostly null for now.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Corrik posted...

I should just stop posting and let Han talk for me the rest of the game.

There is an above normal chance you two are scum together.

There is a 100% chance you are wrong. Stick to your day job.
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But I otherwise agree with your reads for the most part han

You challenged me about battle but go back and read why I suspected him and the argument I made. Also he just needs to be pressured, he was not pressure all of last game so it's a good litmus test
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Reg posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

It's voting and dashing which amounts to nothing.

Holy shit could you possibly be lying through your teeth any harder?

I'm here. I'm talking to the guy and trying to get him to provide things the game can use to read him. It's like pulling fucking teeth (Which is itself useful information), but I'm at least fucking trying. Unlike you, who's sitting around, doing jack shit besides taking pot shots at me.

I've done more than that. If you want to ignore it then I couldn't give a damn. I called out sheep a few times, put in my two cents on who I think is a town lean versus scum lean, and I've noted connections such as with eaed and yourself. I'm not going to act like I've been driving the game, but you shouldn't be either. Your initial poke was weak is what I was referring to.

What you did at the time of my post amounted to "you gonna play or not" which isn't what I would call putting in work by any means. Like I said, just comes across as an excuse for an out. Hence the vote and dash.
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Corrik posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik, could you please please PLEASE make meaningful posts? Aren't you supposed to be one of the best players?

What is this post

What is this post?
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Scare you need to stop being proud of your scum history, if you are town
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In cashing in my points here

I want to be the chris

Ben, igcd, join me in neab please
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Scare just said hey I think sheep is scum too but I won't vote who I think is scum because I am too egotistical to do it because someone else said to do it.

That sounds like a town statement to me.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Reg posted...

I did multiple times earlier. He laid out a lot of crap about why my actions didn't make sense. He tried to back-walk it with "but I think eaed is town", but that still defeats the whole purpose of any of that logic, because that makes the whole thing totally invalid.

I'm not sure I understand this. In your own words rephrase is argument(s) and explain how that defeats the purpose of his own logic and why that makes it invalid.

"If Reg were scum, he would've taken the easier out and tried to bus eaed. The fact that he didn't makes no sense."

This is obviously self-defeating if eaed is supposed to be scum. It's an admission that my play makes no sense for me to be scum. And it's literally meaningless if eaed is supposed to be town. There's literally no argument there for that case.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Reg posted...

Wouldn't be surprised if one of Ben/Terra/Ash were with those votes. I don't particularly trust Han either, but he'll resolve himself after a few days and I've seen less to make me think he's actually scum than the bandwagoners.

What is each of their reasoning then? You said multiple scum for multiple reasons. How does their reasoning differ?

Terra's "reasoning" (or at least what he attempted to pass for it) was obviously different from everything else flying around, and the dude seems to be going out of his way to paint himself as scum over the past hour or two especially. He may currently be my #1 pick for scum of the guys on me with the way he has been trying to discredit my attempt to investigate Neab. That was just really, really scummy.

Ash's primary point seems to be my 'defensiveness', which I really don't even know what to say to because it's pretty clearly nonsense imo.

Ben's "page 1 gut", and frankly I'm not even sure what the rest of his reasoning is anymore.

htaeD posted...

Scare you need to stop being proud of your scum history, if you are town

In proud of all my wins and some of my losses. My wins recently were scum
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Reg posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

If we want to go the inactive route, and admittedly this choice is somewhat arbitrary, my brain chooses terra.

Terra's 'activity' over the past couple hours consists entirely of taking shots at me for trying to probe into and figure out Neab while providing literally nothing himself. Not the most arbitrary imo.

If you actually bothered reading my posts, you're the one lying through your teeth here. Once again only seeing what you want to see.
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ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Important point:

I spent all of this day saying both Reg and Eaed are Scum.

Neither has outright said they accuse me. And both have acted as though they believe I'm Town (especially eaed, who said "I want you to see how wrong you are")

Town usually think people are suspicious of them for pushing them... after all, they're Town, why would someone push them?

But Reg and Eaed have entirely put weak suspicion towards me using other people (which red is facilitating) like crazy.

Not sure if only one of Eaed or Reg is Scum, but if I had to make a list right now...

Scum
Reg
Eaed
Sheep

Probably Scum
Scare

Chance of being Scum because he hasnt said anything I've really agreed with all game and is helping my scumspects to look better
Red

Odds make me really hesitant to say both Red and Scare are Scum, but him saying "one of you and Scare has to be scum" SCREAMS of red being a scumbuddy with Scare.

Red and scare dunked you last game

I have town read you most of the game

Red I'm unsure of because I dont think that sleeping thing is very townie but we will see

Red didnt do shit last game.

I will say, red being so in opposition to me this game is really weird and definitely influencing my read on him.

benjamin3740 posted...

Han I reaallly think Scare is town. And we have an eternal mason buddy connection

I really dont like what hes been doing.
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Hbthebattle posted...

I've been mildly suspicious of Red myself but he has shot down a few of reg's attacks on me, which someone scumteaming with him wouldnt do. So he's mostly null for now.

Join me and redeem yourself
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Hbthebattle posted...

DYL, you didn't say much yourself. What are your reads on this whole situation?

I have some notes, but they're pretty minimum for day 1.

I have mixed feelings when it comes to Reg. On the one hand, Han's argument makes sense. I've certainly caught scum in the past for calling out behavior view as overly hostile(In fact the last game I played with Han, I was calling him out myself for his reaction A shame I couldn't seal the deal on that one, but he literally fakeclaimed cop and wasn't cc'd.).

On the other hand, I totally get Reg's frustration over the 4 page shitpost(1 page, fine. 4?), and if I believed I was being voted for a silly reason, I'd probably not pay the accuser any mind either. ...But ultimately that still isn't pro-town and would be an action based off ego instead.

I'd like Neab to speak up so I can get a better read on him. He's kind of just been there.

Scare/Red/Han are my strongest town reads. They've been pretty engaging, giving their thoughts, and aggressive.

eaed and Sheep are my strongest scum reads, though. With a few people(IGCD included) on the weaker end. My issue with day 1s is that I find the slightest thing scummy so I have like 8+ "Scum reads" that obviously can't all be right.

There are some people I'm just not good at reading on day 1. Corrik, for example, is something I typically don't get a good read on until day 3 by which point I typically get a more solid read.

There's also several inactives that are pissing me off because it just makes it easy for scum to slink on by.
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@htaeD posted...

Still looking back. I do think half the votes on Reg are pretty bad.
I can even see Regs counter argument towards Terra.. Half of it. It does sound like he was piling on arguments to call Reg scum even though two of them were contradictory. And Terra's explanation of this was just a 'if you dont get it, dont even try'

Also I dont find sheep to be rude up there.
If anything, Ben is periodically far ruder than I remember his townself being.

What of it was in any way contradictory. I'm curious to see if you truly believe that or you're just bouncing off of what Reg already said. And never did I say what you quoted of me, so I have no idea where that's even coming from.
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Corrik posted...

Scare just said hey I think sheep is scum too but I won't vote who I think is scum because I am too egotistical to do it because someone else said to do it.

That sounds like a town statement to me.

You have killed me as town basically back to back games . Your measuring stick to read me is broken

Besides I am very atypical this game, I an playing unlike i have before and trying to be a power player. I usually play second fiddle, I'm lead singer today
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Neablis posted...

Then who do you really want to lynch sheep? If not reg def and me probably not who?

Ed would probably my top choice. There's a lot of people I'd be okayish with lynching (basically everyone I put in my not-townread list except Corrik, Death and Ben) but none I particularly want to push for. Probably a good time to lay down a vote if Ed is going to get a solid wagon on him.

##Vote: Ed

Hey, Han, I remembered again and you didn't answer earlier. Why is Ed no longer even on your radar?
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Hbthebattle posted...

I've been mildly suspicious of Red myself but he has shot down a few of reg's attacks on me, which someone scumteaming with him wouldnt do. So he's mostly null for now.

"If someone defends me it makes my read of them as scum go away"

This post happened.

Some deep level mafia going on this game!
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Votals, as of #96
Reg [6] - (IGCD), Han, plum, Terra, Ashe, ben, Hb
eaed [2] - (Han), Neablis, (IGCD), (ben), (Scare), (Hb), Sheep
Hb [2] - (Scare), (Reg), eaed, Johnbobb
IGCD [2] - red, (Reg), (ben), DYL
Neablis [2] - Reg, Scare
Johnbobb [1] - MZero
Sheep [1] - Corrik
Ben [0] - (Reg)
Corrik [0] - (plum), (Scare)
Death [0] - (plum)
MZero [0] - (Scare), (Reg)
Scare [0] - (Corrik), (eaed)

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch. Day ends at 8:00 PM EST on Tuesday, December 18th, approximately one hour from now.
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ScareChan posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I've been mildly suspicious of Red myself but he has shot down a few of reg's attacks on me, which someone scumteaming with him wouldnt do. So he's mostly null for now.

Join me and redeem yourself

Sorry, scare, but you are not powerful enough to be able create a lynch out of nowhere on an (mostly) inactive. We're 55 minutes away from the end. I don't want another jedi this game.
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Reg, Terra gave a second explanation about that whole thing

Furthermore, if it wasn't clear, if eaed is indeed town, you avoiding him for a random inactive vote works against your case further since scum wouldn't want to link themselves to a growing mislynch when it was already gaining enough traction as is.

Though thats not what at all what I got from his initial vote post.
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Corrik posted...

Scare just said hey I think sheep is scum too but I won't vote who I think is scum because I am too egotistical to do it because someone else said to do it.

That sounds like a town statement to me.

You're not being sarcastic, right?
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