Board 8 > Persona 5 Mafia Topic 2 - The Castle of Lust

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benjamin3740 posted...

The only thing that gives me pause in Ed's defense is that he keeps stressing that he can't wait till Han is proven wrong by his flip. That seems like kind of genuine annoyance with Han. I really don't get any town motivation from anything Corrik has said so far. And Reg I would happily kill as I have gotten scum vibes from him since page 1. Though I see a lot of people are saying they suspect him too, and I don't feel very original anymore.

##Unvote

##Vote: Reg

The large amount of people calling Reg suspicious almost threw me off and made me NOT vote him, but he remains my top scum read regardless, so I did. The vote very much comes from within me.
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Corrik posted...

Sheep007 posted...

There's some contradictory logic here. You say I'm one of the best scum players in this game yet am not actually looking like scumhunting so think I'm scum. Never knew you had such low standards for calling someone a good player.

Trying to gain town allies as scum is good play. Look how many of those you called town even have a whiff of scum from you. Wonder why.

I haven't really been keeping track but the only person to call me scum so far iirc is you
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Sheep007 posted...

My first post is normally a good 12-16 hours after game start due to timezones. That's normally enough for a read especially if someone is being particularly blatant. I called both Ben and Scare obvious Town in my first post the game they claimed masons.

Glad you acknowledged your first post was during the time frame of the joke post phase yet you ascertained town alignments on many people you don't have an extensive play history so easily.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

ScareChan posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I dont understand the issue with the whole claim thing. His claim had a legitimate mistake. Why is that grounds to go after me?

There is something unique to your relationship with ed due to last game and I am curious as why neither of you mentioned it

Omfg I just realized how much of a fucking nothing burger this line of questioning is.

I outlined this through several posts, and it was more about ed . Ed says he didnt follow his own game
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There is a reason I immediately voted sheep after his first post and if vig woulda skokec him right there.
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Smoked*
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Red I want thoughts on all players from you
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ScareChan posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

ScareChan posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I dont understand the issue with the whole claim thing. His claim had a legitimate mistake. Why is that grounds to go after me?

There is something unique to your relationship with ed due to last game and I am curious as why neither of you mentioned it

Omfg I just realized how much of a fucking nothing burger this line of questioning is.

I outlined this through several posts, and it was more about ed . Ed says he didnt follow his own game

I thought this was obvious when i tried to ask for a couple things on the scumboard and got no reply.

debating between replacing out and waiting out this illness.

Because I sure as hell do not have the concentration to mafia right now.

People said that I didnt like Han then I voted with him.

Yea that happened
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Did Reg claim?
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Just went back to see who I put in that post. I've played enough with God, I'd say, while Scare is one of the better players who I think I can consistently read. Is having two town reads on players I don't know that well (Red and Neab) "many"?
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ScareChan posted...

Red I want thoughts on all players from you

This is way too broad to give you a response right now I'm wandering around the beach atm.

Reg did not claim
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masterplum posted...

debating between replacing out and waiting out this illness.

Because I sure as hell do not have the concentration to mafia right now.

Hang in there you'll be fine. Besides thaf its like 7 hours or however long til you get a 24 hour mental break.

Leafeon13N posted...

ScareChan posted...

Red I want thoughts on all players from you

This is way too broad to give you a response right now I'm wandering around the beach atm.

before end of day I want content from you on every person in the game with a lean
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yeah plum you are unlikely to be lynched right now, butif sicktomorrow and cant then replace then
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Han, wanna go to Chicago with me? You drive. I'll get tickets. UNC Kentucky. Osu UCLA. Surely ur a big osu fan.
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Oh day ends in like 4 hours?

Ok in that case scare i really cant guarantee you such a post.

Han, you mentioned you a scum read on Terra right? I believe you explained Reg and eaed but didn't really go into him outside of "gut", unless I skimmed over something?
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Reg posted...

That said, Ben either didn't read them, was dumb enough to fall for it, or was scum using it to justify his own vote, so I did have to tear your shit apart.

Can you explain why?
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Reg posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

YOU are the one who didn't even respond to all my points against you which I guess means you concede to those faults.

Your points are literally contradictory and self-defeating. I don't need to defend myself from that crap.

This was the post I meant to quote with, "Can you explain why?"
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So, I had a plan but sickness is making it hard to execute.

The idea was that I wanted to see what Han would actually do with Chris like power. Based on how he handled that I thought would be a good clue to his alignment.

But the maneuvering required to pull this off is not happening right now. Im kind of null on him at this point. Good players are good at not being obvious scum.

Reg lynch should be enlightening going forward. Im cool with it, l dont like how people jumped on the train with no real explanation but new people training is a null tell.
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The only vaguely new person on the Reg train is HB, Plum, though I don't know how much Terra has played recently.
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Reg should claim
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Reg posted...

(Spoilers, I ask you to do that because I think it's pretty clear that scum's pushing my lynch from various angles, and I'd like to make that fact clear to the game. And since you won't be able to support Terra's piss poor excuse for reasoning there, it'll just make it more clear to anybody actually reading)

This assumes multiple scum with different reasons who are they?
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OK, as promised, been working on catching up. Finished topic 1, have to take a break to get some actual work done at work, but here are thoughts on everyone.

1. Ashethan - Tries to take some pressure off of eaed right away. And not much else? Connects himself to eaed, could be scum if eaed ends up being scum.
2. benjamin3740 - at least early seems to be trying to generate content. Follows red onto IGCD, which I still wasn't sure why anyone was voting him at the time. Overall seems to be at very least in the game and no big red flags imo.
3. Corrik - Completely drained. Don't know how to read him right now. Agreed with my read of plum having fake content.
4. Dark Young Link - Joke dayvig should be a modkill imo. Also vote on IGCD seems lazy. Did he ever come back after that?
5. eaedwards6400 - "I'm going to try and be aggressive this time." (post 160) Why do you need to call this out? Looks like a scum play. Doubles down on saying Scare wasn't doing anything for the first four pages, which really? I don't think I need to rehash everything else on eaed. Gone from now until the end of the day I guess.
6. garetha200 - says he'll be back after studying. Yeah, about that?
7. HanOfTheNekos - Excellent analysis on eaed, I like his thoughts on Terra (though unsure if he's right here). Seems like Town Han to me.
8. Hbthebattle - Don't like that he came in after some actual discussion and just continued the joke posting instead. After rereading the Reg and Scare discussion on him and my initial dislike, not really feeling Hb as town.
9. htaeD - I got nothing I lied.
10. IfGodCouldDie - An active IGCD that created some good reactions if nothing else. Actually stops screwing around too, which is good. Fine for now.
11. Johnbobb - I know that JB hates D1 a lot. I don't expect a lot from him D1. Seems like he's been at least trying to contribute when he's around.
12. masterplum - "lucky I checked this board", votes Corrik which is expected. Very weird shift to death while he's still catching up. Feels like previous scum plums where he just kind of coasts along, giving a few reads and shifts votes to make it look like he's doing something. Saying that Corrik "is trying to act like town Corrik" doesn't feel honest, as this is not even close to typical town Corrik. I'm thinking plum is scum, though I know he's going to be a little bit off by seeing he's sick. Feel better bud.
13. MZero11 - Complaining about fluff on page 1, knows better. Disappears and doesn't come back. MZero is likely scum.
14. Neablis - I don't think he had said anything negative about eaed until the claim? And his negative reaction was the flavor claim. Eh.
15. red13n - Unsure of why red wants to lynch IGCD. However...far more active red than I feel like I'm used to seeing. His interactions with Scare seemed good. red is probably town.
16. Reg - Post 60 dislike. Appealing to emotion ("people are complaining that I signed up to play" when no one had, post 156). I also don't like his instance to yell at everyone for not doing anything, but that's probably more a personal gripe than anything else.
17. ScareChan - Interactions feel legit, attempting to fill town leader spot. Makes a good catch of Neablis's one post and disappear. If nothing else, he hasn't tripped any alarms that would make me want to vote him today.
18. Shaduln - Hi.
19. Sheep007 - Calls a lot of people town right out of the gate. Which would be a very weird scum tactic as it limits your lynches for D1. Calls HB town too. Limits himself to an eaed lynch early, we'll see if he sticks to it.
20. Terra-enforcer - I don't have anything to add on him.

At the end of topic 1 my main lynches would be eaed and plum. I'll have more thoughts soon.

Unfortunately I thought day ended at 8 PM pacific instead of eastern, but I will still be here.
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Shad you just called every big player in the game town.

Speaking of town leader spot

we are not lynching reg today and if you end on him today it will not end well for you
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Some interesting thoughts there, Shad.

What made you feel like Johnbobb was particularly contributing? To me it seemed like he was intentionally doing nothing despite there actually being a fair bit to talk about for a D1 without a ton of posts. Are you leaning town on him or neutral? There's not a lot of stuff saying about your thoughts on alignments for that type of list (I count Scare, Red, Plum, Han, HB and MZero, plus sort of Ed). Feels kinda like forced content when concentrated thoughts on just those half dozen or so players would have been better.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Shad you just called every big player in the game town.

He didn't call Corrik Town, for what it's worth!
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Leafeon13N posted...

Shad you just called every big player in the game town.

Big equaling you, Scare, and Han? That's 3 people. Those are my reads.

Plus you said earlier that Corrik counts as big, and I am sure not calling him town.
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Also maybe it's unfair to say there weren't many reads in there

But when you're posting about the entire game and then saying nothing on a solid portion of them it's not particularly helpful.
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Additionally MZero has done this or something similar in every game I've seen him in the past 4-5 months so I'm not sure that's any kind of tell at all.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Reg posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

YOU are the one who didn't even respond to all my points against you which I guess means you concede to those faults.

Your points are literally contradictory and self-defeating. I don't need to defend myself from that crap.

This was the post I meant to quote with, "Can you explain why?"

I did multiple times earlier. He laid out a lot of crap about why my actions didn't make sense. He tried to back-walk it with "but I think eaed is town", but that still defeats the whole purpose of any of that logic, because that makes the whole thing totally invalid.

masterplum posted...

l dont like how people jumped on the train with no real explanation but new people training is a null tell.

This is trash, especially with somebody else pointing out the lack of new people on me. Town should know better than to mindlessly wagon a guy, but scum wants to because it's an easy mislynch.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Reg posted...

(Spoilers, I ask you to do that because I think it's pretty clear that scum's pushing my lynch from various angles, and I'd like to make that fact clear to the game. And since you won't be able to support Terra's piss poor excuse for reasoning there, it'll just make it more clear to anybody actually reading)

This assumes multiple scum with different reasons who are they?

Wouldn't be surprised if one of Ben/Terra/Ash were with those votes. I don't particularly trust Han either, but he'll resolve himself after a few days and I've seen less to make me think he's actually scum than the bandwagoners.

And also, as I've said, I'd be super fucking wary of everybody who has said they don't like me but hasn't voted me. I can go back and find those, though I don't have their names noted down offhand. But that's the angle I'm most concerned about aside from the blatant wagon votes, because that lets scum get their mislynch while still staying clean from a votals perspective.

And I know that if I get lynched here you yahoos are going to get a few days down the line and look at the votals and not the people supporting it without voting when looking for scum.

Who said they liked you but didn't vote you? I would really love to see, because I CtrlF'd your name and only this post from Scare popped up to me
ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I mean it didn't actually go well for Chris because nobody wanted to follow up on Jedi voters
So I would suggest not starting 3 vote trains, especially if one is on someone who has done nothing at all

Please, I'm not Chris.

And hey, Scare, I promise I'll look at HB in detail if you join me on Reg here.

I already said reg is probably scum, but giving him day 1 pass because he hasn't player in ages

A courtesy pass if you will

ScareChan posted...

Speaking of town leader spot

we are not lynching reg today and if you end on him today it will not end well for you

So, Scare, are we only not lynching Reg today because he's not played for a while?
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I might not have explained well enough, but between pages 2 and 7 only that post from Scare was throwing shade on Reg as far as I could tell, out of those who hadn't voted him.
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I mean, if you thought someone else was particularly scummy then sure, but keeping your vote on Corrik of all people up til now when you've called Reg "probably scum"?
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Reg is getting the has not played in forever pass, yes

And tomorrow I won't fight his lynch. I may join it. Or he may be cleared. Either way today is not his day
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So looking over it again:
Hb throws crap at me for a very long time throughout the end of topic 1 and this topic before following the wagon onto me. On an actual re-look it's looking like it was mostly just him and Han constantly saying "Reg is scum!" without actually doing anything about it for a long time than a large number of players. Hb starts suspecting me literally as soon as I vote him though. Which is cool.

But I did see a couple players echo the "defensive" line without doing anything about it or going into more detail or anything. Johnbobb and Ash in particular did this in topic 1 ($407 for Johnbobb and #274 for Ash).
Scare(!) said a lot earlier about how he thinks I'm scummy. He's my strongest town read at the moment though so uh <_<

Who is currently your proposed alternative, though? Screw D1 passes, I'd rather play to win.
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hey I'm home

someone catch me up real quick plz
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Reg posted...

Hb starts suspecting me literally as soon as I vote him though. Which is cool.

This means he took something like 20ish hours to actually come around and vote me btw, which only happened as soon as the train on me was actually rolling.

Reg posted...

$407 for Johnbobb

thank you so much :O
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Sheep007 posted...

Who is currently your proposed alternative, though? Screw D1 passes, I'd rather play to win.

Honestly I really want to lynch corrik

I feel there is a case for HB. he did t handle the pressure on him very well.

I feel there is a case for ed. His start to day looked very scummy

I feel neabs posts have been opportunistic and unlike his usual tone.
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Reg posted...

Reg posted...

Hb starts suspecting me literally as soon as I vote him though. Which is cool.

This means he took something like 20ish hours to actually come around and vote me btw, which only happened as soon as the train on me was actually rolling.

He was fairly firm on Ed before that though, iirc. Was he the one who vocalised the fact he was sheeping Han?
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Didnt mean to post that yet but

Theres other options out there . I dont think reg has to be dunked today. Theres like at least 5 other scum out there
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ScareChan posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Who is currently your proposed alternative, though? Screw D1 passes, I'd rather play to win.

Honestly I really want to lynch corrik

I feel there is a case for HB. he did t handle the pressure on him very well.

I feel there is a case for ed. His start to day looked very scummy

I feel neabs posts have been opportunistic and unlike his usual tone.

There definitely isn't enough on Corrik nor enough momentum behind a potential lynch of him for that to happen. I feel like if you really wanted to lynch him that much you'd be trying to make him engage you a little more, as well.

If you had the deciding vote, and it was HB or Ed, right now, which would you pick?
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Anyways this look back on the guys shading me seems to be more of a condemnation of how bloody inactive half the game is. The sheer number of times Han said I'm scum made it feel like the entire fucking game felt that way. But something like 10 players literally just never posted to say anything about it <_<

ScareChan posted...

I feel neabs posts have been opportunistic and unlike his usual tone.

This might be worth investigating btw

I remember not liking something of his earlier but I can't remember a single fucking thing he's done.
Sheep007 posted...

He was fairly firm on Ed before that though, iirc. Was he the one who vocalised the fact he was sheeping Han?

He flipped over to me being scum (without actually backing it up with a vote, and without having said anything at all about me prior iirc) literally as soon as I voted him

Sheep007 posted...

ScareChan posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Who is currently your proposed alternative, though? Screw D1 passes, I'd rather play to win.

Honestly I really want to lynch corrik

I feel there is a case for HB. he did t handle the pressure on him very well.

I feel there is a case for ed. His start to day looked very scummy

I feel neabs posts have been opportunistic and unlike his usual tone.

There definitely isn't enough on Corrik nor enough momentum behind a potential lynch of him for that to happen. I feel like if you really wanted to lynch him that much you'd be trying to make him engage you a little more, as well.

If you had the deciding vote, and it was HB or Ed, right now, which would you pick?

Right now probably ed. I feel like HB is more likely to slip up more the more time you give him. Like I said no one pushed him last game
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I also recall him being very panicked on the scum board when things were looking not favorable at the time

So something to keep in mind
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